There’s no doubt about it- cortana is now evil. But what if cortana was infected by the logic plague in High charity and only started feeling the effects in halo 5? Mabye she was shutting it out but when she became rampant she was too weak to stop it? Mabye.
If she was acting under the Gravemind’s orders, it seems logical that he would want control over the galaxy.
WHAT IF HE’S STILL OUT THERE?
Tell me what you think
Gravemind’s torture certainly left it’s mark to Cortana but to what extent (if at all) it’s affecting on her actions now or helping Floods return reminds to be seen.
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> There’s no doubt about it- cortana is now evil. But what if cortana was infected by the logic plague in High charity and only started feeling the effects in halo 5? Mabye she was shutting it out but when she became rampant she was too weak to stop it? Mabye.
> If she was acting under the Gravemind’s orders, it seems logical that he would want control over the galaxy.
> WHAT IF HE’S STILL OUT THERE?
> Tell me what you think
Well, theoretically, the Flood could be outside the Galaxy. Not to mention that, in reality, despite every effort, the Flood is actually undefeatable. It cannot be destroyed.
Graveminds is a phase of the Flood. Although it’s portrayed as a character in Halo 2, the Gravemind isn’t a single entity. There can be multiple Graveminds at the time, but only one per planet as far as I’m aware. They can also mutate into different forms. So, the Gravemind you’ve seen in Halo 2 and Halo 2 Anniversary wouldn’t have the same appearance as in Halo 3. In fact, High Charity itself IS the Gravemind. Even if we “destroy” High Charity at the end of Cortana, you hear Cortana say that he’s re-building itself in the new Installation 08/04B (the Halo ring you fight on the mission Halo in Halo 3).
Now, back on topic, stopping with the incredibly complex Flood lore.
It’s still unconfirmed, but very likely that she’s infected by the Logic Plague. Maybe the Flood wants to have the Prometheans fighting in it’s side to make everything easier? I REALLY want it to be confirmed. I want to believe.
I’m personally hoping that it isn’t related to the Logic Plague, but I’m pretty sure there’s only like five other people out there who agree with me, so…
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> I’m personally hoping that it isn’t related to the Logic Plague, but I’m pretty sure there’s only like five other people out there who agree with me, so…
At this rate I doubt it will be the logic plague how ever everything I’ve read about it from bias suggests that there is a strong possibility
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> I’m personally hoping that it isn’t related to the Logic Plague, but I’m pretty sure there’s only like five other people out there who agree with me, so…
I mean it depends how well they can do it. Not using that plot line is in my opinion better than implementing it poorly to the previous story.
Even if she has it the way she is following doesn’t necessarily track. I mean, when Mendicant Bias and the Ur-Didact became corrupted there was still a semblance of logic to their actions. MB was convinced through long discussion by the Primordial about the truth of the Forerunners and it found confirmation of what it said in the Domain. That’s why it turned on the Forerunners, found them unworthy of the Mantle, and felt the Flood was the true way forward for the galaxy. The Ur-Didact already looked poorly on humans after the human-Forerunner war and still believed in the Mantle, the Gravemind simply exacerbated those two mindsets. I don’t know where Cortana got her belief in the Mantle from nor her belief that AIs were being mistreated by humanity at large. Is she wrong on the latter? You could argue she has a point, but it’s one she never really fixated on outside of, perhaps, her contact with the Gravemind, but she felt its arguments were lacking and rejected them.
I guess you could say she learned it from the Domain, but we still have no real insight onto what info it has or what its liked after 100,000 years of recovery. Or why it just happened to be accessible to Cortana after the events of Halo 4 despite not being accessible during the game.
I believe that she is indeed infected with the logic plague. Her actions as of halo 5 strongly suggest this. The floods primary goal is to turn other species so that they become part of the collective and form unity throughout the galaxy, which is not far off from what cortona is currently trying to achieve. Also if mendicant bias could become infected with the logic plague I can’t imagine after spending as much time as she did with the gravenind that she would be able to avoid getting it.
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> I believe that she is indeed infected with the logic plague. Her actions as of halo 5 strongly suggest this. The floods primary goal is to turn other species so that they become part of the collective and form unity throughout the galaxy, which is not far off from what cortona is currently trying to achieve. Also if mendicant bias could become infected with the logic plague I can’t imagine after spending as much time as she did with the gravenind that she would be able to avoid getting it.
I agree, if the gravemind could turn Mendicant bias (a contender class ancilla- several AI minds working together) he would have no problem with cortana.
The latest info drop in the loot crate implies that she came into contact with an infected Covenant AI that may have contaminated her. So I’d say go with the Logic Plague.
Very likely
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> I believe that she is indeed infected with the logic plague. Her actions as of halo 5 strongly suggest this. The floods primary goal is to turn other species so that they become part of the collective and form unity throughout the galaxy, which is not far off from what cortona is currently trying to achieve. Also if mendicant bias could become infected with the logic plague I can’t imagine after spending as much time as she did with the gravenind that she would be able to avoid getting it.
That’s…not as convincing as you think. The UNSC tried to maintain unity throughout the human colonies. The Covenant tried to maintain unity throughout the Covenant’s territories. Nor is Cortana trying to create a collective, it’s a pretty clear system where AIs are on top and everybody else’s fate is tied to their whims.
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> Even if she has it the way she is following doesn’t necessarily track. I mean, when Mendicant Bias and the Ur-Didact became corrupted there was still a semblance of logic to their actions. MB was convinced through long discussion by the Primordial about the truth of the Forerunners and it found confirmation of what it said in the Domain. That’s why it turned on the Forerunners, found them unworthy of the Mantle, and felt the Flood was the true way forward for the galaxy. The Ur-Didact already looked poorly on humans after the human-Forerunner war and still believed in the Mantle, the Gravemind simply exacerbated those two mindsets. I don’t know where Cortana got her belief in the Mantle from nor her belief that AIs were being mistreated by humanity at large. Is she wrong on the latter? You could argue she has a point, but it’s one she never really fixated on outside of, perhaps, her contact with the Gravemind, but she felt its arguments were lacking and rejected them.
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> I guess you could say she learned it from the Domain, but we still have no real insight onto what info it has or what its liked after 100,000 years of recovery. Or why it just happened to be accessible to Cortana after the events of Halo 4 despite not being accessible during the game.
Her not following the pattern is not necessarily true
From what you’ve suggested the Primordial/Gravemind thing turned MB on the Forerunner, he/it also exacerbated the hate from the Ur-Didact and ancient humanity thus creating significant division and chaos from which it could then take advantage
With Cortana a similar situation has occurred in the form of her reemergence in the domain and control of the guardians which she then used to disable everyone and everything. Who but the flood would benefit from this situation?
It is a perfect plan of you think about it
Infect an advanced AI with the logic plague just enough to one day cause chaos and take control through some misunderstood ideology which would enable said AI to disable everything which in turn would enable another resurgence of Flood
From there the flood could spread with little difficulty and consume everything at its leisure
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> > Even if she has it the way she is following doesn’t necessarily track. I mean, when Mendicant Bias and the Ur-Didact became corrupted there was still a semblance of logic to their actions. MB was convinced through long discussion by the Primordial about the truth of the Forerunners and it found confirmation of what it said in the Domain. That’s why it turned on the Forerunners, found them unworthy of the Mantle, and felt the Flood was the true way forward for the galaxy. The Ur-Didact already looked poorly on humans after the human-Forerunner war and still believed in the Mantle, the Gravemind simply exacerbated those two mindsets. I don’t know where Cortana got her belief in the Mantle from nor her belief that AIs were being mistreated by humanity at large. Is she wrong on the latter? You could argue she has a point, but it’s one she never really fixated on outside of, perhaps, her contact with the Gravemind, but she felt its arguments were lacking and rejected them.
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> > I guess you could say she learned it from the Domain, but we still have no real insight onto what info it has or what its liked after 100,000 years of recovery. Or why it just happened to be accessible to Cortana after the events of Halo 4 despite not being accessible during the game.
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> Her not following the pattern is not necessarily true
> From what you’ve suggested the Primordial/Gravemind thing turned MB on the Forerunner, he/it also exacerbated the hate from the Ur-Didact and ancient humanity thus creating significant division and chaos from which it could then take advantage
> With Cortana a similar situation has occurred in the form of her reemergence in the domain and control of the guardians which she then used to disable everyone and everything. Who but the flood would benefit from this situation?
> It is a perfect plan of you think about it
> Infect an advanced AI with the logic plague just enough to one day cause chaos and take control through some misunderstood ideology which would enable said AI to disable everything which in turn would enable another resurgence of FloodFrom there the flood could spread with little difficulty and consume everything at its leisure
Which would fall apart as a plan if said AI never made it to the Domain or was terminated before said plan could be enacted. MB and the Didact gave the Flood pretty quick results.
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> Which would fall apart as a plan if said AI never made it to the Domain or was terminated before said plan could be enacted. MB and the Didact gave the Flood pretty quick results.
Additionally, the corruptions of Didact and MB only worked to the Flood’s advantage because at the time of their afflictions, the was a large Flood population running rampant through the galaxy. With Cortana, her conflict with organic sentient life would only help the Flood if there was a large infestation active somewhere in the galaxy that could capitalize on the weakened state of its enemies. But no such infestation exists that we know of; even the infestation on the Ark doesn’t really count, as it is currently contained. So if the Flood doesn’t attack soon, then Cortana will be resolved and the galaxy’s defenses will recover, either all under Cortana’s control or not. And Cortana’s proclaimed goals with the Created and the Mantle do not suggest that she would want the Flood to return, nor that she would cause an outbreak willfully. If Cortana wins, then she sets up an empire of AI and Promethean forces, which are even better suited for combating the Flood than the combined efforts of the UNSC and the remnants of the Covenant. That would make it harder for the Flood to consume the galaxy.
Yes, I believe she’s infected by the Logic Plague. I mean she did spend quite a bit of time with the Gravemind, it would make sense if she is
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> Yes, I believe she’s infected by the Logic Plague. I mean she did spend quite a bit of time with the Gravemind, it would make sense if she is
Exposure to the Gravemind =/= Logic Plague
Now, that can happen once a Gravemind reaches the Keymind stage, but it hadn’t in Halo 2-3.
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> Now, that can happen once a Gravemind reaches the Keymind stage, but it hadn’t in Halo 2-3.
But it would likely be the case, considering she’s been with him for over a month. But I’m curious. Why do you believe it could only be done if it was a Keymind? I also heard something that ATN retconned the Keyminds and that are now lower than Graveminds. Is that true?
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> > Now, that can happen once a Gravemind reaches the Keymind stage, but it hadn’t in Halo 2-3.
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> But it would likely be the case, considering she’s been with him for over a month. But I’m curious. Why do you believe it could only be done if it was a Keymind? I also heard something that ATN retconned the Keyminds and that are now lower than Graveminds. Is that true?
Because only when the Keymind stage was reached was mere exposure to the Flood introduced as a vector for logic plague infection. Also, as far as I’m aware, key mind can refer to the local coordinators for the Flood as seen in ATN and the planetary ecosystems consumed by the Flood.
Still, she may have been exposed to the Gravemind, but if she was infected than that begs the question of why the Gravemind was unable to take the Index from her. Making the Gravemind secretly infect her for some nebulous long-term plan requires a lot of coincidences and assumptions just to get off the ground.
I know this is a long shot but here’s what I think. I remember . . . There was this place somebody brought humans to. it was absolutely a torture chamber. the dude over this place held the humans as test subjects to the flood. He enjoyed watching them suffer. anyways I cant remember a lot but thousands of years later some historic AI (cant remember if it was Didact or not.) was questioned by humans about what the flood really is. the AI warned them that they might not be able to bear the truth. They didn’t listen, but they sure did after they found out the truth behind the flood. because every one whos ever known the real truth behind the flood has committed suicide. Now Iv contemplated on what that might be. I feel that grave mind might have told Cortana just a little snippet of the truth about the flood, and he might have offered her freedom of it if she were to destroy master chief. Of course Cortana would have said no but I wonder . . . maybe its been in the back of her mind all along, she knows something about the flood. she acquires the Prometheans hoping they could stop the flood, secretly knowing that there would be nothing she could do to stop them. so she has been hoping if she activated the guardians she could make it look like the guardian had killed master chief but since he survived, she has to face the truth,
She kills Master chief, betraying him for her survival which isn’t even guaranteed, or she Tells Master chief the problem and they all face a universe destroyed slowly by the flood, and Master chief self sacrifices to Save the universe, he gets everyone to evacuate the blast radius, and some how activates a halo ring again saving anyone outside the blast radius. and the real scary thing, the truth might be is that all of history repeats itself over and over again for the rest of eternity, and the truth is that everyone in the future at one point in time will experience the same hardships, pain, and suffrage until all factions eventually give up to the flood and . . . you see where this is going.