Halo 4 months from release, we have only seen 1 Vidoc with not even 1 minute of gameplay and we have very little info about the game in general YET people in the Community are calling it “halo Reach 2.0” and writing it off as some Cod rip off or something so my question is who fault is it? the community’s fault for over reacting to TINY amounts of info OR 343 for not releasing enough info and not being very clear about the info they have released my personal opinion is it’s 100 percent the community fault but i would like to hear your input.
Its the community. People think they know everything about the progression system simply based on what they know about COD. People have absolutely no idea how 343 is implementing this system yet they constantly push this as something that will break halo lol.
The whole community isnt like this of course but there are a decent number of people on this “Perks will break halo 4” bandwagon. And if you tell them that 343 said they arent like perks and that they will be balanced, the haters will just tell you that 343 is lying to sell the game.
I actually think it’s both. The community is definitely overreacting to everything, but I feel like the people at 343 are shooting themselves in the foot by not explaining things, because they’re letting everyone freak out and jump to conclusions, they’re doing nothing to save their reputation.
> Its the community. People think they know everything about the progression system simply based on what they know about COD. People have absolutely no idea how 343 is implementing this system yet they constantly push this as something that will break halo lol.
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> The whole community isnt like this of course but there are a decent number of people on this “Perks will break halo 4” bandwagon. And if you tell them that 343 said they arent like perks and that they will be balanced, the haters will just tell you that 343 is lying to sell the game.
Pretty much this. People are afraid of change and refuse to accept the idea that change is something that will be good for Halo. I don’t want to sound insulting, but the community has never been the most mature out there, which is a shame due to Halo being such a great series.
However, we also need to keep in mind that, out of the hundreds of thousands of Halo players, only about 150 of these are active members on these forums. What’s said on here definitely does not represent the thoughts of most Halo players.
> Its the community. People think they know everything about the progression system simply based on what they know about COD. People have absolutely no idea how 343 is implementing this system yet they constantly push this as something that will break halo lol.
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> The whole community isnt like this of course but there are a decent number of people on this “Perks will break halo 4” bandwagon. And if you tell them that 343 said they arent like perks and that they will be balanced, the haters will just tell you that 343 is lying to sell the game.
No point of even talking to people like that because you’re telling them facts while they give you assumptions and it’s a very small bit of the community who even believe Frankie which is sad also like 75 percent of the people here think they are “gamer gods” and think what they say will make the game 10 times better then what 343 can make.
> > Its the community. People think they know everything about the progression system simply based on what they know about COD. People have absolutely no idea how 343 is implementing this system yet they constantly push this as something that will break halo lol.
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> > The whole community isnt like this of course but there are a decent number of people on this “Perks will break halo 4” bandwagon. And if you tell them that 343 said they arent like perks and that they will be balanced, the haters will just tell you that 343 is lying to sell the game.
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> No point of even talking to people like that because you’re telling them facts while they give you assumptions and it’s a very small bit of the community who even believe Frankie which is sad also like 75 percent of the people here think they are “gamer gods” and think what they say will make the game 10 times better then what 343 can make.
Of course, those “gamer gods” would probably make a terrible game that only has the BR and Sniper Rifle in it that doesn’t appeal to anybody except the “SUPER PRO HARDCORE GAMERS”.
> > Its the community. People think they know everything about the progression system simply based on what they know about COD. People have absolutely no idea how 343 is implementing this system yet they constantly push this as something that will break halo lol.
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> > The whole community isnt like this of course but there are a decent number of people on this “Perks will break halo 4” bandwagon. And if you tell them that 343 said they arent like perks and that they will be balanced, the haters will just tell you that 343 is lying to sell the game.
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> No point of even talking to people like that because you’re telling them facts while they give you assumptions and it’s a very small bit of the community who even believe Frankie which is sad also like 75 percent of the people here think they are “gamer gods” and think what they say will make the game 10 times better then what 343 can make.
I agree.
> > Its the community. People think they know everything about the progression system simply based on what they know about COD. People have absolutely no idea how 343 is implementing this system yet they constantly push this as something that will break halo lol.
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> > The whole community isnt like this of course but there are a decent number of people on this “Perks will break halo 4” bandwagon. And if you tell them that 343 said they arent like perks and that they will be balanced, the haters will just tell you that 343 is lying to sell the game.
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> No point of even talking to people like that because you’re telling them facts while they give you assumptions and it’s a very small bit of the community who even believe Frankie which is sad also like 75 percent of the people here think they are “gamer gods” and think what they say will make the game 10 times better then what 343 can make.
yeah I learned that the hard way lol. I always have time between classes and at this point in the semester I am ahead of alot of the lessons so I have time for video game stuff =P
So i come here always hoping for some kind of conversation about all the fun things we might want to do in halo 4 but EVERY thread i go in is a thread bashing halo 4 and i just got so sick of it I started disproving these assumptions by demanding proof lol I ask them to prove to me this and prove to me that, and they never can. They just say "blah blah i have been gaming for this long and blah blah cod and blah blah perks.
But I know 343 will do right by halo. I cant prove that they will but seeing is how a simple TU was able to pull reach from the low spot it was, to number 5 on xbox live im confident they will do big things with halo 4 
Im also happy to have been able to add the clear minded members of this forum to my friends list to play halo with ( ^ - ^ )
> I actually think it’s both. The community is definitely overreacting to everything, but I feel like the people at 343 are shooting themselves in the foot by not explaining things, because they’re letting everyone freak out and jump to conclusions, they’re doing nothing to save their reputation.
Believe me 343’s word is nothing to these people that are againts halo 4. I have quoted frankie many times in arguments and all the haters reply is “343 will tell you anything to sell their game”
So even if 343 said something against this the hating group of the community wouldnt accept it as the truth. Besides 343’s reputation isnt in trouble at all lol. This forum represends less than 1% of the people that play halo and is in no way a reflection of the fanbase opinion
It’s definitely the community. There’s no question.
I’d just like to point out that while yes the boards dont represent the community, neither does the people online playing Reach… Reach has around 100K people online during peak hours…those people are some of the few who enjoy Reach or are dealing with it till H4. So the cause for concern on the board is that drastic change drove away the majority of online Halo players.
So is the problem the game or the community? Neither. The problem is Reach. Reach left a bitter taste in many players mouths and until they see something that proves 100% they arent going to be handed something even remotely similar they are going to voice there concern…and rightfully so in my opinion…Change isn’t bad, Unnecessary and risky change is bad, especially when coming off a game that had a less than stellar showing.
> > > Its the community. People think they know everything about the progression system simply based on what they know about COD. People have absolutely no idea how 343 is implementing this system yet they constantly push this as something that will break halo lol.
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> > > The whole community isnt like this of course but there are a decent number of people on this “Perks will break halo 4” bandwagon. And if you tell them that 343 said they arent like perks and that they will be balanced, the haters will just tell you that 343 is lying to sell the game.
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> > No point of even talking to people like that because you’re telling them facts while they give you assumptions and it’s a very small bit of the community who even believe Frankie which is sad also like 75 percent of the people here think they are “gamer gods” and think what they say will make the game 10 times better then what 343 can make.
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> yeah I learned that the hard way lol. I always have time between classes and at this point in the semester I am ahead of alot of the lessons so I have time for video game stuff =P
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> So i come here always hoping for some kind of conversation about all the fun things we might want to do in halo 4 but EVERY thread i go in is a thread bashing halo 4 and i just got so sick of it I started disproving these assumptions by demanding proof lol I ask them to prove to me this and prove to me that, and they never can. They just say "blah blah i have been gaming for this long and blah blah cod and blah blah perks.
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> But I know 343 will do right by halo. I cant prove that they will but seeing is how a simple TU was able to pull reach from the low spot it was, to number 5 on xbox live im confident they will do big things with halo 4 Im also happy to have been able to add the clear minded members of this forum to my friends list to play halo with ( ^ - ^ )
Well it’s rare to find people who are thinking positive about Halo 4 right now so I’m happy i found some people here like that and Yea 343 will do right i can feel it they are focusing hard on their first Halo game and trying not to mess up i think that’s why they are trying to zone this community out lol
> > Its the community. People think they know everything about the progression system simply based on what they know about COD. People have absolutely no idea how 343 is implementing this system yet they constantly push this as something that will break halo lol.
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> > The whole community isnt like this of course but there are a decent number of people on this “Perks will break halo 4” bandwagon. And if you tell them that 343 said they arent like perks and that they will be balanced, the haters will just tell you that 343 is lying to sell the game.
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> Pretty much this. People are afraid of change and refuse to accept the idea that change is something that will be good for Halo. I don’t want to sound insulting, but the community has never been the most mature out there, which is a shame due to Halo being such a great series.
People are not necessarily afraid of change. They are afraid of bad change. The change we saw in Reach was one that was not that great of a change. The community is now being a little more wary and guarded about trusting the developers. We are not going to take everything that they say as truthful because they are really just trying to market their game. The best way to market your game is to make it sound as awesome as possible. Bungie did that with Reach, and we trusted them. Halo fans are not going to blindly follow along anymore.
I, for one, am more worried than outraged. I have not given up on Halo yet because we have barely heard anything. Although the stuff that we did hear about has made me worried. So I will be waiting for more information, and actual gameplay footage before I make my decision.
There are a few things that worry me the most. Sprint, armour customization affecting gameplay, a progression ranking system, random power weapon timers, power weapon waypoints, customizable loadouts, BR recoil, etc. These are things that I am waiting for 343i to clarify. I want to know how these will work, and I want 343i to prove to me that they are balanced. I want them to show me that they will work at a competitive level.
There are a lot of people in the same boat as me. They may not express themselves the best way possible, but the point still stands. We are worried about the future of Halo. We are going to be cautious when receiving information. We may still pre-order the game, but it won’t be nearly as blindly as before.
Also, blindly hating anyone who objects to these “changes” doesn’t look good on you guys. We may not know how they will work in Halo 4, but we have seen them in other games and we didn’t like them there.
> I’d just like to point out that while yes the boards dont represent the community, neither does the people online playing Reach… Reach has around 100K people online during peak hours…those people are some of the few who enjoy Reach or are dealing with it till H4. So the cause for concern on the board is that drastic change drove away the majority of online Halo players.
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> So is the problem the game or the community? Neither. The problem is Reach. Reach left a bitter taste in many players mouths and until they see something that proves 100% they arent going to be handed something even remotely similar they are going to voice there concern…and rightfully so in my opinion…Change isn’t bad, Unnecessary and risky change is bad, especially when coming off a game that had a less than stellar showing.
I know that but i’ve seen on youtube videos and spoke to people online and I’m also getting negative things said about Halo 4 sorry for not pointing out exactly what i meant and ok so Reach did leave a bad taste in peoples months but 343 has taken bloom out which was a problem for people(i don’t know why) and took alot of other bad things from Reach out as well as added the BR back(which EVERYONE wanted back) and other things have not been yet announced but people ignore the positives and attack the negatives how is that fair or even right?
> I’d just like to point out that while yes the boards dont represent the community, neither does the people online playing Reach… Reach has around 100K people online during peak hours…those people are some of the few who enjoy Reach or are dealing with it till H4. So the cause for concern on the board is that drastic change drove away the majority of online Halo players.
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> So is the problem the game or the community? Neither. The problem is Reach. Reach left a bitter taste in many players mouths and until they see something that proves 100% they arent going to be handed something even remotely similar they are going to voice there concern…and rightfully so in my opinion…Change isn’t bad, Unnecessary and risky change is bad, especially when coming off a game that had a less than stellar showing.
Um halo reach has arond 500,000 players at the 24 hour mark.
The players online at its peak hours dont really mean thats all that was on all day lol. Due to different time zones around the world you have to use the 24 HOUR counter to determine how popular halo reach is.
Half a million play in total every day and it is number 5 on the xbox live most played chart. That is in now way bad numbers lol Reach is doing just fine considering halo 3 at its peak had a little over 600,000 on every 24 hours.
It is mainly the community but like many people say only a select few.
There seem to be a lot of threads jumping to conclusion on issues which I’m not going to name based on little to no information. They claim that they know what’s best for Halo because they have played since CE or in comparison to other games on the market. The simple fact is is that no one knows what Halo 4 is really going to be yet. We’ve seen around 30 secs of actual gameplay footage and I can’t believe my eyes when I see “Halo 4 is not Halo”, ALREADY!
I always state that everyone has a right to their opinion but for some people it isn’t an opinion, it’s an outrageous claim centred around their emotions. I really don’t see the harm in waiting for solid information and decent answers that will officially show what Halo 4 is going to be, how it’s going to play. Then, and only then will I have appropriate respect for those who do not like the game.
For the record. I do not know if Halo 4 is going to amazing, I have faith in 343i in making a decent Halo, and that’s enough for me at this time. It most likely will have things in it that I won’t like but I can’t say I will hate it at this incredibly early stage. Who knows, the game could be terrible from my perspective, when I have played it. Or it could be amazing, when I have played it.
> It is mainly the community but like many people say only a select few.
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> There seem to be a lot of threads jumping to conclusion on issues which I’m not going to name based on little to no information. They claim that they know what’s best for Halo because they have played since CE or in comparison to other games on the market. The simple fact is is that no one knows what Halo 4 is really going to be yet. We’ve seen around 30 secs of actual gameplay footage and I can’t believe my eyes when I see “Halo 4 is not Halo”, ALREADY!
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> I always state that everyone has a right to their opinion but for some people it isn’t an opinion, it’s an outrageous claim centred around their emotions. I really don’t see the harm in waiting for solid information and decent answers that will officially show what Halo 4 is going to be, how it’s going to play. Then, and only then will I have appropriate respect for those who do not like the game.
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> For the record. I do not know if Halo 4 is going to amazing, I have faith in 343i in making a decent Halo, and that’s enough for me at this time. It most likely will have things in it that I won’t like but I can’t say I will hate it at this incredibly early stage. Who knows, the game could be terrible from my perspective, when I have played it. Or it could be amazing, when I have played it.
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> > I’d just like to point out that while yes the boards dont represent the community, neither does the people online playing Reach… Reach has around 100K people online during peak hours…those people are some of the few who enjoy Reach or are dealing with it till H4. So the cause for concern on the board is that drastic change drove away the majority of online Halo players.
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> > So is the problem the game or the community? Neither. The problem is Reach. Reach left a bitter taste in many players mouths and until they see something that proves 100% they arent going to be handed something even remotely similar they are going to voice there concern…and rightfully so in my opinion…Change isn’t bad, Unnecessary and risky change is bad, especially when coming off a game that had a less than stellar showing.
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> I know that but i’ve seen on youtube videos and spoke to people online and I’m also getting negative things said about Halo 4 sorry for not pointing out exactly what i meant and ok so Reach did leave a bad taste in peoples months but 343 has taken bloom out which was a problem for people(i don’t know why) and took alot of other bad things from Reach out as well as added the BR back(which EVERYONE wanted back) and other things have not been yet announced but people ignore the positives and attack the negatives how is that fair or even right?
343i has not said that there will be no bloom. They have only stated that the BR will not have bloom. Having the BR back is nice and it has hitscan, but there are still some things that worry me about it. The reticule is huge, so does that mean that there will be crazy spread? How much recoil will it have? Will other precision weapons have bloom?
People will “attack” the negatives and ignore the positives because they will, for the most part, only say what is bothering them. Most people generally don’t know how to give great feedback(good news, bad news, good news bad news). But right now, there seems to be more bad news/question marks than good news.
> > I actually think it’s both. The community is definitely overreacting to everything, but I feel like the people at 343 are shooting themselves in the foot by not explaining things, because they’re letting everyone freak out and jump to conclusions, they’re doing nothing to save their reputation.
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> Believe me 343’s word is nothing to these people that are againts halo 4. I have quoted frankie many times in arguments and all the haters reply is “343 will tell you anything to sell their game”
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> So even if 343 said something against this the hating group of the community wouldnt accept it as the truth. Besides 343’s reputation isnt in trouble at all lol. This forum represends less than 1% of the people that play halo and is in no way a reflection of the fanbase opinion
Well, those people won’t be playing Halo 4, and that’s fine by me, because they don’t deserve it. 
> > > I’d just like to point out that while yes the boards dont represent the community, neither does the people online playing Reach… Reach has around 100K people online during peak hours…those people are some of the few who enjoy Reach or are dealing with it till H4. So the cause for concern on the board is that drastic change drove away the majority of online Halo players.
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> > > So is the problem the game or the community? Neither. The problem is Reach. Reach left a bitter taste in many players mouths and until they see something that proves 100% they arent going to be handed something even remotely similar they are going to voice there concern…and rightfully so in my opinion…Change isn’t bad, Unnecessary and risky change is bad, especially when coming off a game that had a less than stellar showing.
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> > I know that but i’ve seen on youtube videos and spoke to people online and I’m also getting negative things said about Halo 4 sorry for not pointing out exactly what i meant and ok so Reach did leave a bad taste in peoples months but 343 has taken bloom out which was a problem for people(i don’t know why) and took alot of other bad things from Reach out as well as added the BR back(which EVERYONE wanted back) and other things have not been yet announced but people ignore the positives and attack the negatives how is that fair or even right?
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> 343i has not said that there will be no bloom. They have only stated that the BR will not have bloom. Having the BR back is nice and it has hitscan, but there are still some things that worry me about it. The reticule is huge, so does that mean that there will be crazy spread? How much recoil will it have? Will other precision weapons have bloom?
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> People will “attack” the negatives and ignore the positives because they will, for the most part, only say what is bothering them. Most people generally don’t know how to give great feedback(good news, bad news, good news bad news). But right now, there seems to be more bad news/question marks than good news.
could have SWORE i saw somewhere he confirmed the DMR would have no bloom? I’ll have to look into that again and I’m sure everyone wants to know the same questions you are asking but we all have to wait and should wait before making crazy assumptions like I’ve been reading for the past week.