Is Halo: 5 the worst Halo?

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > > > > > EVERY Halo brought changes to game play and mechanics. I don’t understand how players can’t quite grasp that concept. You just have to play and get used to the changes. At least they don’t just repackage the same game and sell it to us.
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> > > > > > > > > Yeah, like my friend who got hit by a car and will be in a wheelchair for the rest of his life. He was bummed at first but I told him his body is always changing and he should just get used to it. Now he’s glad he was hit by that car.
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> > > > > > > > Yeah because that relates to a video game… smh…
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> > > > > > > I was agreeing with your point. Change is always good, no matter what.
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> > > > > > Huh?
> > > > > > And here I was thinking OP didn’t make any sense.
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> > > > > Are you saying LethalQ’s point doesn’t make any sense?
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> > > > “Change is always good, no matter what.”
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> > > > Thats not true whatsoever.
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> > > Wasn’t that Lethal’s point though? Tell him it’s not true.
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> > It didn’t look like that. Were one of you being sarcastic or something?
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> No, Lethal’s opinion on change wasn’t so black and white.

I’m lost, probably read something wrong.

Aborting conversation…

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> In my opinion Halo: 5 is the worst halo ever made, and personally I am offended by it. To me I feel 343 does not care about the Halo universe the way Bungie did. Halo: 5 has less armor customization ability than Halo: 3. What I mean by that is you can only change the entire armor set (legs, shoulders, chest all together) and the helmet. Yes, you can change the visor but big deal. Halo: 3 allowed you to change both shoulders, chest, and helmet. Don’t get me started on Halo: Reach (halo customization heaven). Yes, Halo: 5 has a lot of armor to choose from (and I mean a lot) however, most of it is recycled garbage. 343 seems to have shown no effort or creativity with the armor.
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> The campaign in my opinion was utter -Yoink-; it was too short and ended terribly, and let’s not forget the fact that the previews for Halo: 5 were NO WHERE near accurate to the campaign. I feel 343 is just trying to get as much money as possible, something that can be seen with the new REQ system which allows you to buy the packs, making unlocking new armor pointless, and not even a challenge. I cannot begin to express how frustrated and down right upset the lack of effort that was put into this game makes me.
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> I feel Halo: 5 was a giant middle finger to the Halo community and we all sat on it. There’s so much more that is just terrible about this game, and you all know what those things are. We all have our own opinions. Some of the things I hate you may love. I do love some features of Halo: 5 but, they aren’t enough to save it for me. I want to hear what you think. What’s your opinion on the game?

The 343 fan boys need not even read your post to be confronted with the absolute HARD FACTS which is Halo 5 is an utter failure in terms of player retention.

Facts are Facts boys and girls and you CANNOT argue them (although the knuckle heads will try their very hardest…& we all know who they are).
Halo 5 limped up to 9th place when the MoR update rolled out. 2 days later…TWO FLIP’N DAYS LATER it dropped out of the top 10 AGAIN! Ya know what that means??? It means no one is impressed nor wants to continue to play this PoS game. I get faster matches in Halo REACH with just 130 players playing in a certain game type (at the time there was a total population of ~ 9000 players). Chew on that for a while :wink:

That is pretty damn sad. Currently it is in 13th place. Too bad we can’t place a LMFAO emogee cause that’s what this excuse of a game needs.

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The gameplay is really solid IMO. The only problems I have with it are Spartan Charge, Ground Pound, and the extremely broken radar.

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> > In my opinion Halo: 5 is the worst halo ever made, and personally I am offended by it. To me I feel 343 does not care about the Halo universe the way Bungie did. Halo: 5 has less armor customization ability than Halo: 3. What I mean by that is you can only change the entire armor set (legs, shoulders, chest all together) and the helmet. Yes, you can change the visor but big deal. Halo: 3 allowed you to change both shoulders, chest, and helmet. Don’t get me started on Halo: Reach (halo customization heaven). Yes, Halo: 5 has a lot of armor to choose from (and I mean a lot) however, most of it is recycled garbage. 343 seems to have shown no effort or creativity with the armor.
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> > The campaign in my opinion was utter -Yoink-; it was too short and ended terribly, and let’s not forget the fact that the previews for Halo: 5 were NO WHERE near accurate to the campaign. I feel 343 is just trying to get as much money as possible, something that can be seen with the new REQ system which allows you to buy the packs, making unlocking new armor pointless, and not even a challenge. I cannot begin to express how frustrated and down right upset the lack of effort that was put into this game makes me.
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> > I feel Halo: 5 was a giant middle finger to the Halo community and we all sat on it. There’s so much more that is just terrible about this game, and you all know what those things are. We all have our own opinions. Some of the things I hate you may love. I do love some features of Halo: 5 but, they aren’t enough to save it for me. I want to hear what you think. What’s your opinion on the game?
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> The 343 fan boys need not even read your post to be confronted with the absolute HARD FACTS which is Halo 5 is an utter failure in terms of player retention.
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> Facts are Facts boys and girls and you CANNOT argue them (although the knuckle heads will try their very hardest…& we all know who they are).
> Halo 5 limped up to 9th place when the MoR update rolled out. 2 days later…TWO FLIP’N DAYS LATER it dropped out of the top 10 AGAIN! Ya know what that means??? It means no one is impressed nor wants to continue to play this PoS game. I get faster matches in Halo REACH with just 130 players playing in a certain game type (at the time there was a total population of ~ 9000 players). Chew on that for a while :wink:
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> That is pretty damn sad. Currently it is in 13th place. Too bad we can’t place a LMFAO emogee cause that’s what this excuse of a game needs.

lololol, people really care about top 10 soo much on this forum, they can’t enjoy a game, unless it is in the top 10? i get a lot of garbage for my opinions, but you HAVE to be trolling because you sound like a six year old right now.

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I think only thing bugs me people talking halo 6 when I feel halo 5 is not done yet.

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> > > In my opinion Halo: 5 is the worst halo ever made, and personally I am offended by it. To me I feel 343 does not care about the Halo universe the way Bungie did. Halo: 5 has less armor customization ability than Halo: 3. What I mean by that is you can only change the entire armor set (legs, shoulders, chest all together) and the helmet. Yes, you can change the visor but big deal. Halo: 3 allowed you to change both shoulders, chest, and helmet. Don’t get me started on Halo: Reach (halo customization heaven). Yes, Halo: 5 has a lot of armor to choose from (and I mean a lot) however, most of it is recycled garbage. 343 seems to have shown no effort or creativity with the armor.
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> > > The campaign in my opinion was utter -Yoink-; it was too short and ended terribly, and let’s not forget the fact that the previews for Halo: 5 were NO WHERE near accurate to the campaign. I feel 343 is just trying to get as much money as possible, something that can be seen with the new REQ system which allows you to buy the packs, making unlocking new armor pointless, and not even a challenge. I cannot begin to express how frustrated and down right upset the lack of effort that was put into this game makes me.
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> > > I feel Halo: 5 was a giant middle finger to the Halo community and we all sat on it. There’s so much more that is just terrible about this game, and you all know what those things are. We all have our own opinions. Some of the things I hate you may love. I do love some features of Halo: 5 but, they aren’t enough to save it for me. I want to hear what you think. What’s your opinion on the game?
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> > The 343 fan boys need not even read your post to be confronted with the absolute HARD FACTS which is Halo 5 is an utter failure in terms of player retention.
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> > Facts are Facts boys and girls and you CANNOT argue them (although the knuckle heads will try their very hardest…& we all know who they are).
> > Halo 5 limped up to 9th place when the MoR update rolled out. 2 days later…TWO FLIP’N DAYS LATER it dropped out of the top 10 AGAIN! Ya know what that means??? It means no one is impressed nor wants to continue to play this PoS game. I get faster matches in Halo REACH with just 130 players playing in a certain game type (at the time there was a total population of ~ 9000 players). Chew on that for a while :wink:
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> > That is pretty damn sad. Currently it is in 13th place. Too bad we can’t place a LMFAO emogee cause that’s what this excuse of a game needs.
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> lololol, people really care about top 10 soo much on this forum, they can’t enjoy a game, unless it is in the top 10? i get a lot of garbage for my opinions, but you HAVE to be trolling because you sound like a six year old right now.

Denial. Facts are facts junior. No trolling, just clearing things up for those who can’t see or don’t want to see the facts…

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I´m a big fan of Halo games, for me, there is not a bad halo game but i think that microsoft and halo have everything to become the game of year. i guess, isn´t a bad game but could be to much better

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I agree and disagree. Message me for a chat

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the worst Halo, but it’s still a good game. The multiplayer is its saving grace. Probably the best, or second best in the franchise.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The campaign was a disaster, simply put. Before this, Halo 4’s campaign was the weakest, but now Halo 4’s campaign feels really good in comparison.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn’t call a multiplayer that forces you to play sweaty a good one.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what dos this even mean? That the MP is too tense? Theres plenty of casual modes like warzone and BTB
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means there always skill based matchmaking in effect. He can go into BTB and still get destroyed if he’s not staying on the top of his game. Social in Halo 5 is social only in name. It’s not just a mindset like some people think it is, it was also a more casual experience because the matchmaking allowed it to be.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halo 3 did the same thing I believe. The only difference is that you didn’t accidentally find your rank on your Service Record.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Social Gaming was always social in name. All loose matchmaking does is allow high ranking players to match up with low ranking players and pubstomp, and then we’d be getting complaints about that.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Social is a mindset, because all that’s needed to break it is people who play seriously.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > False. Loose matchmaking restrictions allows you to play at your leisure, not have to play your best all game. Is there a top level player on the other team? That’s fine, because everyone else is of varying skill. You’re not playing against an entire team that’s your skill level or higher, there are people beneath you as well. If people needed to warm up or just lay back for a game where they could do decently without getting destroyed, Social was the answer. That’s no longer the case.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s why there was never any complaints of these supposed pub stompings you’re talking about. It’s a proven system and your hypothetical issues were never a problem.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loose matchmaking only allows you to play at your leisure if you’re at the upper end of the curve. If you’re at the lower end of the curve, then the chances of being outranked gets higher.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I have a party full of Onyx players, which is more likely to happen? Being ranked with similar onyx players, or being ranked with anyone from Bronze to Platinum?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Likewise, if I have a party of Bronze/Silver players, which is more likely to happen? Being ranked with similar Bronze/Silver players, or being matched with anyone from Silver to Onyx?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if I was Bronze/Silver solo queueing, the chances of someone on the opposing team being the same low rank is slim, and each engagement would be me trying my best against a better player.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why we have ranks everywhere to begin with. If you want to warm up and not take things seriously, then simply don’t take things seriously. Your rank will soon reflect that.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, that’s gonna happen is a bunch of good players play a “Social game” to the best of their abilities, and everyone else is going to either try equally as hard or lose.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason why you didn’t see pubstomping (as often) in earlier games was because they had an actual Ranking system (H2, H3, Arena in Reach), or the competitive side was shafted, making the entire game social (Reach, H4, MCC pre-TU)
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You’re still arguing hypotheticals that have already been proven wrong. Were you not around for much of H2 or H3?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halo 5 has a ranking system also, so I’m not sure how that’s relevant.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of Halo 2 & 3 had a ranking system that worked. Other than Team Training, BTB, or something similar.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don’t see how a party of Onyx players is a hypothetical situation, nor is being a low ranking player in Social. Those sound more than likely, if anything.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that the situation is hypothetical, the supposed problems are hypothetical and have been proved otherwise.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you implying that H5’s ranking system doesn’t’ work? Regardless, your hypothetical problems are less likely to happen in H5 because teams dominate in Arena. They won’t be spending their time pub stomping in social because they already have an advantage in Arena (because of no party matching) where they can rank up. Social is typically for people playing alone or small parties. The divide would be even more defined in H5 than in past games.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said “previous games”, which is why I gave Halo 2 to MCC
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you talking about? These problems are more likely to happen in Social playlists if they already dominate in Arena. Now they have a way to freely fight players that are much lower in rank. They don’t even need smurf accounts anymore. They have a playlist of “casual people” and are even encouraged to play it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *“Social is typically for people playing alone or small parties.”*Keyword: “typically”. Social can’t and won’t stop large parties that make up a team, and now they have both the party advantage and the rank advantage, better than they ever had in Arena.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Destroy casuals in social for what? Nothing. And they’re not even guaranteed to be playing all lower levels. In ranked they get something for dominating. In social they get nothing for it, it pointless.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would still not be a problem in H5 just like it wasn’t in every previous game. The lack of party matching would make it even less likely to happen. No problem you’re suggesting were a problem in previous games. Party’s would still go in to social to warm up or play casually and the same would happen here. Not sure why you’re still acting like social in H2 and H3 was a failed experiment when none of that -Yoink- was problem.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it’s a good thing that, on average, only 5% of people have Onyx in any one playlist, let alone all of them at once. Your hypothetical is the Halo 3 equivalent of a team of four with 50’s in every single playlist only playing social. I guess it’s a good thing the odds of that happening are mind numbingly small. It’s also a good thing that ranks reset every month too, huh?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Again, ALL of this could have happen in past games and didn’t. It’s as simple as that. How are you not getting this?
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> > > > > > > > > > > You only have to be Onyx in any one playlist, and even then, Onyx was an example. All you have to be is better than average, the higher rank you are, the higher chance you’ll find players that are average or lower. The inverse is true as well.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Ranks reset every month, but your new rank is partially dependent on your old rank, placing you near the same anyway.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The reason this didn’t happen so often in Halo 2 and Halo 3 is because even “Social” Games were ranked in some way, preventing this very thing from happening.
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> > > > > > > > > > Social games used the same matching system as ranked games, the restrictions were just looser. That’s why it worked. If Halo 5 did the same thing, it would work the same way. Just match based on the hidden rank that determines who you match in ranked games just make the restrictions looser. Exactly like Halo 3.
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> > > > > > I go by what the masses say, not the individual. If people insist things are to tight, than that’s probably the case. It’s not like 343 tells us how any of these system works behind the scenes. If they did that for anything, there’d be a lot less arguing, but 343 would rather keep us in the dark.
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> > > > I frequent a few different Halo forums. The opinions of all the people that say it’s too tight mean more than just what you say.
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> > > Nobody has ever said that, just you, you’re just a troll who likes to argue
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> > False. As with many things apparently, you seem to be ignorant of this as well.
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Here. I hope you’re a man of your word, but something tells me you’re not.

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My favorite multiplayer experience so far, with the only complaints being a lack of customization. The campaign story wasn’t the best, but playing it was fine and fun. So, I don’t think this is the worst at all.

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I have been playing halo 5 nonstop for months. I tell myself I enjoy it, and for the most part, I do.

I I enjoy how smooth it is to literally look at, I enjoy breakout immensely, and I enjoy infection. Unfortunately… That’s about it.

last night, a friend convinced me to buy the BC Halo: Reach. I had to install it twice to work.

when I finally played, there was some readjusting, but my god! Over 10,000 people are still on the multiplayer! I was also pleased to remember how unforgiving halo reach was with aim assist. If you miss a shot, you MISS, and you DIE. There’s not bs with a headshot registering if the bullet goes past the ear (over the shoulder, in other words).

The maps are so good. Especially in BTB. And the vehicles! I enjoyed the falcon, I flew with the banshee (which flies so much smoother by the way. 343 has never nailed the banshee). Vehicles weren’t paper mache pieces of crap waiting to explode.

this will sound stupid, but it had breakable glass, which does change gameplay (sword base).

the grenade launcher.

Different gametypes galore!!! Infection, invasion, BTB, classics, rumble pit, team slayer, team objective, multi team, that’s not even half!!

and then game modes… How I missed headhunter, assault, oddball, King of the hill.

We really Got jipped in Halo 5. Like yeah the gameplay is smooth, but that’s about it! There’s no point in having smooth gameplay, if there’s hardly anything TO play… You see what I mean?

Also… ALL THE MAPS. There are SO. MANY. And they are original, which is so important. None of this “1 map @ DLC” or “Remade map of 1 map @ DLC(torque)”

TLDR, went back and played halo reach, remembered what a “full” halo game is. Not bare minimum bits and scrapes at the bottom of a barrel.

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> Personally I have a blast. The multiplayer is perhaps the most balanced out of almost any game out there. Despite I disagree with parts of the story, the campaign was fun. The campaign is still better than Battlefield 4’s campaign and it is looks like a master piece compared to Black Ops 3 campaign which became the first Call of Duty to get me really really bored. I can’t pick the best or worse Halo. It is like choosing best or worst choclate ice creams for me. Is it perfect, no. Is it fun, hell yes.

haha love the comparing to ice cream, nicely said

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is there anyone else here who is tired of having to type long as paragraphs to explain to stubborn people that halo 5 is not as bad as they make it seem? I personally am

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> I have been playing halo 5 nonstop for months. I tell myself I enjoy it, and for the most part, I do.
> I I enjoy how smooth it is to literally look at, I enjoy breakout immensely, and I enjoy infection. Unfortunately… That’s about it.
> last night, a friend convinced me to buy the BC Halo: Reach. I had to install it twice to work.
> when I finally played, there was some readjusting, but my god! Over 10,000 people are still on the multiplayer! I was also pleased to remember how unforgiving halo reach was with aim assist. If you miss a shot, you MISS, and you DIE. There’s not bs with a headshot registering if the bullet goes past the ear (over the shoulder, in other words).
> The maps are so good. Especially in BTB. And the vehicles! I enjoyed the falcon, I flew with the banshee (which flies so much smoother by the way. 343 has never nailed the banshee). Vehicles weren’t paper mache pieces of crap waiting to explode.
> this will sound stupid, but it had breakable glass, which does change gameplay (sword base).
> the grenade launcher.
> Different gametypes galore!!! Infection, invasion, BTB, classics, rumble pit, team slayer, team objective, multi team, that’s not even half!!
> and then game modes… How I missed headhunter, assault, oddball, King of the hill.
> We really Got jipped in Halo 5. Like yeah the gameplay is smooth, but that’s about it! There’s no point in having smooth gameplay, if there’s hardly anything TO play… You see what I mean?
> Also… ALL THE MAPS. There are SO. MANY. And they are original, which is so important. None of this “1 map @ DLC” or “Remade map of 1 map @ DLC(torque)”
> TLDR, went back and played halo reach, remembered what a “full” halo game is. Not bare minimum bits and scrapes at the bottom of a barrel.

I know EXACTLY what you mean!
I dropped this -Yoink!- of a game (H5) a few months after playing it. I play MCC and REACH now. Mostly REACH.

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> I I enjoy how smooth it is to literally look at, I enjoy breakout immensely, and I enjoy infection. Unfortunately… That’s about it.
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> last night, a friend convinced me to buy the BC Halo: Reach. I had to install it twice to work.
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> when I finally played, there was some readjusting, but my god! Over 10,000 people are still on the multiplayer! I was also pleased to remember how unforgiving halo reach was with aim assist. If you miss a shot, you MISS, and you DIE. There’s not bs with a headshot registering if the bullet goes past the ear (over the shoulder, in other words).
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> The maps are so good. Especially in BTB. And the vehicles! I enjoyed the falcon, I flew with the banshee (which flies so much smoother by the way. 343 has never nailed the banshee). Vehicles weren’t paper mache pieces of crap waiting to explode.
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> this will sound stupid, but it had breakable glass, which does change gameplay (sword base).
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> the grenade launcher.
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> Different gametypes galore!!! Infection, invasion, BTB, classics, rumble pit, team slayer, team objective, multi team, that’s not even half!!
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> and then game modes… How I missed headhunter, assault, oddball, King of the hill.
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> We really Got jipped in Halo 5. Like yeah the gameplay is smooth, but that’s about it! There’s no point in having smooth gameplay, if there’s hardly anything TO play… You see what I mean?
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> Also… ALL THE MAPS. There are SO. MANY. And they are original, which is so important. None of this “1 map @ DLC” or “Remade map of 1 map @ DLC(torque)”
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> TLDR, went back and played halo reach, remembered what a “full” halo game is. Not bare minimum bits and scrapes at the bottom of a barrel.

I’ll agree reach was a full content game but it ruined competitive play and those many maps were ripped from campaign, they’re just as good as 343 remixing maps.

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> > As to the comment on campaign it took me 4 hours 30 minuets or there about and i have evidence it was meant to be longer (here) also the 3 missions which just talked to people made me sick they such not be in a Halo game.
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> What the hell were you playing on ? Easy ? I started on Legendary and it took me a good 14 hours.

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Retrieving Data… yes, it’s the worst halo game.

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I love halo 5 alot, because halo is becoming more of a’n open game whith updates evry month.So no, i find halo 5 one of the finest games made by 343 industries.

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> How many of These threads are opened per week? Geez the game has been out for ages now, get over it or buy something else to Play, god its almost halo 6 time. I am enjoying the hell out of Guardians.

the standard gap between Halo’s is 2 to 3 years so Halo 6 will be in 2017 or 2018.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the worst Halo, but it’s still a good game. The multiplayer is its saving grace. Probably the best, or second best in the franchise.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The campaign was a disaster, simply put. Before this, Halo 4’s campaign was the weakest, but now Halo 4’s campaign feels really good in comparison.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn’t call a multiplayer that forces you to play sweaty a good one.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what dos this even mean? That the MP is too tense? Theres plenty of casual modes like warzone and BTB
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means there always skill based matchmaking in effect. He can go into BTB and still get destroyed if he’s not staying on the top of his game. Social in Halo 5 is social only in name. It’s not just a mindset like some people think it is, it was also a more casual experience because the matchmaking allowed it to be.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halo 3 did the same thing I believe. The only difference is that you didn’t accidentally find your rank on your Service Record.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Social Gaming was always social in name. All loose matchmaking does is allow high ranking players to match up with low ranking players and pubstomp, and then we’d be getting complaints about that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Social is a mindset, because all that’s needed to break it is people who play seriously.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > False. Loose matchmaking restrictions allows you to play at your leisure, not have to play your best all game. Is there a top level player on the other team? That’s fine, because everyone else is of varying skill. You’re not playing against an entire team that’s your skill level or higher, there are people beneath you as well. If people needed to warm up or just lay back for a game where they could do decently without getting destroyed, Social was the answer. That’s no longer the case.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s why there was never any complaints of these supposed pub stompings you’re talking about. It’s a proven system and your hypothetical issues were never a problem.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loose matchmaking only allows you to play at your leisure if you’re at the upper end of the curve. If you’re at the lower end of the curve, then the chances of being outranked gets higher.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I have a party full of Onyx players, which is more likely to happen? Being ranked with similar onyx players, or being ranked with anyone from Bronze to Platinum?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Likewise, if I have a party of Bronze/Silver players, which is more likely to happen? Being ranked with similar Bronze/Silver players, or being matched with anyone from Silver to Onyx?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if I was Bronze/Silver solo queueing, the chances of someone on the opposing team being the same low rank is slim, and each engagement would be me trying my best against a better player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why we have ranks everywhere to begin with. If you want to warm up and not take things seriously, then simply don’t take things seriously. Your rank will soon reflect that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, that’s gonna happen is a bunch of good players play a “Social game” to the best of their abilities, and everyone else is going to either try equally as hard or lose.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason why you didn’t see pubstomping (as often) in earlier games was because they had an actual Ranking system (H2, H3, Arena in Reach), or the competitive side was shafted, making the entire game social (Reach, H4, MCC pre-TU)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You’re still arguing hypotheticals that have already been proven wrong. Were you not around for much of H2 or H3?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Halo 5 has a ranking system also, so I’m not sure how that’s relevant.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of Halo 2 & 3 had a ranking system that worked. Other than Team Training, BTB, or something similar.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don’t see how a party of Onyx players is a hypothetical situation, nor is being a low ranking player in Social. Those sound more than likely, if anything.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that the situation is hypothetical, the supposed problems are hypothetical and have been proved otherwise.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you implying that H5’s ranking system doesn’t’ work? Regardless, your hypothetical problems are less likely to happen in H5 because teams dominate in Arena. They won’t be spending their time pub stomping in social because they already have an advantage in Arena (because of no party matching) where they can rank up. Social is typically for people playing alone or small parties. The divide would be even more defined in H5 than in past games.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said “previous games”, which is why I gave Halo 2 to MCC
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you talking about? These problems are more likely to happen in Social playlists if they already dominate in Arena. Now they have a way to freely fight players that are much lower in rank. They don’t even need smurf accounts anymore. They have a playlist of “casual people” and are even encouraged to play it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *“Social is typically for people playing alone or small parties.”*Keyword: “typically”. Social can’t and won’t stop large parties that make up a team, and now they have both the party advantage and the rank advantage, better than they ever had in Arena.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Destroy casuals in social for what? Nothing. And they’re not even guaranteed to be playing all lower l
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lack of party matching would make it even less likely to happen. No problem you’re suggesting were a problem in previous games. Party’s would still go in to social to warm up or play casually and the same would happen here. Not sure why you’re still acting like social in H2 and H3 was a failed experiment when none of that -Yoink- was problem.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it’s a good thing that, on average, only 5% of people have Onyx in any one playlist, let alone all of them at once. Your hypothetical is the Halo 3 equivalent of a team of four with 50’s in every single playlist only playing social. I guess it’s a good thing the odds of that happening are mind numbingly small. It’s also a good thing that ranks reset every month too, huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, ALL of this could have happen in past games and didn’t. It’s as simple as that. How are you not getting this?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > You only have to be Onyx in any one playlist, and even then, Onyx was an example. All you have to be is better than average, the higher rank you are, the higher chance you’ll find players that are average or lower. The inverse is true as well.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Ranks reset every month, but your new rank is partially dependent on your old rank, placinhhhhhhhbbfhnbgybffyhvcghbfhoiijbbghg you near the same anyway.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The reason this didn’t happen so often in Halo 2 and Halo 3 is because even “Social” Games were ranked in some way, preventing this very thing from happening.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Social games used the same matching system as ranked games, the restrictions were just looser. That’s why it worked. If Halo 5 did the same thing, it would work the same way. Just match based on the hidden rank that determines who you match in ranked games just make the restrictions looser. Exactly like Halo 3.
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> > > > > > > I go by what the masses say, not the individual. If people insist things are to tight, than that’s probably the case. It’s not like 343 tells us how any of these system works behind the scenes. If they did that for anything, there’d be a lot less arguing, but 343 would rather keep us in the dark.
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> > > > > I frequent a few different Halo forums. The opinions of all the people that say it’s too tight mean more than just what you say.
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> > > > Nobody has ever said that, just you, you’re just a troll who likes to argue
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> > > False. As with many things apparently, you seem to be ignorant of this as well.
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> > Give me evidence and I’ll shut up.
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> Here. I hope you’re a man of your word, but something tells me you’re not.

I ask for evidence and you give me a single man’s opinion and for all i know that man is you, nice one. I’ll shut up anyways, there’s no point in continuing an arguement I’ve already won, bubye. :slight_smile: