Is Halo Devolving?

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First of all, my main account got banned from XBL in 2010 for attempting (and almost succeeding) to sell it for $650. I had 50s in Team Slayer, Team Doubles, Team Snipers, and Squad Battle. With being a Forerunner on March 2010 which was #30 for overall credits. It’s GT was Time is Credits. I have beaten every game with the name Halo on it on Solo Legendary and I have been playing since the very beginning.

So lets get on with it. I feel Halo at this very moment is going to die. The last game I thought was generally good was Halo 3, everything beyond that sucked, but why?

Halo 1: one of the first open world first person shooters, AI that dodged grenades and would flank you. Graphics that showed you this amazing open landscape and tight solid SIMPLE gameplay.

Halo 2: introduced multiplayer matchmaking, Duel wielding, custom games, boarding vehicles, play as an elite, a banning system, a GOOD ranking system, and generic new weapons/vehicles, same simple gameplay.

Halo 3: removed many weapons and vehicles, Equipement, Multiplayer theater, Forge, File Shares, same simple gameplay.

THE POST COD ERA (I won’t include ODST or Halo Wars because of obvious reasons)

Halo: Reach: removed duel wielding, added loadouts, removed equipement for armor abilities, added bloom, removed weapons in play of new generic ones, removed vehicles for new generic ones, replaced 1-50 with Arena and CoD based system, removed multiplayer theater, removed move speed and jump height, removed being able to play as an elite, made game more “realistic”.

Halo 4: added custom loadouts, removed custom game options, added weapon skins, replaced old CoD system with a better copy cat system, added instant spawn, added perks, removed Firefight, removed dropping objectives (WTF???), and added Spartan Ops (another CoD copy cat), and horrible ending (IMO).

So 343i, tell me why I should play a game like Halo 4 over Call of Duty Black Ops 2? I mean if you are trying to copy it, why wouldn’t I get the original over the Chinese knock off? What makes Halo 4 more advanced than Halo 3? Where is the innovation? Or better yet, where is Halo? Are you going to let Call of Duty ruin the Halo franchise because it is more popular? When will I actually see Duel wielding or a simple Halo based Halo again?

Are you going to let the game die or are you going to try to come up with something that Call of Duty hasn’t been using for 5 years? I mean not only are you removing HALO features, but you are replacing them with CoD features that people that love Halo doesn’t care about.

Graphics are good, and I liked the story besides the limited ending, but you have to do way more than copy CoD multiplayer wise to make it top dog again. You can’t just make a game with Halo on it and expect it to do well.

Most of my issues with this game can be fixed easily with Matchmaking and Title Updates… I am keeping the game, and I will continue to try and enjoy it. However it has been far too long since we had an actual HALO game.

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Sure Halo 4 added a bunch of crap that is from COD, that it probably didn’t need; but the core gameplay is Halo and is much closer to Halo 2 (which was the best IMO) than any game since.

The community isn’t the same now then it was then; customs were what was played competitively. If I had 5 friends on we played 3v3 every time. Now we go into BTB just because customs aren’t the same.

So while the extras and the community surrounding Halo has changed, for the negative IMO; the gameplay is very Halo and it is VERY good.

And for my background (because you shared yours), my old Halo 2 account was a level 41 in Team Slayer; I went to several tournaments and beat some good pros including SK Halo God in his prime.

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First things first - I love forums post launch of a game. Half of the forums are ZOMGWTFBBQ ITS AMAZING!!!1!one!! and the other half are like yourself and its ZOMGWTFBBQ ITS GOING TO DIE!!!1!one!!

Now i have that out of my system, what is the point of your opening statement. That you had multiple 50’s so your opinion must be the right one?

Anyways, now to the rest of your statement. This Halo, for me brings it back to the good old days of Halo 3. The games are good and have always been enjoyable for me. This is more Halo than Reach ever was. The really good thing about it is that teamwork trumps super skilled spartans anyday and THAT makes it good.

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Everytime you say CoD. I can’t stop to think, why would both relate?

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The opening statement was to show you I didn’t come from some random game to buy this one and complain about it. If I am biased towards anything it would be in favor of Halo 4.

I want Halo 4 to do good, like I said I am still going to play it. This is just my constructive criticism towards 343 because I want Halo 4 with TU or Halo 5 to be BETTER. I am not complaining that this game is not competitive enough, I mean once 1-50 is out I am sure the game will be good from a competitive perspective, but I feel when I play a game that is 5 years newer than a previous title, I should see a massive improvement. I just don’t see a reason why this game would be considered better than Halo 3, there is nothing that it adds, just a refreshed player base.

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> Halo: Reach: removed duel wielding, added loadouts, removed equipement for armor abilities, added bloom, removed weapons in play of new generic ones, removed vehicles for new generic ones, replaced 1-50 with Arena and CoD based system, removed multiplayer theater, removed move speed and jump height, removed being able to play as an elite, made game more “realistic”.

reach the loadouts with armor abilities where to replace that equipment, a little bloom didn’t hurt anybody really, and reach is nothing like CoD, it has and still has theater mode.
speed is faster than halo 3 and honestly everybody and his grandmother shouldn’t be able to easily moon jump over a wraith. and you can still actually play as an elite with some customization options.

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Classic Halo is gone man, 343i are in to deep to turn back now :frowning:
Hopefully it will grow on me…

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> > Halo: Reach: removed duel wielding, added loadouts, removed equipement for armor abilities, added bloom, removed weapons in play of new generic ones, removed vehicles for new generic ones, replaced 1-50 with Arena and CoD based system, removed multiplayer theater, removed move speed and jump height, removed being able to play as an elite, made game more “realistic”.
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> reach the loadouts with armor abilities where to replace that equipment, a little bloom didn’t hurt anybody really, and reach is nothing like CoD, it has and still has theater mode.
> speed is faster than halo 3 and honestly everybody and his grandmother shouldn’t be able to easily moon jump over a wraith. and you can still actually play as an elite with some customization options.

Reach and 4 doesn’t have theater for up to 4 people at a time, you can’t all watch it at once, and I mean to put the elite thing in with Halo 4 sorry.

And IMO Equipment was a lot better than armor abilities, I miss my bubble shield :frowning:

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(I half agree with you. While some of the new additions

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I honestly don’t understand how people enjoyed the equipment in Halo 3. It was a poorly implemented feature and most (if not all of them) were useless for actual MM. Not to mention you only get to use them ONCE. So good luck if you put that grav lift in the wrong spot on High Ground to get to the Spartan Laser (which ended up being the only really useful spot for it)

Summary: AA’s work much better.

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… Why do we need to know how good of a Halo player you are??? Lol

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Well I for one like armor abilities much better than equipment. If you actually play the multiplayer, you’ll find that it’s incredibly balanced and competitive, especially since players can choose their weapons of choice.

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Seriously some of you its the same thing with every new halo game, whine, then argue about others who is the real fan and why the game rocks or sucks.

Stop comparing games like and just complaining about features other games have too, i played battlefield 2 modern combat back in 2005 and it had loadouts not as advanced as newer games but it had them and supply drops for multiplayer. People act like everything copy cats Cod but call of duty just copyed things other people did and applyed it to their game and made it better.

Halo isn’t devolving every game has to keep up with the time, otherwise it will eventually be left behind with nothing but a cult following if you don’t like the changes you don’t have to buy the game you have free will. 343 didnt make you do anything you didnt want.

1-The game isnt perfect but apply actual critques, like maybe change instant spawns only to Big team slayer.
2-The storyline is a bit to fast past make it longer so you can fit all the info without overwhelming people
4- make a custom playlist so people can hop into other peoples games not just friends
stuff they can actually implement.

343 has said it wants to listen, start actually making steps forward instead of asking for halo 1 2 or 3. Tell them how the game could be improved instead of just complaining on what it is not and wanting it to return to the same thing. if you want the other games then just play them, spend your money on something else.

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> I honestly don’t understand how people enjoyed the equipment in Halo 3. It was a poorly implemented feature and most (if not all of them) were useless for actual MM. Not to mention you only get to use them ONCE. So good luck if you put that grav lift in the wrong spot on High Ground to get to the Spartan Laser (which ended up being the only really useful spot for it)
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> Summary: AA’s work much better.

Equipment was far from useless. If I played FFA or Objectives I’d rather have a Power Drain or a Bubble shield than Rockets. They were power weapons and added another reason for map control.

It wasn’t poorly implemented by any reason, it was simple and it matched Halo’s gameplay, simplicity is better than gimmicks.

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Sorry for failed post above, mobile site kinda sucks

I half agree with you. While some of the new additions (and subtractions) deeply disappointed me (no map-based weapons, complex load-outs), I feel like 343 crafted a great game very much worth playing. While I will always have a longing to again play Halo 2 (my PC sucks), I will surely find much enjoyment in Halo 4. What I can say is that I would shriek like a little school girl who got a pony for her birthday if 343 were to make a Halo 2 remake. With original multiplayer.

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> Seriously some of you its the same thing with every new halo game, whine, then argue about others who is the real fan and why the game rocks or sucks.
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> Halo isn’t devolving every game has to keep up with the time, otherwise it will eventually be left behind with nothing but a cult following if you don’t like the changes you don’t have to buy the game you have free will. 343 didnt make you do anything you didnt want.

I never complained about any Halo game before this, and I am not really even complaining about the game, I am complaining about the direction it is heading in the future.

And to the second thing I quoted from you, Halo is falling behind and it is trying to play catch up. It will not work, it cannot be one of the best if it isn’t original and unique, if they are going to change Halo I want them to change it to the point where no FPS has gone before. I don’t want to play a game that is pretending to be another game.

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Oh Okay, so your thought is just keep games the same every year that they get released? Cause that’s gonna make everyone happy. It’s a game for god’s sake, if you don’t like it you don’t have to play it. Go out and make money to move out of your parent’s basement or something

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What was the purpose of putting what happened to your old gamertag in here?

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And besides, first person shooters have pretty much reached critical mass. There aren’t going to be BRAND NEW IDEAS only tweaks and changes of current and old ones. If you wanted vibrant new shooters with never before seen mechanics, go back to 1990

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You have the right to complain, and I can see your logic. But I have the right to praise and refute, and seeing its new features and innovations as evolution rather than devolution works better for me.