Alright,as you guys may know,Fiction is a fake story that has the ability to be true in the real world,While the Fantasy is a fake story involving things that can’t happen in real life.
Halo Universe has a very advanced tech compared to ours nowadays,not to mention the giant ships,heavily overpowered weapons of mass destruction,slipspace travels,super soldiers and specially,aliens.
Is there anything inside the Halo Universe impossible of existing? or everything there is pretty much possible,it’s just not in our technological level?
Halo is Science Fiction.
Halo is science fiction. The technology is very grounded in reality and it is meant to be believable. There isn’t really anything I can think of that would be impossible. There’s no reason to believe the Forerunners couldn’t do what they did after 15 million years of advancement, and the Precursors were around for so long they would definitely be able to become gods basically. So, yeah, science fiction.
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> Halo is science fiction. The technology is very grounded in reality and it is meant to be believable. There isn’t really anything I can think of that would be impossible. There’s no reason to believe the Forerunners couldn’t do what they did after 15 million years of advancement, and the Precursors were around for so long they would definitely be able to become gods basically. So, yeah, science fiction.
I hope you’re right.
I would hate to see Halo being categorized the same way like crazy Universes like Star Wars,Warhammer or even Marvel and DC are.
at least Halo is realistic,not a ridiculous fantasy universe…It’s better this way…
Soft sci-fi. The technology isn’t really that grounded in reality imo, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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> Soft sci-fi. The technology isn’t really that grounded in reality imo, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
I think there IS something wrong with that.
The fact that Halo is a Sci-Fi Universe (closer to reality) is what makes it better than any fantasy one for me.
And as far as I can see,everything there looks prettey much possible,even crazy things like supersoldiers, aliens and slipspace travels (that works like a wormhole, which NASA already confirmed that is possible to use for fast travels).
The only unnecessary thing, but not impossible would be the massive ships.Which I think that were only added to Halo to cause some “coolness effect”.
There is nothing wrong about that.
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> > Soft sci-fi. The technology isn’t really that grounded in reality imo, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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> I think there IS something wrong with that.
> The fact that Halo is a Sci-Fi Universe (closer to reality) is what makes it better than any fantasy one for me.
> And as far as I can see,everything there looks prettey much possible,even crazy things like supersoldiers, aliens and slipspace travels (that works like a wormhole, which NASA already confirmed that is possible to use for fast travels).
> The only unnecessary thing, but not impossible would be the massive ships.Which I think that were only added to Halo to cause some “coolness effect”.
> There is nothing wrong about that.
What’s wrong with sci-fantasy or universes that aren’t so grounded? There is no problem about it, and it’s all matter of opinions. Star Wars is a pretty science-fantasy universe and it’s one of the most beloved franchises of all time.
Halo also have impossible things happening, such as using fission and radiation, which is impossible in real life. People also still use wheelchairs in the future, despite today we already having technology that already makes weelchairs outdated, artificial legs being the prime example.
Not to tell how absurdly not grounded the Precursors and even the Flood are.
In the end, it can’t be “cool” without adding “coolness” and it can’t be diverse if we are just using the concepts we know about many things.
“Any technology sufficiently advanced enough is indistinguishable from magic”
that goes for the forerunner and precursor stuff to.
If we really mean “fiction” as “possible in the real world”, then Halo is undoubtedly fantasy. UNSC technology is mostly grounded in things that are in some way possible, though potentially awfully impractical. However, any sci-fi that requires FTL travel will fall into the realm of fantasy with this definition as there is nothing that suggests FTL travel would be possible.
I would also argue that at the very least the lore surrounding the Precursors, if not the Forerunners, falls absolutely into the realm of fantasy even with a stricter definition. I mean, the only way I can describe the description of Precursor technology in the Forerunner saga is “new agey”, which is as far removed from science as you can get.
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> “Any technology sufficiently advanced enough is indistinguishable from magic”
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> that goes for the forerunner and precursor stuff to.
A dust that can alter your form through the millenia in order to become from a non-physical to physical being as well as turning you on a parasite which can by bizarre means take over your spine, brain as well as other functions into a fungal/plant-like zombie is beyond the definition of science and realism.
Though I agree on the Forerunners. Almost all we have from them is just incredibly advanced technology, except for the Geas, though. This is fantasy.
If you take the time to think about it and look it up, the halo universe could very well be possible. There is an explanation for pretty much everything and if there isn’t, that’s what the universe forums are for. Although, the events in halo will almost definitely not happen considering all of the variables that would have to each fit, but it would be pretty cool if it did (except for most of humanity getting killed).
Also, some of the stuff that you think can’t happen, can happen. We just aren’t advanced enough as a species. The didact using “the force” is possible because he states that humanity hasn’t unlocked the ability. We only use about 10% of our brain I think. Einstein was the smartest man in the world and I think he used 13%. If we used just 30%, we could possibly have superhuman abilities like the didact.
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> > Soft sci-fi. The technology isn’t really that grounded in reality imo, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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> I think there IS something wrong with that.
> The fact that Halo is a Sci-Fi Universe (closer to reality) is what makes it better than any fantasy one for me.
So Halo for you is better than things like the Lord of the Rings, Silmarillion or A Song of Ice and Fire, and it’s this way because it’s closer to reality? I’d ask you what reality has to do with telling a consistent narrative with a compelling story, developed and relatable characters and an interesting setting. These are the things I usually judge by, as opposed to how well they conform to reality.
> And as far as I can see,everything there looks prettey much possible,even crazy things like supersoldiers, aliens
Supersoldiers is basically trans-humanism, and yes that can happen and probably will. Halo however is unrealistic because it has this stuff happening 400 years too late and throws down this “can only augment children” thing which as far as I know isn’t a major concern for people researching somatic gene therapy today. Maybe it is and I haven’t come across it, but in all the talk about the potential applications of SGT I’ve never read of the problem of treating adults. Transhumanism will likely be a relevant topic as we approach the end of this century, as opposed to the 26th century.
Aliens probably exist, yes. They may even vaguely resemble some Earth creature in the way the Covies do. Anything can happen here, but I wouldn’t then say that Halo is staying closer to what reality depicts because we don’t have anything to compare it to yet in this regard.
“Antigravity”, the weird force that the Covenant and Forerunners use to make things levitate or move without a reaction mass, is probably not possible. There’s nothing in the laws of physics that suggest that gravity can be repulsive, and negative mass (Which is repulsive) hasn’t been proven to exist.
Stealth ships are impossible, and not just improbable. Space is about -270 degrees Celsius. The minute you ignite thrusters or an engine to move a spy ship, anyone in the solar system with passive sensors worth a dam will see a bright streak across the sky. The Arecebo Dish is said to be sensitive enough to pick up a mobile phone signal on Jupiter, so we know how sensitive listening stations are likely to be. You also can’t mask the thermal emissions from the hull 100% because the background emission of space is so low.
Energy shields. Your guess is as good as mine. The closest we have is the plasma window, which projects a sheet of magnetically contained plasma across a breach in order to keep out air from some cavity, as the plasma is fairly viscous and forces the air back out. However the plasma is very hot and very bright.
The function of the Halo Rings that kills all sentient life in the galaxy. It’s linked to neural physics, and all that stuff is pure fantasy. I believe “cross-phased supermassive neutrinos” were mentioned as being the carrier of the halo pulse in Cryptum, but these aren’t particles that actually exist in any theory I’ve ever heard of.
Looking at what Halo should have added to it, the UNSC really needs a tech boost in several areas. It’s unrealistically regressive and I’m not talking at all about weapons technology. Stuff like its economy, healthcare, governance, industry and such are not what they should be for its time period. It’s too normal. This is made worse because they have AI’s with IQ’s apparently over 200 according to Halsey’s Journal, yet human society is largely unchanged by the presence of such intellects (If humans could make a better mind than themselves, then why can’t the superior AI’s make one better than themselves, etc. This is just one issue with this that isn’t explained at all).
And so on. You can’t really fault other sci-fi universes for crazy ideas or unrealistic physics because Halo has its fair share of them.
> and slipspace travels (that works like a wormhole, which NASA already confirmed that is possible to use for fast travels).
I’d like to see that report please. It’s just that FTL means that either time travel is possible or that Relativity is wrong, both of which are exceptional scenarios that I would have expected there to be a lot of fuss about.
I don’t really care about the stuff I point out here, because again all I care about is whether the setting is interesting, the stories are consistent and compelling and that the characters are likable and developed. The UNSC was an attempt to stay “grounded” in reality, but imo this has produced one of the most boring science-fiction polities I’ve ever read about (The Covies, Forerunner and Flood are what bring me back to Halo, fyi. Whenever it cuts to the UNSC I tend to lose interest). Grounding things too hard can sometimes backfire.
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> A dust that can alter your form through the millenia in order to become from a non-physical to physical being as well as turning you on a parasite which can by bizarre means take over your spine, brain as well as other functions into a fungal/plant-like zombie is beyond the definition of science and realism.
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> Though I agree on the Forerunners. Almost all we have from them is just incredibly advanced technology, except for the Geas, though. This is fantasy.
All the Forerunner and Precursor technology, and you decided to pick on the Flood? While it’s probably not going to lead to philosophical meat flowers, the idea of a parasite taking over the body of an animal is not in itself at all far fetched. There are fungi here, on earth, that infect ants and turn them into zombies to get them to climb to a high place where the fungus can then spread its spores and infect other plants. Rabies is also another well known disease that affects the behavior of its host in order to spread.
Now, the Flood is obviously much more complicated, and the existence of such an intricate parasite that can completely take over the body of the victim and get it to accomplish complex goals is extremely unlikely, not to mention the whole being self-aware thing. But on the spectrum of space magic, Flood is closer to plausible (but probably not plausible) than, say, slipspace.
I’m kind of puzzled as you agree with him on Forerunner technology. What highly advanced Forerunner technology is there that’s even close to plausible? Even as plausible as the Flood?
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> > Though I agree on the Forerunners. Almost all we have from them is just incredibly advanced technology, except for the Geas, though. This is fantasy.
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> All the Forerunner and Precursor technology, and you decided to pick on the Flood? While it’s probably not going to lead to philosophical meat flowers, the idea of a parasite taking over the body of an animal is not in itself at all far fetched. There are fungi here, on earth, that infect ants and turn them into zombies to get them to climb to a high place where the fungus can then spread its spores and infect other plants. Rabies is also another well known disease that affects the behavior of its host in order to spread.
> Now, the Flood is obviously much more complicated, and the existence of such an intricate parasite that can completely take over the body of the victim and get it to accomplish complex goals is extremely unlikely, not to mention the whole being self-aware thing. But on the spectrum of space magic, Flood is closer to plausible (but probably not plausible) than, say, slipspace.
> I’m kind of puzzled as you agree with him on Forerunner technology. What highly advanced Forerunner technology is there that’s even close to plausible? Even as plausible as the Flood?
Yeah, I exxagerated on the “most”. Their mutations and structures are impossible.
Alright,so Halo is a fiction or a fantasy?
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> Alright,so Halo is a fiction or a fantasy?
Haven’t you read all of our replies?
There’s no real difference between fiction and fantasy, what fantasy is, is a specific type of fiction. So I don’t really see what you’re trying to ask with your question. If you’re trying to ask whether Halo is a series that is, for the most part, fairly grounded in reality and most of what’s in it would be plausible to see in the real world…well that entirely depends on whether you refer to Bungie or 343i’s take on Halo. Because the two are completely different, with Bungie the Halo series was purely of the science-fiction genre, and the Halos were about the only thing that really stretched the bounds of plausibility or being something that could eventually be invented/discovered in real life. With 343i on the other hand though, they’ve converted the genre of the Halo series to sci-fantasy (like the Star Wars series or Warhammer 40,000), and it just doesn’t mesh, like everything they’ve done with the Precursors and a whole lot of things they’ve been doing with the Forerunners as well. So, in answer to your question, all of the Halo releases with Bungie were fairly plausible and could have been something that’d have shown up eventually somewhere down the road into the future. Halo since 343i took over however has become something that is completely implausible as reality and is, as you put it “a ridiculous fantasy universe”…and it’s something that just plain doesn’t work because it’s a completely radical shift in genre and it doesn’t match the tone and the setting that had already been established. It’s one of the many problems I have with 343i’s handling of Halo and why I’m no longer really into the series or spending money on it anymore.
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read,but I have to admit that I simply don’t care at all…
listen,I’m a realistic person,so everything that is closer to my reality is better for me.
hate me all you want,but I never liked Lord of The Rings and always hated Star Wars.
I find every single piece of fantasy simply stupid and childish,created only to entertain people,not to show how the Universe creator thinks that our future could be.
And that’s why I always liked Halo,because everything there has a logic explanation and everything is basically possible of existing,even if some of it’s technology or creatures only fit in conspiracy theories.
the closer it is to reality,better it is for me.
Now I would ask you to simply respect my point of view and stop bothering.
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> read,but I have to admit that I simply don’t care at all…
> listen,I’m a realistic person,so everything that is closer to my reality is better for me.
> hate me all you want,but I never liked Lord of The Rings and always hated Star Wars.
> I find every single piece of fantasy simply stupid and childish,created only to entertain people,not to show how the Universe creator thinks that our future could be.
> And that’s why I always liked Halo,because everything there has a logic explanation and everything is basically possible of existing,even if some of it’s technology or creatures only fit in conspiracy theories.
> the closer it is to reality,better it is for me.
> Now I would ask you to simply respect my point of view and stop bothering.
You make a question, I reply, then you say I need to stop bothering? Wut? I respect your opinion, as I respect anyone’s opinion.
Still, we said how much Halo isn’t realistic at all. Are you going to ignore it? Then, if it’s conspiracy, I could start one saying that the government may create a superweapon capable of destroying planets. That would make Star Wars realistic for you?
You should read Isaac Asimov’s works then, not play and read Halo, because Halo is not realistic sci-fi (whatever that means - it doesn’t exist). Halo is soft sci-fi, that by definition has more aim on commentary of society, not hard sci-fi (which is factual science fiction in which only things on the realm of possibility occurs).