by no means am I a pro or something, but will we ever get the days of those down to the wire MLG matches and 49 to 49 swat matches in a an all 50s lobby that we used to? Will the ranking system ever be fixed the right way… People say the game works just fine but how in the hell can you say that if the ranking system is broken… That’s halo?
PS Don’t tell me to play campaign bc this is a REMAKE and i do not feel like playing the campaigns that which I’ve played through numerous times before, not to mention you cant play coop smoothly.
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> They killed any chance of reviving Halo with this mess so yeah i think its dead unfortunately
agreed. I think they went about halo 5 with some backwards logic. Halo 1-3 were competitive not because that is what bungie set out to do but because they were great shooters. The competitive side of them was simply a byproduct of a great game. Those great games with a large skill gap allowed players to create advanced tactics and longevity within the game. By 343 attempting to make a competitive game I fear that they are going to create a shallow game that won’t be able to evolve in a players tactics sense. In other words the game will be stale and won’t go much further than what you figure out within the first few hours. Sure there will be certain “skill” jumps and such, but I doubt you’ll ever see the kind of development as you did in halo 2 and 3.
Yes it is dead. Bungie set out to make somewhat challenging shooting games which appealed to the compeititve crowd. The casual crowd followed at the time because it became cool and hip to be a gamer so compeititve Halo grew. Now 343 caters to the casual crowd which then forces the compeittive crowd to leave and after a few months the casual crowd leaves as well because even they get bored of the noob fest.
One day Frankie and 343 will look back at Halo 4 and 5 and wish they would’ve listened to the community when we told them to return Halo to its roots.
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> I disagree.
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> They have a pro team, plus bring in outside current and former pros and they listen to (almost all) of their feedback. Watch “The Sprint”.
Don’t feed them the truth they will just spit it back out.
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> I disagree.
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> They have a pro team, plus bring in outside current and former pros and they listen to (almost all) of their feedback. Watch “The Sprint”.
Dude you are talking about a mini documentary made BY 343 . Of course they aren’t going to allow these old Halo CE and Halo 2 pros to come out on air and be like “Halo 5 is meh. total noob fest bring back halo 2”. And OBVIOUSLY they don’t listen to the pros or simply don’t ask the pros for their opinion on certain aspects because for the most part these pros favorite games are the first 3 Halos so they would inherently want Halo 5 to be more like those games instead of what it is right now.
And it even said on that little show that they brought in the pros because the pros quickly find advantages and gltiches way faster than the average player which these advantagesand glitches are things 343 wants to know about so they can fix. This can also be a marketing tactic. Biggest complaint about halo 4 was that it was a noobfest so what better way to act like Halo 5 is back to compeititve Halo than paying and brining in some old pros and letting us all know about it? Use your head man
And then there is the fact that Halo 4 was BY FAR the least compeititve halo. It was dropped in the major toruneys like MLG for a reason. It catered to the casual which is the same thing Halo 5 is going to do.
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> > I disagree.
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> > They have a pro team, plus bring in outside current and former pros and they listen to (almost all) of their feedback. Watch “The Sprint”.
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> Don’t feed them the truth they will just spit it back out.
LMFAO The truth? Well I guess he technically did speak the truth since 343 did “Bring in the pros” for some testing. The topic is about whther or not compeititve Halo is dead. Bringing in some Pros to test a game does not all of a sudden make halo com-peititve again. As we can see from the Halo 5 videos there is nothing old school compeititve Halo about it.
My truth. Halo 4 sucked I hated it. After playing the H5 beta last weekend it felt like a newer improved version of H3 with a slight speed boost. It took some getting used to, but it felt like I was playing “Halo” again. That is my truth. Doesn’t have to be others.
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> > I disagree.
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> > They have a pro team, plus bring in outside current and former pros and they listen to (almost all) of their feedback. Watch “The Sprint”.
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> Dude you are talking about a mini documentary made BY 343 . Of course they aren’t going to allow these old Halo CE and Halo 2 pros to come out on air and be like “Halo 5 is meh. total noob fest bring back halo 2”. And OBVIOUSLY they don’t listen to the pros or simply don’t ask the pros for their opinion on certain aspects because for the most part these pros favorite games are the first 3 Halos so they would inherently want Halo 5 to be more like those games instead of what it is right now.
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> And it even said on that little show that they brought in the pros because the pros quickly find advantages and gltiches way faster than the average player which these advantagesand glitches are things 343 wants to know about so they can fix. This can also be a marketing tactic. Biggest complaint about halo 4 was that it was a noobfest so what better way to act like Halo 5 is back to compeititve Halo than paying and brining in some old pros and letting us all know about it? Use your head man
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> And then there is the fact that Halo 4 was BY FAR the least compeititve halo. It was dropped in the major toruneys like MLG for a reason. It catered to the casual which is the same thing Halo 5 is going to do.
Well I recall them making the breakout maps and gametype more competitive because they did say it was meh at first. They didn’t just play test it. They made 343 make adjustments they wouldn’t have made if they didn’t have them as a resource. The “glitches” were added.(I’m only using that word because you did, It was more like competitive angles.) The pros changed a lot of what they had at first. It’s not a “marketing tactic” they were brought in to make sure it was a competitive game. It was one of their primary goals to make it competitive. And yes they did play the first 3 Halos - Walshy, Strongside, Gho57ayame, Pistola, Dersky, Bravo, Neighbor and Flamesword to name more than a few. Apparently when 343 comes in and doesn’t take outside feedback early, their games aren’t competitive (Halo 4).
Gather all the facts, and use your head man.
Halo 5 is going to be the comeback of competitive Halo. It hardly is catering to the casual gamer. (Ask anyone who’s played the Beta.)
Your assuming this without knowing all the facts, or even playing the beta yet.
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> > > They have a pro team, plus bring in outside current and former pros and they listen to (almost all) of their feedback. Watch “The Sprint”.
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> > Don’t feed them the truth they will just spit it back out.
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> LMFAO The truth? Well I guess he technically did speak the truth since 343 did “Bring in the pros” for some testing. The topic is about whther or not compeititve Halo is dead. Bringing in some Pros to test a game does not all of a sudden make halo com-peititve again. As we can see from the Halo 5 videos there is nothing old school compeititve Halo about it.
If you had the facts, you would know the pros they brought in were not there for “some testing”. I agree with the fact that bringing them in to test a game does not all of a sudden make halo competitive again. But getting the pros to have them change the strength of weapons, movement, and map layouts, does make it more competitive.
It’s all new school competitive. Old was then, This is now. Who wants to play the same game 15 years later? From Halo CE, Halo has evolved. Sure bungie -Yoinked!- up Reach, and they messed up 4 even worse, but now they have people who know what competitive halo should be getting them to change their -Yoink- ups before the game is shipped and there’s nothing they can do about it after that.
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> by no means am I a pro or something, but will we ever get the days of those down to the wire MLG matches and 49 to 49 swat matches in a an all 50s lobby that we used to? Will the ranking system ever be fixed the right way… People say the game works just fine but how in the hell can you say that if the ranking system is broken… That’s halo?
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> PS Don’t tell me to play campaign bc this is a REMAKE and i do not feel like playing the campaigns that which I’ve played through numerous times before, not to mention you cant play coop smoothly.
SWAT matches? I understand MLG, but SWAT? The gametype that’s takes no skill to play?
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> > They killed any chance of reviving Halo with this mess so yeah i think its dead unfortunately
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> agreed. I think they went about halo 5 with some backwards logic. Halo 1-3 were competitive not because that is what bungie set out to do but because they were great shooters. The competitive side of them was simply a byproduct of a great game. Those great games with a large skill gap allowed players to create advanced tactics and longevity within the game. By 343 attempting to make a competitive game I fear that they are going to create a shallow game that won’t be able to evolve in a players tactics sense. In other words the game will be stale and won’t go much further than what you figure out within the first few hours. Sure there will be certain “skill” jumps and such, but I doubt you’ll ever see the kind of development as you did in halo 2 and 3.
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> > 2795984768670385;1:
> > by no means am I a pro or something, but will we ever get the days of those down to the wire MLG matches and 49 to 49 swat matches in a an all 50s lobby that we used to? Will the ranking system ever be fixed the right way… People say the game works just fine but how in the hell can you say that if the ranking system is broken… That’s halo?
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> > PS Don’t tell me to play campaign bc this is a REMAKE and i do not feel like playing the campaigns that which I’ve played through numerous times before, not to mention you cant play coop smoothly.
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> SWAT matches? I understand MLG, but SWAT? The gametype that’s takes no skill to play?
Lmao, no skill seriously? Swat had some of the best players and matches in the game. If you think it took no skill to play then Id bet you were trash at it.
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> by no means am I a pro or something, but will we ever get the days of those down to the wire MLG matches and 49 to 49 swat matches in a an all 50s lobby that we used to? Will the ranking system ever be fixed the right way… People say the game works just fine but how in the hell can you say that if the ranking system is broken… That’s halo?
>
> PS Don’t tell me to play campaign bc this is a REMAKE and i do not feel like playing the campaigns that which I’ve played through numerous times before, not to mention you cant play coop smoothly.
My wife and I play coop campaign and coop multiplayer flawlessly. Its fixed, we all just want snipers and doubles
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> > > by no means am I a pro or something, but will we ever get the days of those down to the wire MLG matches and 49 to 49 swat matches in a an all 50s lobby that we used to? Will the ranking system ever be fixed the right way… People say the game works just fine but how in the hell can you say that if the ranking system is broken… That’s halo?
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> > > PS Don’t tell me to play campaign bc this is a REMAKE and i do not feel like playing the campaigns that which I’ve played through numerous times before, not to mention you cant play coop smoothly.
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> > SWAT matches? I understand MLG, but SWAT? The gametype that’s takes no skill to play?
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> Lmao, no skill seriously? Swat had some of the best players and matches in the game. If you think it took no skill to play then Id bet you were trash at it.
One shot kill is no skill. Bare in mind I do enjoy sway for the mad multikills I get. But anyone who can aim a rifle can play swat and do mediocre to alright. When more shots are required, using corner or grenade advantages, or even power weapon and teamwork advantages come into play, thats what takes skill. Not 1 hit kills haha. Swat takes skil hahaha
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> > by no means am I a pro or something, but will we ever get the days of those down to the wire MLG matches and 49 to 49 swat matches in a an all 50s lobby that we used to? Will the ranking system ever be fixed the right way… People say the game works just fine but how in the hell can you say that if the ranking system is broken… That’s halo?
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> > PS Don’t tell me to play campaign bc this is a REMAKE and i do not feel like playing the campaigns that which I’ve played through numerous times before, not to mention you cant play coop smoothly.
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> SWAT matches? I understand MLG, but SWAT? The game type that’s takes no skill to play?
