Nobody asked for it to be released early. That decision was on their shoulders, not ours. Nobody asked it to be F2P. Their decision yet again. Nobody asked for 4 playlist choices, that don’t include dedicated Slayer or a custom game browser. That’s their choice for the record.
You people saying we are being indignant are acting like there’s nothing wrong with what 343 is doing to this franchise and to this game in particular. After 6 years of development, this should not even be an issue we’re discussing.
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It would be in a better situation than ske7ch telling us to go pound sand because they game model is now F2P and that’s just how it has to be to keep the servers running.
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Um, no. There’s no debate about what halo 4 did to halo multiplayer. They published the player numbers for its first year, and you can compare that to the halo reach player numbers.
Reach player count and halo 4 player count weren’t treated the exact same way, so it’s not possible to do an exact 1:1 comparison, but it’s obvious that Halo 4 destroyed the player base.
The problem with letting players host thier own servers and mapping tools is the company ceases to make substantial revenue off the product at some point. And from a business perspective, it’s best to allow a game to die so another can succeed
did I say I was happy with the way it is? why do I have to provide evidence, is this a trial?
who´s the core audience, the pros, or those who say “I´d been playing this game since CE”, or those new to the game, or those willing to pay anything for cosmetics?
my point was that they can’t please everyone, but we have to keep making constructive criticism and asking for what we want in the game. it will never be what everyone wants, to this day there are still people complaining about MCC, H5, and a lot of other games.
I want them to post news about what they are working on and coming updates, but I don’t want them to listen to the community at everything, some ask for aim assist be nerfed on the controller, some force crossplay, and a lot a way to turn it off.
I read from ske7ch comments nothing more-nothing less than someone tired of being harassed by those so-called fans of the franchise.
again let’s keep posting what we want for the game, they mess up? yes, do we pay for games? yes. but that doesn’t give us the right to mean with them.
Nobody says that they change the way the game is monetized, we are talking about offering products according to the price they are giving. How is it possible that a DAILY pack of labels is worth the same as 3 times the AoE 2: Definitive and a half pack of Halo armor?
Do you seriously think that we are going to spend all that money daily to pay for your servers?
I think they could monetize the game much better by offering much more variety of armor or by acquiring a similar mode of monetization to Warframe with the platinum.
So many things that could be solved if only things were changed a little bit…
It most certainly does. If you hire and pay a contractor to put a new roof on your house and they only shingle 35% of the roof, you’re telling me that you’d be okay with that, because they’re human and they tried real hard? No, you’d be furious you paid your hard earned money for something that they’ve now screwed up. Same exact thing applies here, only this isn’t the first time they’ve trotted out this exact same brand of garbage game for us to pay for, this is now the 4th time they’ve done so.
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Perfect response. I don’t like how they get a lot of people giving “feedback” but are really harping on personal tastes, not foundational issues like the monetization and progression systems. They also get a lot of blasting from people upset about those really important issues that do not offer any real criticisms but rather scream at them. People at 343 hopefully can tell the differences in all the feedback they are getting and are addressing the right group.
The fact is that this business model of full fledged monetization of the game elements is a very bad trend that is very much causing the death of many games and making it unplayable to those who care about them most., while securing a measly percentage of players in the 10-16 year old range who will stop playing when another cheap knock-off with more bright colors and newer nerf gun skins shows up. (I am reallyastonished 343 went that low to make the customization so cartoony and childish. This is Halo for crying out loud., NOT Fortnite) This is a very bad trend and nothing good ever came from following a trend and trying to fit something clearly superior (Halo 2, 3, Reach) into a modern filter to give it more revenue. Halo’s armor customization can’t be locked up because its integral for the franchise. Everything else can be behind the paywall for all those kids to spend money on. You’ve gone too far and its not going to survive unless its revised in a major way. Its been done a LOT this past decade. Learn from it.
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This reads as very entitled “I am OWED an explanation”, when in reality, you the player, are not. If dev teams posted about every discussion or decision they were making at all times, no work would ever get done. The fact 343i is this willing to even have a community team that is dedicated to interactions is par none with the industry, very few AAA companies still do this, and is more an Indie Studio tactic. God the one thing I have grown so tired of in the launch of this game is “6 years this, 6 years that. GIVE ME EXPLANATION!” like no, you’re not entitled to one. There are reason those choices were made, there are reasons the game launched when it did, and in all honestly those are probably due to the publisher Microsoft. If the man tells 343i to jump, they don’t question it, they say how high. The game has MASSIVE issues, but I do not, nor will I ever expect 343i to address every issue, tell me every discussion they are having to resolve them all. That is unrealistic, and entirely outlandish. These kind of Entitled demands are why staff members are getting threats, you’re creating an environment where it is okay to demand things from the dev team and when they are undelivered people freak out. Calm down, its a FREE game. Play or don’t.
in that example you are correct, I would be angry with the contractor, but not telling him “it’s because of me you eat”, or be mean to him, that just made things worst.
and how much did you pay to the developers for HI? that example doesn’t apply to games like that, again they are accountable for the mistakes, yes, they owe us? yes (there’s a post about that and I completely agree with the OP) but it´s not fair to be despicable to them, I believe a lot of calls for this game were made by the “money” department.
This is a very, very, very poor take.
Of course we are owed an explanation for:
- being paying clients
And
- 343 outright lying to us regarding progression, battle pass and store prices, forge, co-op, and campaign cosmetic unlocks.
The whole reason they owe us one is because without doing so, they will not be held accountable for fixing their dumpster fire of a MP game.
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This fallacy of the money department does not shield 343 of their responsibility as devs to come out and accept responsibility for their horrible handling of this franchise. They’ve run it into the dirt for the last 3 games. It does not absolve them from the lies they told us about multiple things. It does not remove their culpability in having 4 playlist options at launch, with no dedicated Slayer playlist which is the foundation from which Halo as a multiplayer series is based upon. This belief that it’s the money men that are responsible is just gaslighting everyone into believing that 343 are the good guys, when in actuality they’re the main villains.
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yes , this exactly what I meant by that
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You are such a toxic person. Just stop. They’re not villains. They’re people, this isn’t some comic book. They haven’t “run this series into the dirt”. There are issues here, yes. They have Publicly stated many times in the past month that they are working to resolve them, but some of the resolutions take time(i.e the progression system). I want change to this game, and I truly believe well see it, but it doesn’t happen over night, and do I want a Waypoint Article about all the proposed changes, yes. With Dev interviews, yes. Am I owed that? No. Also making devs out to be villains and bad people is why they are getting death threats and doxxed. You are the problem in the community. We have game that can really bring Halo back to the forefront of the public eye, and the thing people are going to see when they come into our forums, our subreddit, is toxicity and hatred.
God you’re probably the same type of person to gate keep Halo and tell people who like Halo 4 or 5 that they’re not “real halo fans”. What do you want Cr0w_Magn0n, a letter hand written by entire dev team explaining to you why they’ve made every decision they made and have them crawl on their knees to keep you as a player? Just leave if you’re this unhappy, no one is asking you to stay, nor we will be sad when you leave.
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Wow nice as hominems you got there bud.
Apparently I’m toxic because…you say my criticism of 343 is too mean? You really have a lot to learn about life if you think that’s being too harsh on people. I’ve never once called for them to be personally attacked as individuals. 343 is more than the sum of it’s individual workers, and as an entire unit, they deserve every ounce of criticism laid at their feet at Thai stage in the game. They’ve dropped the ball in 3 previous games, but apparently that’s not a problem for you, is it?
As people and members of the fanbase, we’re entitled to explanations from the devs regarding every single thing they’ve lied to us about. There is no excuse for no co-op, no forge, and a half baked playlist setup. The issue is they determined amongst themselves what Halo should be and when we found out that they’re changing the fundamental pillars of Halo games, we revolted. This is the exact same situation most people experience when they get caught doing something wrong. They’re not upset for the fact that they did the wrong thing in the first place, but rather, they’re mad and cry about it because they got caught.
It’s a mess of sycophants in these forums, I’ve never once called anyone toxic or swore at anyone in here, or even when I was a member back on bungie . net back in the day. To say people like myself are toxic is just using a buzzword you heard somewhere, against a person who’s arguments you can’t refute. It’s really quite sad to see how the level of critical discourse has dropped over the years.
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Personally I disagree I think they’ve not only made a terrific game and I think they’ve been very honest and open, I look forward to the games future and I do have high hopes.
This has been the best job 343 has ever done with communication and in general the quality of Halo infinites multiplayer and what appears to be the campaign is pretty stellar. It’s not perfect but nothing is, what’s important as they’ve been clear they want the game to improve and if they managed to make MCC into the success they did from a broken mess then Halo Infinite has a bright future and is a great start.
Just my 2 cents. This community like many is too negative.
I haven’t played the campaign so my opinion may change but currently I’m happy with what I’m seeing.
Honest? Dude their interviews since last December have been straight up lies.
just ignore crow you’ll never get anywhere with him trust me I tired
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So says the lad who started screaming at his monitor like a petulant child.
You still can’t refute anything I said about 343 and their sheer incompetence.
But then again, I don’t expect you to be able to.
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Anybody else see the daily ripoff in the store?
Option 1:
1000 credits / $10
A red S7 skin
A victory stance (epic)
A nameplate
3 emblems
Option 2:
700 credits / $7
A blue bulldog skin
A light blue /white Mk VII skin
A victory stance (rare)
It all just seems so meh from 343.