I seem to be hearing this a lot. And when I try… I just don’t see it? Playing with a controller was weird, so I went to Mouse. But I seem to move faster, hit less. Im at the point I go back to controller and I am even worse now in general. Somebody explain, is this a setting spec or something. I want to know the Infinite secret!!!
Using a Keyboard and Mouse takes much more skill and is more rewarding to play, but it won’t suddenly make you an MLG pro just from picking it up like a lot of people think/say… It’s as much a misconception as people who tell you to play with a fight stick to get better at fighting games when a Fight Stick requires just as much if not more of a time sink to get good at…
The issue a lot of Controller players I notice do not seem to grasp with Keyboard and Mouse since they are so used to the game tracking the targets for them is that this no longer happens, so not only do you have to get better at movement, using four way digital movement vs 360 degree analog movement, but you are also having to manually adjust your accuracy 100% of the time… and guess what, when you move, suddenly you are noticing it is affecting your accuracy and when you try to lazy aim like before, you’re shooting at the air 70-90% of the time.
Shooting at moving targets while standing still with a mouse if you are completely new to it is hard enough, but imagine doing so while moving yourself… The reason so many people make K&M look so dag gon easy is because of the insane amount of years practicing using an input method that DOES NOT HOLD your hand in the movement or aim department, so muscle memory allows you to better predict and track strafe which is why if you’ve ever seen a quake pro duel before it genuinely looks like they’re aimbotting when they’re perfectly tracking a target, or in Counter Strike when people just snap to people’s heads and just blow em away…
It takes years to get to that point… Controller in Halo Infinite may be a lot harder to properly use due to the toned down aim assist, but it’s still there, which automatically makes it the more casual option. Not a bad thing mind you, but it will not make you better at shooting, because manual aim is a skill too, not just movement…
The point I am trying to make is, in a TLDR… Mouse and Keyboard WILL make you a better FPS player, but only if you’re willing to suffer through a high learning curve…
I dont want to be that guy but it takes way more skill to play on controller especially without aim assist. It wont make you a pro immediately but if you want to be better at a video game switching to PC is the way with practice. I understand people will disagree because they like to feel like they have more skill but lets face it the reason you usually don’t see console players at the top of the leaderboards is because PC is easier and better. Its just statistics and facts I’m not trying to offend anyone. The reason you not doing immediately better is becuz your new not because its harder.
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> I dont want to be that guy but it takes way more skill to play on controller especially without aim assist. It wont make you a pro immediately but if you want to be better at a video game switching to PC is the way with practice. I understand people will disagree because they like to feel like they have more skill but lets face it the reason you usually don’t see console players at the top of the leaderboards is because PC is easier and better. Its just statistics and facts I’m not trying to offend anyone. The reason you not doing immediately better is becuz your new not because its harder.
Controller has a hard skill cap because you only have so many muscles in your thumb. You can only increase your accuracy so much because of this limitation. No matter how much you practice, you will never be able to achieve the same accuracy as you could with a mouse. It’s a physical limitation.
A joystick has the resolution size of about a nickle. While a mouse you typically use a large pad usually 15-20" wide, and some of us use quite a lot of that. That’s a huge difference in resolution.
It’s not that a mouse and keyboard are easier. A lot of us started off on a console and found the transition intimidating. It’s that M&K is the better tool for shooters. I don’t care about your preference. It’s fine if you much rather use a controller and there’s nothing wrong with that.
My vote would be for M&K all day for shooters if you couldn’t already tell. I grew on console and played on that exclusively for like a decade and now have been on PC for about the same amount of time. When I was young I was pretty good with a controller, but at some point I got frustrated that I couldn’t improve. I tried EVERYTHING. Then I switched to PC and it was exactly what I missing. If I had to use a controller to play shooters I’d find something else to do.
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> I dont want to be that guy but it takes way more skill to play on controller especially without aim assist. It wont make you a pro immediately but if you want to be better at a video game switching to PC is the way with practice. I understand people will disagree because they like to feel like they have more skill but lets face it the reason you usually don’t see console players at the top of the leaderboards is because PC is easier and better. Its just statistics and facts I’m not trying to offend anyone. The reason you not doing immediately better is becuz your new not because its harder.
You’re gonna have to explain to me why controller requires more skill because on Controller you’re only really having to master Movement where most FPSs on Console do the majority of the tracking for you and you’re only having to Micro adjust the stick. On Keyboard and Mouse you’re having to master two skills, Movement AND Aiming because you are not being assisted in any way for either, so that’s two skills vs one, mathematically, this already puts it in a much harder and higher skill barrier.
Many people have been posting in threads that complain that the Halo Infinite gunplay on controller feels bad… I’ve played Halo on controller for many years, and the aim assist in Infinite is functional, it’s just not overpowered like it always was and now requires a lot more involved aim while you strafe which is somewhat forcing the controller player into a similar situation as the K&M player, except nowhere near as difficult. This is a VERY good thing, instead of having to adjust your aim 100% of the time like on Mouse, you’re just having to adjust it while you move around 40-60%, nowhere near as much, but is honestly still a lot if you’re a controller veteran of the older Halo Games…
I do feel some of the added randomness to the combat makes it even more frustrating too, but that’s another story, that being said, I strongly suggest you actually play matches on K&M and then do so on Controller, look at your accuracy stats and see how well you perform on average with different weapons, you will see what I am talking about.
No. But technically yes.
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> Using a Keyboard and Mouse takes much more skill and is more rewarding to play, but it won’t suddenly make you an MLG pro just from picking it up like a lot of people think/say… It’s as much a misconception as people who tell you to play with a fight stick to get better at fighting games when a Fight Stick requires just as much if not more of a time sink to get good at…
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> The issue a lot of Controller players I notice do not seem to grasp with Keyboard and Mouse since they are so used to the game tracking the targets for them is that this no longer happens, so not only do you have to get better at movement, using four way digital movement vs 360 degree analog movement, but you are also having to manually adjust your accuracy 100% of the time… and guess what, when you move, suddenly you are noticing it is affecting your accuracy and when you try to lazy aim like before, you’re shooting at the air 70-90% of the time.
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> Shooting at moving targets while standing still with a mouse if you are completely new to it is hard enough, but imagine doing so while moving yourself… The reason so many people make K&M look so dag gon easy is because of the insane amount of years practicing using an input method that DOES NOT HOLD your hand in the movement or aim department, so muscle memory allows you to better predict and track strafe which is why if you’ve ever seen a quake pro duel before it genuinely looks like they’re aimbotting when they’re perfectly tracking a target, or in Counter Strike when people just snap to people’s heads and just blow em away…
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> It takes years to get to that point… Controller in Halo Infinite may be a lot harder to properly use due to the toned down aim assist, but it’s still there, which automatically makes it the more casual option. Not a bad thing mind you, but it will not make you better at shooting, because manual aim is a skill too, not just movement…
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> The point I am trying to make is, in a TLDR… Mouse and Keyboard WILL make you a better FPS player, but only if you’re willing to suffer through a high learning curve…
thanks for the lecture, now how do I get better
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> I seem to be hearing this a lot. And when I try… I just don’t see it? Playing with a controller was weird, so I went to Mouse. But I seem to move faster, hit less. Im at the point I go back to controller and I am even worse now in general. Somebody explain, is this a setting spec or something. I want to know the Infinite secret!!!
Not this again…
Keyboard and mouse has a much higher potential of play. A good keyboard and mouse player will outplay an equally skilled controller player 9 out of 10 times. The quickness of movement and ability to stabilize and aim with an entire arm and hand opposed to a thumb helps. Switching to KB&M won’t make you instantly better, but with practice it’ll give you an edge.
They better turn on input based matchmaking.
Honestly I’ve been using controller specifically my Xbox One Controller because I wanted the experience from using it since halo always has been on Xbox I never owned a Xbox before so I never really got to play Halo Online up to this point and its a lot of fun tbh though I might experiment on launch with both devices I will say this though Keyboard and Mouse are usually more precise I noticed especially in FPS games since u can Adjust your Sensitivity or dpi on the fly And you have better control of a mouse over analog sticks
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> > I seem to be hearing this a lot. And when I try… I just don’t see it? Playing with a controller was weird, so I went to Mouse. But I seem to move faster, hit less. Im at the point I go back to controller and I am even worse now in general. Somebody explain, is this a setting spec or something. I want to know the Infinite secret!!!
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> They better turn on input based matchmaking.
Have 343i confirmed input-based matchmaking?
I hope they have this is as an option. Much like MCC, join the M&K/controller pool if your team is mixed, otherwise, allow players to stay in their preferred group. Unless player population is a problem, there couldn’t be anything wrong with that, right?
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> > > I seem to be hearing this a lot. And when I try… I just don’t see it? Playing with a controller was weird, so I went to Mouse. But I seem to move faster, hit less. Im at the point I go back to controller and I am even worse now in general. Somebody explain, is this a setting spec or something. I want to know the Infinite secret!!!
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> > They better turn on input based matchmaking.
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> Have 343i confirmed input-based matchmaking?
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> I hope they have this is as an option. Much like MCC, join the M&K/controller pool if your team is mixed, otherwise, allow players to stay in their preferred group. Unless player population is a problem, there couldn’t be anything wrong with that, right?
They haven’t confirmed, but I would assume they wouldn’t downgrade from MCC, so I’m assuming it’ll be there.
Both take practise but MKB is both faster to learn (for me at least) and lets you become generally more powerful once you have.
Controller limits you more with slower turning times, loss of aa while sniping etc, and is the generally harder option if playing crossplay.
The AA is intended to make up for the 2cm wide joystick precision with only a thumb VS 2dm wide mouse pad with a whole hand/arm. But currently the aa is lacking.
Lower your sensitivity.
Yes, mouse is better, but with Infinite’s PC performance issues, most serious KBM players will forego Infinite altogether or lose interest quickly in favor of competitive shooters that were presented better.
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> > Using a Keyboard and Mouse takes much more skill and is more rewarding to play, but it won’t suddenly make you an MLG pro just from picking it up like a lot of people think/say… It’s as much a misconception as people who tell you to play with a fight stick to get better at fighting games when a Fight Stick requires just as much if not more of a time sink to get good at…
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> > The issue a lot of Controller players I notice do not seem to grasp with Keyboard and Mouse since they are so used to the game tracking the targets for them is that this no longer happens, so not only do you have to get better at movement, using four way digital movement vs 360 degree analog movement, but you are also having to manually adjust your accuracy 100% of the time… and guess what, when you move, suddenly you are noticing it is affecting your accuracy and when you try to lazy aim like before, you’re shooting at the air 70-90% of the time.
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> > Shooting at moving targets while standing still with a mouse if you are completely new to it is hard enough, but imagine doing so while moving yourself… The reason so many people make K&M look so dag gon easy is because of the insane amount of years practicing using an input method that DOES NOT HOLD your hand in the movement or aim department, so muscle memory allows you to better predict and track strafe which is why if you’ve ever seen a quake pro duel before it genuinely looks like they’re aimbotting when they’re perfectly tracking a target, or in Counter Strike when people just snap to people’s heads and just blow em away…
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> > It takes years to get to that point… Controller in Halo Infinite may be a lot harder to properly use due to the toned down aim assist, but it’s still there, which automatically makes it the more casual option. Not a bad thing mind you, but it will not make you better at shooting, because manual aim is a skill too, not just movement…
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> > The point I am trying to make is, in a TLDR… Mouse and Keyboard WILL make you a better FPS player, but only if you’re willing to suffer through a high learning curve…
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> thanks for the lecture, now how do I get better
I use Kovak Aim Trainer 2.0 for grinding Keyboard and Mouse Muscle memory… but it’s honestly up to the individual how they choose to Train their Aim. Even after you get your aim muscle memory down on K&M, you still need to learn not to overshoot targets whenever you’re strafing. Trigger Discipline, lots of Practice and not giving up when you plateau and get frustrated is all I can tell you… The rest is just keep playing games and improving.