I’m a little confused about this, is Guilty Spark really Chakas, or is Chakas’ memories the basis for Guilty Spark? Thanks for clearing this up for me.
Apparently Chakas’ essence or spirit was transfered into an Original 343 GS, along with the spirits or memories of I believe it was said MILLIONS of other Ancient Humans. From what I gathered the 343 in game is actually a shard of the GS that they found in Primordium.
Chakas was dubbed 343 because ONI didn’t want to say there were more monitors.
> Chakas was dubbed 343 because ONI didn’t want to say there were more monitors.
No, at the end of the book, it is confirmed that the Monitor 343 Guilty Spark was Chakas.
OP: The Didact transferred Chakas’ memories (along with the memories of million of humans that were contained in Chakas) into a monitor’s body. This monitor would be dubbed 343 Guilty Spark. However, the Guilty Spark that we fought on Alpha Halo and later destroyed on the Ark was a fragment, a copy of the original.
> No, at the end of the book, it is confirmed that the Monitor 343 Guilty Spark was Chakas.
If you are referring to the ship AI saying “Voice recognized as 343 Guilty Spark”, that isn’t confirmation. They spent hours listening to the Monitor talk and then afterwards gave it the placeholder of 343 Guilty Spark. So is it really a surprise that the ship AI would call the voice the ONI team labelled as Guilty Spark to be Guilty Spark?
> > No, at the end of the book, it is confirmed that the Monitor 343 Guilty Spark was Chakas.
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> If you are referring to the ship AI saying “Voice recognized as 343 Guilty Spark”, that isn’t confirmation. They spent hours listening to the Monitor talk and then afterwards gave it the placeholder of 343 Guilty Spark. So is it really a surprise that the ship AI would call the voice the ONI team labelled as Guilty Spark to be Guilty Spark?
I always assumed it recongnized Guilty Spark’s voice based on data from the Chief and Cortana’s experiences on Halo.
Also, there is strong evidence beyond that that Chakas was the basis for Guilty Spark. He talks about having defended Halo in the recent past (Battle of Installation 04), says that “one of us gave you some trouble” or something like that, again indicating his connection to Guilty Spark.
There can be no doubt that Chakas became 343 Guilty Spark.
> > > No, at the end of the book, it is confirmed that the Monitor 343 Guilty Spark was Chakas.
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> > If you are referring to the ship AI saying “Voice recognized as 343 Guilty Spark”, that isn’t confirmation. They spent hours listening to the Monitor talk and then afterwards gave it the placeholder of 343 Guilty Spark. So is it really a surprise that the ship AI would call the voice the ONI team labelled as Guilty Spark to be Guilty Spark?
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> I always assumed it recongnized Guilty Spark’s voice based on data from the Chief and Cortana’s experiences on Halo.
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> Also, there is strong evidence beyond that that Chakas was the basis for Guilty Spark. He talks about having defended Halo in the recent past (Battle of Installation 04), says that “one of us gave you some trouble” or something like that, again indicating his connection to Guilty Spark.
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> There can be no doubt that Chakas became 343 Guilty Spark.
I just doubt it’s him because in The Return, didn’t they find a Monitor? Could be that. I don’t doubt Chakas was used as a template for Spark
> > > No, at the end of the book, it is confirmed that the Monitor 343 Guilty Spark was Chakas.
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> > If you are referring to the ship AI saying “Voice recognized as 343 Guilty Spark”, that isn’t confirmation. They spent hours listening to the Monitor talk and then afterwards gave it the placeholder of 343 Guilty Spark. So is it really a surprise that the ship AI would call the voice the ONI team labelled as Guilty Spark to be Guilty Spark?
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> I always assumed it recongnized Guilty Spark’s voice based on data from the Chief and Cortana’s experiences on Halo.
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> Also, there is strong evidence beyond that that Chakas was the basis for Guilty Spark. He talks about having defended Halo in the recent past (Battle of Installation 04), says that “one of us gave you some trouble” or something like that, again indicating his connection to Guilty Spark.
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> There can be no doubt that Chakas became 343 Guilty Spark.
He Hacks the ship and then says
"I have rarely been able to remember
which of my fragmented selves has performed any particular action.
I see in your records that one of me caused you considerable
difficulty—and then, assisted you! How like us. But never did that
monitor reveal its origins, or the motives behind its perverse
behaviors.
Perhaps now you can guess.
As Reclaimer, it is your privilege to shrive me again—not of the
flesh, long since turned to dust, but of my rich confusion of sins.
There can be no doubt that Chakas is Chakas
> > > > No, at the end of the book, it is confirmed that the Monitor 343 Guilty Spark was Chakas.
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> > > If you are referring to the ship AI saying “Voice recognized as 343 Guilty Spark”, that isn’t confirmation. They spent hours listening to the Monitor talk and then afterwards gave it the placeholder of 343 Guilty Spark. So is it really a surprise that the ship AI would call the voice the ONI team labelled as Guilty Spark to be Guilty Spark?
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> > I always assumed it recongnized Guilty Spark’s voice based on data from the Chief and Cortana’s experiences on Halo.
> >
> > Also, there is strong evidence beyond that that Chakas was the basis for Guilty Spark. He talks about having defended Halo in the recent past (Battle of Installation 04), says that “one of us gave you some trouble” or something like that, again indicating his connection to Guilty Spark.
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> > There can be no doubt that Chakas became 343 Guilty Spark.
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> He Hacks the ship and then says
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> "I have rarely been able to remember
> which of my fragmented selves has performed any particular action.
> I see in your records that one of me caused you considerable
> difficulty—and then, assisted you! How like us. But never did that
> monitor reveal its origins, or the motives behind its perverse
> behaviors.
> Perhaps now you can guess.
> As Reclaimer, it is your privilege to shrive me again—not of the
> flesh, long since turned to dust, but of my rich confusion of sins.
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> There can be no doubt that Chakas is Chakas
How does that, in any way, conflict with what I said?
The whole Chakas became 343 deal. They are separate.
> The whole Chakas became 343 deal. They are separate.
I beg to differ, but I see what you were saying now.
Not really gonna argue about it because more info would be nice. But it seems that Several monitors in the general meaning of the word were created from chakas. Didact Gave Chakas the Role of Preserving Human history not being a Rings’s monitor which is why i doubt his original Designation being 343.
343 GS volunteered for his post on an Installation as its monitor - could he have served other purposes before, but been assigned his post as monitor as the Forerunners were backed against a wall by the Flood? Just speculation - I imagine more will be explained in a future book.
I don’t think it’s as simple as Chakas being composed into a monitor, and that monitor being 343 GS and sticking around for 100,000 years - but there’s a relationship. Like Deva quoted, there are fragments - one possible explanation is that the original construct composed of Chakas “spun off” other monitors. I’m reluctant to latch onto a single theory.