Is Halo 4 as mindless as it sounds?

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Alright, so I havent bought the game yet.

I realise there are gametypes that suit me better (IE, Super Slayer) but I’m concerned about the rest of the gametypes.

They sound mindless. Just another point and shoot with little to no tactical depth at all. One thing I really, really like about halo, is that it is one of few games where to do well you actually have to think. But from what I’ve heard, Halo 4 doesn;t have that.

Friendly Fire: An essential for halo. With weapons such as Sticky detonator, rocket launcher, inciniary cannon, grenades and various other explosive things, FF just really makes you think about how you use them. It just added a nice balance so that I can’t spam down hallways with any given explosive weapon and not worry about reprecussions.

Maps: Alright, I’ve heard good things about Haven, but the rest of them seem to be problematic. From what I’ve heard, theres no good holding points/places to control. I’m not talking camping or anything, but keeping control of areas via patrolling and holding pathways of main use has always been something halo has done well.

In halo 4 however, I’ve heard this is no longer the case. I’m concerned by this, as that is yet another lack of tactical depth that I am seeing.

Ordinance: Not a terrible idea, save for one thing. The good player will go on a massive onslaught without worry. Why? Because every 5-10 kills he can call down powerweapon after powerweapon, or extra damage or oversheilds. Will he have to think about when he calls them down? Yest, but now he won’t even half to fight for the guns or worry about getting it first. His enemys will be dead and he can just keep slaughtering them because they won’t have weapons of thier own. And, he will get more ammo without ever having to strategically plan for how he will get the next weapon delivered to his doorstep.

I’ve always looked at halo as a very tactical and strategic game. No longer.

And while I know one playlist doesn’t have these things (the playlist I will always be on, I might add) I just feel that they’ve really lowered the bar on how competitve and tactical the game is.

Can anyone confirm this for me? I’ll be buying the game anyway, of course, but I’d like to here thoughts on these issues by a person who has the game.

Thanks!

Silent

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Yeah, it doesn’t feel as tactical as past Halo games, especially since you have no way of knowing what weapons your opponent will have ahead of time.

Someone could throw two grenades at you, then you could come out of cover and shoot at them, believing that they are all out of Frags, but then they threw a third thanks to the Perks that they have.

Infinity Slayer feels REALLY random and chaotic. If you’re like me and you preferred Super Slayer/Arena in Reach, then I’d recommend Team Slayer Pro or Swat, where it’s just Pure Halo.

However, I really wish 343 will implement a “Regular” Team Slayer playlist for those who aren’t looking for the randomness of Infinity Slayer, but are not really keen on the barebones-ness of TSP.

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Capture the Flag is more fun than ever and is my favorite playlist by far. No Ordnance drops, either.

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Yes it is very mindless and random. The so called true skill doesnt work like everyone in this community claimed it wouldnt. You either get matched up with a team you will destroy or a team that will completely destroy you. The gameplay itself is awesome but i fear another week and I will be bored to the point of buying black ops. There is nothing in this game to keep people playing past a few weeks, and their xp cap just encourages players to get off when they reach it. 343 needs to step it up

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> Capture the Flag is more fun than ever and is my favorite playlist by far. No Ordnance drops, either.

This post is true^^^ CTF is the most competitive playlist so far, only because really bad teams can hold off really good teams with the way the flags and bases and power vehicles are set up. But its still fun

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> Yes it is very mindless and random. The so called true skill doesnt work like everyone in this community claimed it wouldnt. You either get matched up with a team you will destroy or a team that will completely destroy you. The gameplay itself is awesome but i fear another week and I will be bored to the point of buying black ops. There is nothing in this game to keep people playing past a few weeks, and their xp cap just encourages players to get off when they reach it. 343 needs to step it up

Good to know. The true skill system is being released early january if I recall (at least, the actual ranking system is). But I see the rest is as I feared…

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> Yes it is very mindless and random. The so called true skill doesnt work like everyone in this community claimed it wouldnt. <mark>You either get matched up with a team you will destroy or a team that will completely destroy you.</mark> The gameplay itself is awesome but i fear another week and I will be bored to the point of buying black ops. There is nothing in this game to keep people playing past a few weeks, and their xp cap just encourages players to get off when they reach it. 343 needs to step it up

the part that i highlighted isnt true, i remember playing btb and having a 1000-990 game twice yesterday or the day before the skill system does work o-o

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> Yeah, it doesn’t feel as tactical as past Halo games, especially since you have no way of knowing what weapons your opponent will have ahead of time.
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> Someone could throw two grenades at you, then you could come out of cover and shoot at them, believing that they are all out of Frags, but then they threw a third thanks to the Perks that they have.
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> Infinity Slayer feels REALLY random and chaotic. If you’re like me and you preferred Super Slayer/Arena in Reach, then I’d recommend Team Slayer Pro or Swat, where it’s just Pure Halo.
>
> However, I really wish 343 will implement a “Regular” Team Slayer playlist for those who aren’t looking for the randomness of Infinity Slayer, but are not really keen on the barebones-ness of TSP.

Very good to know. That was my intent when I saw the playlists, was to simply stick with Slayer Pro (and SWAT of course) from the beginning. I’ll try out Infinity gametypes here and there, but I find the elements they hold just kinda turn me away.

And I agree on the last part. My gripe with Slayer Pro is that it’s to constricted, and like you said it needs an in between so we can have the best of both worlds.

Thanks for the info!

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> > Yes it is very mindless and random. The so called true skill doesnt work like everyone in this community claimed it wouldnt. <mark>You either get matched up with a team you will destroy or a team that will completely destroy you.</mark> The gameplay itself is awesome but i fear another week and I will be bored to the point of buying black ops. There is nothing in this game to keep people playing past a few weeks, and their xp cap just encourages players to get off when they reach it. 343 needs to step it up
>
> the part that i highlighted isnt true, i remember playing btb and having a 1000-990 game twice yesterday or the day before the skill system does work o-o

I had a game like that too. It really does get competitive when the score is like 990 to 990. I actually never had a game where we had a huge point gap like 100 to 700, the biggest was 450 to 750.

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Binary Rifle quickscopers are really stupid. I dealt with those people before, and let me tell you, the only way you can beat them is if you use a one/two-shot weapon or if they have terrible aiming.

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Wow you couldn’t have picked a worse place to come and ask if this game is worth getting or not seriously you made a horrible choice, you’re not going to find anymore people complaining (incorrectly might I add) about a game that is AMAZING!

The game is absolutely worth getting theres barely anything wrong with it outside of the normal off launch problems for games, get it you love it I promise.

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Forums are places for discussion. Hot topics are normally controversial topics.
My point. Go by reviews from trusted gaming sites, not forums where a lot of people (whether they say good things or bad) are here for attention, flaming, and debates.

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I also don’t like all of the ordnance options, armor abilities, etc. I play Team Slayer Pro, which is just like Halo online should be. There are gametypes for just about every type of player. Overall, this is a fantastic game.

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> Forums are places for discussion. Hot topics are normally controversial topics.
> My point. Go by reviews from trusted gaming sites, not forums where a lot of people (whether they say good things or bad) are here for attention, flaming, and debates.

I’ll take that into account sabre (I have been on waypoint for months just so Y’know).

But honestly, I don’t trust reviews either. They either really over glorify things, or really underwhelm it. Theres generally no in between. This way, I get to see all sides of the spectrum, even if there will be the occasional bias.

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> Wow you couldn’t have picked a worse place to come and ask if this game is worth getting or not seriously you made a horrible choice, you’re not going to find anymore people complaining (incorrectly might I add) about a game that is AMAZING!
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> The game is absolutely worth getting theres barely anything wrong with it outside of the normal off launch problems for games, get it you love it I promise.

Going to B.Net “The Flood” would have been worse in this regard///

I knew it was worth getting. I love the forge and I know the campaign will be great. The gameplay looks crisp and clean, the problem is the lack of strategy and utter chaos. If worse comes to worse, I’ll be getting it for Campaign, spartan ops, customs and forge anyway, and that’ll be fine.

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> Yes it is very mindless and random. The so called true skill doesnt work like everyone in this community claimed it wouldnt. You either get matched up with a team you will destroy or a team that will completely destroy you. The gameplay itself is awesome but i fear another week and I will be bored to the point of buying black ops. There is nothing in this game to keep people playing past a few weeks, and their xp cap just encourages players to get off when they reach it. 343 needs to step it up

CSR is coming out please listen and read threads!

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During a game of Dominion, I accidentally betrayed my friend while simultaneously killing an enemy with the Binary Rifle. It was really epic.

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> During a game of Dominion, I accidentally betrayed my friend while simultaneously killing an enemy with the Binary Rifle. It was really epic.

Thanks for the input Lehnaru… but I’m not entirely certain what you’re getting at here…

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> > During a game of Dominion, I accidentally betrayed my friend while simultaneously killing an enemy with the Binary Rifle. It was really epic.
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> Thanks for the input Lehnaru… but I’m not entirely certain what you’re getting at here…

Friendly fire is still in some gametypes. :smiley:

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> > > During a game of Dominion, I accidentally betrayed my friend while simultaneously killing an enemy with the Binary Rifle. It was really epic.
> >
> > Thanks for the input Lehnaru… but I’m not entirely certain what you’re getting at here…
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> Friendly fire is still in some gametypes. :smiley:

Ooohhh, XD … Alright then.