Halo 5 left it on a dead end and trahsed all H4 set up. The only way I can think it can be fixed is by saying something like “the new cortana was a fake, created by the didact to manipulate the unsc”. At least the art style is a middle finger to Halo 5 but we still don’t know about the story
People love to say this about Infinite and theorize about how it will end up being like Rise Of Skywalker but I just don’t see the correlation anymore. Sure, they had similar patterns with 4 and 5, but Infinite is already different from Rise Of Skywalker in that instead of sticking with the regular release schedule 343 stepped back and took a look at what they needed to do to get back on track. The two franchises seem to have had a similar pattern as of recent but this pattern is not a “rule”; just because the franchises have a similar pattern doesn’t mean Infinite will be anything like RoS.
Not to mention that RoS has severe plot issues aside from it’s fan service (the pacing is hot garbage, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing).
Disney listens to fan backlash while 343 Industries/Microsoft doesn’t. Because Luke was grumpy and there were women (sorry, “wamen”, as the movie’s detractors say) in The Last Jedi, Disney essentially completely erased an entire movie from the saga. The problems with modern Halo go much deeper than disagreements with the direction of the story and characters, yet things have only gotten worse.
Halo Infinite won’t change anything significant. It’s been nearly ten years without change, so why would this game be different?
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> Disney listens to fan backlash while 343 Industries/Microsoft doesn’t. Because Luke was grumpy and there were women (sorry, “wamen”, as the movie’s detractors say) in The Last Jedi, Disney essentially completely erased an entire movie from the saga. The problems with modern Halo go much deeper than disagreements with the direction of the story and characters, yet things have only gotten worse.
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> Halo Infinite won’t change anything significant. It’s been nearly ten years without change, so why would this game be different?
Yes they do on some things. The fact that they changed the artstyle more to a hybrid between new and old says enough. Some great things in Halo 5 forge were the result of fan feedback. Wait till you experience the Infinite story before you judge they haven’t listened to the feedback
Storywise they are doing a far better job then disney ever did with the sequels. I’ll take Halo 4 and 5 over A new hope II, The Last Jedi and Rise of Palpatine anyday.
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> > Disney listens to fan backlash while 343 Industries/Microsoft doesn’t. Because Luke was grumpy and there were women (sorry, “wamen”, as the movie’s detractors say) in The Last Jedi, Disney essentially completely erased an entire movie from the saga. The problems with modern Halo go much deeper than disagreements with the direction of the story and characters, yet things have only gotten worse.
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> > Halo Infinite won’t change anything significant. It’s been nearly ten years without change, so why would this game be different?
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> Yes they do on some things. The fact that they changed the artstyle more to a hybrid between new and old says enough. Some great things in Halo 5 forge were the result of fan feedback. Wait till you experience the Infinite story before you judge they haven’t listened to the feedback
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> Storywise they are doing a far better job then disney ever did with the sequels. I’ll take Halo 4 and 5 over A new hope II, The Last Jedi and Rise of Palpatine anyday.
Again, it’s been nearly ten years. 343 Industries have to prove themselves before I assume that this will be the game that fixes everything. Halo Infinite’s visual direction is a great evolution of the franchise that still honors its past, but if the game releases buggy and unfinished with trend-based gameplay, its visuals won’t matter.
On the topic of the story (even though I wasn’t talking about Halo’s story), I actually like Halo 4 and Spartan Ops and feel that they would’ve made for a great Halo 5. I don’t doubt 343 Industries’ ability to tell stories.
There’s no way Infinite could end up being that much of a dumpster fire. 343 also doesn’t have writers trying to ham fist their own political agendas in at the cost of the story which is what painted TRoS plot into a corner.
If anything they could utilize the logic plague as the reason Cortana suddenly became evil.
Firstly why does it have to be doomed before anything is shown?..surely we can wait 1 more month.
Also Rise of the Skywalker wasn’t that bad, in fact it was the only one of the new trilogy that didn’t bore me. Surely getting the art direction back on track is a good thing, surely removing the leader writer from Halo 5 is another good sign right?, Halo 4 was ok for story but both 4,5 suffered from crushing boundaries limitations that killed freedom to explore. What I could gather from the ‘Infinite’ trailers is 343i wanted the fans to have hope again. Then there’s the fact there re-adding splitscreen and removing loot box’s…what more do 343i need to do to get people to trust them?
Also the ‘fake’ Cortana that just sounds like bad fan-fiction. I’m sure the ‘evolved’ Cortana will change her views eventually and co-exist with a new Cortana that caters to the classic fans. Also it’s pretty obvious that she was infected by the logic plague based on events with the gravemind.
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> Firstly why does it have to be doomed before anything is shown?..surely we can wait 1 more month.
> Also Rise of the Skywalker wasn’t that bad, in fact it was the only one of the new trilogy that didn’t bore me. Surely getting the art direction back on track is a good thing, surely removing the leader writer from Halo 5 is another good sign right?, Halo 4 was ok for story but both 4,5 suffered from crushing boundaries limitations that killed freedom to explore. What I could gather from the ‘Infinite’ trailers is 343i wanted the fans to have hope again. Then there’s the fact there re-adding splitscreen and removing loot box’s…what more do 343i need to do to get people to trust them?
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> Also the ‘fake’ Cortana that just sounds like bad fan-fiction. I’m sure the ‘evolved’ Cortana will change her views eventually and co-exist with a new Cortana that caters to the classic fans. Also it’s pretty obvious that she was infected by the logic plague based on events with the gravemind.
Releasing Halo Infinite and having it be a good game is a good place to start.
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> > Firstly why does it have to be doomed before anything is shown?..surely we can wait 1 more month.
> > Also Rise of the Skywalker wasn’t that bad, in fact it was the only one of the new trilogy that didn’t bore me. Surely getting the art direction back on track is a good thing, surely removing the leader writer from Halo 5 is another good sign right?, Halo 4 was ok for story but both 4,5 suffered from crushing boundaries limitations that killed freedom to explore. What I could gather from the ‘Infinite’ trailers is 343i wanted the fans to have hope again. Then there’s the fact there re-adding splitscreen and removing loot box’s…what more do 343i need to do to get people to trust them?
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> > Also the ‘fake’ Cortana that just sounds like bad fan-fiction. I’m sure the ‘evolved’ Cortana will change her views eventually and co-exist with a new Cortana that caters to the classic fans. Also it’s pretty obvious that she was infected by the logic plague based on events with the gravemind.
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> Releasing Halo Infinite and having it be a good game is a good place to start.
Well yes but with the bad things going in the world we need hope at the moment since too much depressing stuff going on, just want Halo to be good again to help us get through 2020.
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> > > Firstly why does it have to be doomed before anything is shown?..surely we can wait 1 more month.
> > > Also Rise of the Skywalker wasn’t that bad, in fact it was the only one of the new trilogy that didn’t bore me. Surely getting the art direction back on track is a good thing, surely removing the leader writer from Halo 5 is another good sign right?, Halo 4 was ok for story but both 4,5 suffered from crushing boundaries limitations that killed freedom to explore. What I could gather from the ‘Infinite’ trailers is 343i wanted the fans to have hope again. Then there’s the fact there re-adding splitscreen and removing loot box’s…what more do 343i need to do to get people to trust them?
> > >
> > > Also the ‘fake’ Cortana that just sounds like bad fan-fiction. I’m sure the ‘evolved’ Cortana will change her views eventually and co-exist with a new Cortana that caters to the classic fans. Also it’s pretty obvious that she was infected by the logic plague based on events with the gravemind.
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> > Releasing Halo Infinite and having it be a good game is a good place to start.
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> Well yes but with the bad things going in the world we need hope at the moment since too much depressing stuff going on, just want Halo to be good again to help us get through 2020.
They still need to prove themselves with a good final product. You can give them your hope if that makes you feel better, but you risk greater disappointment that way.
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> > > > Firstly why does it have to be doomed before anything is shown?..surely we can wait 1 more month.
> > > > Also Rise of the Skywalker wasn’t that bad, in fact it was the only one of the new trilogy that didn’t bore me. Surely getting the art direction back on track is a good thing, surely removing the leader writer from Halo 5 is another good sign right?, Halo 4 was ok for story but both 4,5 suffered from crushing boundaries limitations that killed freedom to explore. What I could gather from the ‘Infinite’ trailers is 343i wanted the fans to have hope again. Then there’s the fact there re-adding splitscreen and removing loot box’s…what more do 343i need to do to get people to trust them?
> > > >
> > > > Also the ‘fake’ Cortana that just sounds like bad fan-fiction. I’m sure the ‘evolved’ Cortana will change her views eventually and co-exist with a new Cortana that caters to the classic fans. Also it’s pretty obvious that she was infected by the logic plague based on events with the gravemind.
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> > > Releasing Halo Infinite and having it be a good game is a good place to start.
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> > Well yes but with the bad things going in the world we need hope at the moment since too much depressing stuff going on, just want Halo to be good again to help us get through 2020.
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> They still need to prove themselves with a good final product. You can give them your hope if that makes you feel better, but you risk greater disappointment that way.
I’m just concerned the community is going to get more pessimistic. Halo Wars 2 is what made me think of giving them a leap of faith, Halo art’s change with the trailers is why I’m trying to be positive, I’m tired of being pessimistic with 4,5…I went through games like Halo 5 and it frustrated me to no end, with things going in the world this is just about giving them me some hope something this year can actually be something less depressing. Trust me I understand the greater disappointment and what to expect from modern games but if we’re always ‘doom and gloom’ with the series then how can we ever be happy?, if things end up being fine or bad then we’ll have to deal with it but surely we can wait a month before assuming the worst, heck right now I’m not expecting the best Halo ever but just a game that might be good or bad and I’m willing to keep an open mind till then.
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> > > > > Firstly why does it have to be doomed before anything is shown?..surely we can wait 1 more month.
> > > > > Also Rise of the Skywalker wasn’t that bad, in fact it was the only one of the new trilogy that didn’t bore me. Surely getting the art direction back on track is a good thing, surely removing the leader writer from Halo 5 is another good sign right?, Halo 4 was ok for story but both 4,5 suffered from crushing boundaries limitations that killed freedom to explore. What I could gather from the ‘Infinite’ trailers is 343i wanted the fans to have hope again. Then there’s the fact there re-adding splitscreen and removing loot box’s…what more do 343i need to do to get people to trust them?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also the ‘fake’ Cortana that just sounds like bad fan-fiction. I’m sure the ‘evolved’ Cortana will change her views eventually and co-exist with a new Cortana that caters to the classic fans. Also it’s pretty obvious that she was infected by the logic plague based on events with the gravemind.
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> > > > Releasing Halo Infinite and having it be a good game is a good place to start.
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> > > Well yes but with the bad things going in the world we need hope at the moment since too much depressing stuff going on, just want Halo to be good again to help us get through 2020.
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> > They still need to prove themselves with a good final product. You can give them your hope if that makes you feel better, but you risk greater disappointment that way.
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> I’m just concerned the community is going to get more pessimistic. Halo Wars 2 is what made me think of giving them a leap of faith, Halo art’s change with the trailers is why I’m trying to be positive, I’m tired of being pessimistic with 4,5…I went through games like Halo 5 and it frustrated me to no end, with things going in the world this is just about giving them me some hope something this year can actually be something less depressing. Trust me I understand the greater disappointment and what to expect from modern games but if we’re always ‘doom and gloom’ with the series then how can we ever be happy?, if things end up being fine or bad then we’ll have to deal with it but surely we can wait a month before assuming the worst, heck right now I’m not expecting the best Halo ever but just a game that might be good or bad and I’m willing to keep an open mind till then.
You don’t have to be either pessimistic or optimistic. You can go into the July showing simply willing to see what they have to show, form an opinion, and then be either pessimistic or optimistic. Forcing yourself to be optimistic will do more harm than good.
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> > > > > > Firstly why does it have to be doomed before anything is shown?..surely we can wait 1 more month.
> > > > > > Also Rise of the Skywalker wasn’t that bad, in fact it was the only one of the new trilogy that didn’t bore me. Surely getting the art direction back on track is a good thing, surely removing the leader writer from Halo 5 is another good sign right?, Halo 4 was ok for story but both 4,5 suffered from crushing boundaries limitations that killed freedom to explore. What I could gather from the ‘Infinite’ trailers is 343i wanted the fans to have hope again. Then there’s the fact there re-adding splitscreen and removing loot box’s…what more do 343i need to do to get people to trust them?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also the ‘fake’ Cortana that just sounds like bad fan-fiction. I’m sure the ‘evolved’ Cortana will change her views eventually and co-exist with a new Cortana that caters to the classic fans. Also it’s pretty obvious that she was infected by the logic plague based on events with the gravemind.
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> > > > > Releasing Halo Infinite and having it be a good game is a good place to start.
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> > > > Well yes but with the bad things going in the world we need hope at the moment since too much depressing stuff going on, just want Halo to be good again to help us get through 2020.
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> > > They still need to prove themselves with a good final product. You can give them your hope if that makes you feel better, but you risk greater disappointment that way.
> >
> > I’m just concerned the community is going to get more pessimistic. Halo Wars 2 is what made me think of giving them a leap of faith, Halo art’s change with the trailers is why I’m trying to be positive, I’m tired of being pessimistic with 4,5…I went through games like Halo 5 and it frustrated me to no end, with things going in the world this is just about giving them me some hope something this year can actually be something less depressing. Trust me I understand the greater disappointment and what to expect from modern games but if we’re always ‘doom and gloom’ with the series then how can we ever be happy?, if things end up being fine or bad then we’ll have to deal with it but surely we can wait a month before assuming the worst, heck right now I’m not expecting the best Halo ever but just a game that might be good or bad and I’m willing to keep an open mind till then.
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> You don’t have to be either pessimistic or optimistic. You can go into the July showing simply willing to see what they have to show, form an opinion, and then be either pessimistic or optimistic. Forcing yourself to be optimistic will do more harm than good.
I’m simply stating it’s best to wait till they show stuff next month. Trust me with all the depressing stuff going on these days…I think being optimistic about anything at the moment is something we all need at the moment to get us through the rough times, it’s not healthy to be angry all the time. I’m not assuming it’ll be good/bad at this current moment but just wait, see. I’m just tired of people assuming it’s going to be the worst without actually seeing any game-play and very little info. Trust me being negative about everything all the time is a lot worse than trying to be optimistic sometimes because being angry all the time isn’t healthy.
hasn’t MS has pumped an insane amount of money into Infinity this time? As obvious as it sounds MS doesn’t want Halo to die and knows it needs serious medical attention if it’s to recover. Halo was essentially like Star Wars at some point for a lot of folk and MS desperately want their cash cow back to full health. I bet they’re pulling all the stops this time and if not, then more fool them
What do you mean by dead end? There’s a ton of stuff they can still do in my opinion.
I get some of what you’re getting at but the title for your post made absolutely no sense to me. Mind elaborting?
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> Mind elaborting?
More like this thread needs aborting.
Yeah I agree, why did you mention TROS again, OP?
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> hasn’t MS has pumped an insane amount of money into Infinity this time? As obvious as it sounds MS doesn’t want Halo to die and knows it needs serious medical attention if it’s to recover. Halo was essentially like Star Wars at some point for a lot of folk and MS desperately want their cash cow back to full health. I bet they’re pulling all the stops this time and if not, then more fool them
I sure hope so and not turn into Anthem.
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> More like this thread needs aborting.
> Yeah I agree, why did you mention TROS again, OP?
TRoS story was a train wreck, plot holes, violating prestablished lore, flat static characters, no character development, loose plot threads, etc.
TRoS was essentially just a knock off action movie. It’s the product of not having a plan for the trilogy and juggling directors which is what painted TRoS into a corner making it doomed to fail.
Frankly I don’t think 343 could flop that hard, they aren’t incompetent.
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> I get some of what you’re getting at but the title for your post made absolutely no sense to me. Mind elaborting?
He thinks this game will be trash, and that it’s only redeeming quality would be it -Yoink!- all over halo 5’s story. Much like how RoS was bad, and how it ignored and pissed on TLJ and it’s story.
Not that I believe any of this swill, 343I have made mistakes in the past, but they’ve never messed up that bad.