imagine a fight with him and arby
I don’t know how saving a pilot twice and killing a couple of mouth pieces that do nothing the whole time counts as ‘amazing’.
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just about everything is subjective…
No, I understand that it does, Infinite makes the effort in explaining that.
But that’s actually part of the issue, so much of Infinite’s narrative is told through dialogue. Told, not shown.
The Created AND the UNSC have been defeated? Cortana, the renegade AI, Warden Eternal, the Guardians, the Infinity, numerous Spartan-IVs, Blue Team, Osiris, Locke, the Swords of Sanghelios, AND the renown Master Chief - defeated by one of many splinter factions of the Covenant?? There’s no way anyone who’s been around for a decade would accept that as being even remotely possible.
They wrapped up the Created storyline in probably the laziest way they could have! Infinite all but disregards the development of the franchise, its characters, context, world-building from all of the last two decades, and wears a Halo skin!
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So where’s the Created? The Prometheans? Why has Cortana suddenly rolled over for the UNSC when it was Atriox who walked into the room to see her and not John…? The Weapon didn’t complete it’s mission which is why it isn’t deleted(Cortana had control the whole time) and is still being used to finish the mission until they realize it was pointless, the mission was already sort of completed… because Cortana blew herself up to stop Atriox.
And it doesn’t matter how many Brutes died my friend, who is still the most advanced army in the galaxy right now? umm The Banished… 
so after all those billions wasted… they still conquer anything they contact except for the Spirit of Fire on the Ark which was half the size of the Infinity and had half the crew and didn’t have a Master Chief on board…
And it is a story of nations, has always been since the first game. The Humans vs the Covenant, then both versus the Flood… then the Forerunners versus the Humans twice(Forerunners versus Precursors long before that)… How is this not a story of nations? Atriox was SPECIFICALLY boosting the Brute’s power to become a major player in the universe so they could no longer be enslaved by higher powers. But the Hunters are just mindless eels that can control Scarabs, Starships and other machinery but can’t build a nation of their own species?
This writing is very convoluted and for no reason at all other than to “reboot” the series. Atriox doesn’t need to rewind time, or conquer a Ring… he destroyed the Covenant, the Prometheans, the UNSC, got revenge on Cortana especially since he survived her failed explosion, Atriox owns the galaxy because no one can stop him at the beginning of Infinite…
Only for John to FINALLY say “Ok, I better get serious” then he single handedly takes down the Banished even after he was defeated while being surrounded by THOUSANDS of allies?
None of this makes sense when coming from the old games before Halo 5, it only makes sense if you’re recently new to the Halo lore. Even Halo Wars 2 now doesn’t make much sense.
This is the third failed campaign from 343 so at this point I expect NOTHING to connect properly ever again, the old Halo lore has been tossed into the garbage until the writers run into another block and have to retcon or “reboot” more crap.
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The story could have been a lot better if we actually experienced it, instead of just a whole game of listening to people talk about all this awesome exciting stuff that happened off screen.
Sure would love a prequel about losing Zeta Halo to the banished, which has the final mission being the arrival and destruction of Infinity (with Chief either being recalled to Infinity at the end to pick up the Weapon, or you play as your own spartan the whole time).
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First off, you are insane. You must not have played much of the campaign because it shows why he is like that in the beginning of the game. He changes his tune later in the game.
The biome argument: the “open” world is just a small part of the ring. Halo CE for example had you going to parts of the ring far away from where you started. Also they had to cut a lot of the game to get it done in a reasonable time.
Replaying campaign missions is being added…
Saying 343 doesn’t care is pretty insulting to say about people who have been working on this game for years.
And the game itself wasn’t in development for six years. I took them years just to create a whole new engine.
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This has been the case ever since Bungie retconned major elements of Fall of Reach over 10 years ago.
After Halo 3, the entire franchise basically became equivalent to a long running comic series where the writers ret-con or change major parts of the characters, story, and lore at random just so they can invent new things to do.
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Some things are frustrating, I agree…
No coop, not repayable missions and no commands to hold or move the Marines. Which on legendary, make it difficult to keep them alive.
And the cut content feels like Destiny 1 all over again… cut content that’s later sold as DLC or Seasons…
No spartan laser?
However, I think its a great game … the story did explain some things…
If you played all of the galos from the beginning, you should remember the holes in the story all always filled in later content… its halos FOMO…
Hang in there
I know, and it has only gotten worse with each undoing. At this point, the damage is so noticeable to the Halo lore that it can’t possibly be patched up with just one game and a few minor DLCs. It’s going to take another 10 years to fix this catastrophe, and I for one am not wasting my time watching the writers hit another wall and end up retconning more stuff.
Yeah I’ve pretty much completely stopped caring about anything in the story.
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The one thing I do like about the writing is The Endless could have great potential, but who knows.
The gameplay is solid though, so at least I can play a few matches on MP, get my Halo fix in and then move onto other games afterwards.
HALO Infinite was the best HALO I’ve ever had.
Gameplay is important for HALO, so if gameplay is sentimental, it’s the right answer.
Unfortunately, the open world is small and lacks the gimmicks to play repeatedly.
Will the story be added?
I don’t hate Banished fighting for freedom and
There are not enough things to feel the grandeur of HALO.
I have a lot of worries.
The number of simultaneous connections of Steam has dropped to about 1/5 of the time of launch.
I wish HALO Infinite a success
My goodness.
Well she destroys Doisac Day 1. So she had twelve months to run rampant. If she literally takes the view that any support for the Banished or Brute presence means your planets destroyed; there really shouldn’t be that many Brutes left in the galaxy. She had twelve months of that. The Banished might be a lot more literal a name than it was before.
I mean, if there were any surviving Brute planets or colonies why does Cortana think she’s left Atriox with nothing left to lose?
It’s still premature to talk about the state of the galaxy. Halo Infinite is very much focusing on this situation on the ring. It’s never stated that the Banished could beat Cortana and given that Atriox couldn’t do anything about Doisac that’s the case. None of the Banished are reliable narrators. Of course they are going to say that having their homeworld destroyed made them stronger. They aren’t going to accept they’re going the same way as the Krogan. They’re only built up as immediate threats on the Ark and Zeta Halo entirely dependent on them getting access to a Halo ring.
Remember Atriox is the villain. He’s built up so that we can knock him down. It matches up that he would have flawed ideas like “I am going to kill the people who stopped Cortana” “I am going to fire the Halo ring to kill all the weak and evil species” and “I am going to trust these Endless folk”. It’s very much in character that he would drag his surviving species into a futile war of annihilation. Think Mass Effect how Wrex said that his people were dying off through pointless wars rather than building things; that’s what Atriox and Esharum are. They’re not actually strong or wise. They’re leading their people down a dark and doomed path. Probably all going to end up as food for the Flood. This is not ending well for the Banished.
Sorry man, but I don’t agree with you. I’m not going to bring Mass Effect up at all(a decent game that didn’t require a massive ‘reboot’ or retconning) because it has no place in this discussion.
Even though Cortana can destroy planets with Guardians, Atriox has still won. Whether his species is on the brink of extinction or not, which is CLEARLY not the case, but the writing hasn’t been solid yet so I’m sure they could squeeze that possibility through.
Atriox is smart, strategic, and ruthless. Atriox would have repaired the ring if possible, but if not, he would just live on it to replace Doisac or destroy it and conquer a different planet or resettle on the countless planets he has already incorporated into the Banished empire. And He DEFINITELY would not have allowed the Endless to gain power at all or EVER. Especially if they are such a threat that the Flood have just been ignored for the last three main games. Atriox doesn’t bend the knee, you kneel to him or die. And the theory about using the Endless to rewind time to save his planet (I know you didn’t state this, I’m just mentioning it). Atriox accepts things for how they are and acts accordingly, which is why he didn’t mind Humans or Elites being in the Banished forces. Atriox would accept his losses as he has in all of his previous engagements, and just resettle on a new Doisac. Especially since there are no major threats left in the galaxy to oppose his might. He should be searching for Earth to stop the UNSC from counter attacking… not teaming up with some imprisoned alien species that no one would have even known existed.
Cortana’s Created and Prometheans having no appearance is either a Retcon or they were destroyed off screen by either Cortana or Atriox… definitely was not the UNSC…
The Banished aren’t the narrators, you got Escharum spouting at every chance he gets that he has to find glory for Atriox, boo hoo. So he doesn’t even narrate anything of importance besides “Atriox trusted in you Harbinger.”
The true narrators are the audio logs(and ending cutscenes) which paint a very distorted image of what happened before Infinite.
This new writing is just awful compared to the old lore. It has so many plot holes it resembles a fishing net.
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I don’t think you’re supposed to agree with the philosophy of a faction who say that “hope makes you weak”. The Empire in Star Wars talk a lot about strength as well, that doesn’t mean they’re right either. Another “powerful and unstoppable” faction that seems to get beat by a much smaller opponent as well. The Banished are doomed to fail like the Covenant and will likely meet the same end. That extends to its leader. They’re brittle and they’ll break.
Atriox is clearly a pawn for the Endless. Why is he going along with releasing a species who obviously have their own malicious agenda? He’s a fool. A man who wants the Galaxy to burn because he has nothing to lose is not a nice dude. This is not the Arbiter where he’s has some nobility and positive traits. If he did care about his people he’d realise he’s led them all to their deaths for petty revenge and power. Either the Endless will stab the Banished in the back or the Flood will eat them. Plus, the Chief is going to go Doom guy on him when they next meet.
Look, the guy commands an army who launch raids that slaughter innocent civilians so they can steal their resources. How is stealing things and killing unarmed prisoners a sign of strength? They also preside over massacres, torture and some of its leaders engage in cannibalism. They’re sadists and monsters. If he says he’s a freedom fighter, you are not meant to take him at his word. He point blank lies about humanity being about conquest and subjugation when his people have the blood of billions on their hands. Hes outright deluded to blame humanity for anything Cortana does. He’s a freak for killing the people who saved the galaxy from her. The only freedom he is fighting for is his own.
I’m not praising the Banished, nor am I saying they are justified in their actions or are acting noble in any way… I know they are monsters and degenerate space pirates, if you read my previous posts before you quoted me, you should know this. But AT THIS MOMENT in Infinite, who has more power than Atriox or the Banished… Cortana? the Covenant? the greatest UNSC ship that was just destroyed in 4 minutes? The Endless who were imprisoned at the time? The Flood who are just non-existent until the writer’s need a plot twist? Nope. The last remaining army that is coordinated and ready to deploy, is… The Banished… and to top off this disgusting plot, The Banished was taken down singlehandedly by Master Chief, even though he couldn’t do it with all of his allies around him. And then, Cortana can destroy planets but gets outmaneuvered and held at a stalemate by space pirates who are supposedly going extinct?
I’m simply pointing out the flawed writing in Infinite, but there’s just too many holes to point out in this plot.
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Fine, fine I misread, too many people admire the character and think the Banished are somehow these misunderstood good guys who are going to end up siding with the UNSC. They aren’t and it would be silly if they did. This ends with them saying Hi to Ford and General Motors.
You can’t really infer too much from the wider universe stuff. We don’t know until they clarify that. The Banished probably aren’t the only force out there. From the multiplayer there are definitely hidden UNSC bases. There’s marines asking “where are the Arbiters forces?”. If everyone was in Battlestar Galactica mode and losing ships to the Guardians this extends to the Banished as much as the UNSC. Whatever ships and forces they had on the homeworld definitely died and they lost an Assault Carrier at the Ark. The Created didn’t succeed in stamping out organised resistance. If they really are gone then all that can focus on the Banished. Losing Infinity is a catastrophe, but if you’ve still got the Shadow of Intent whilst the Banished lost their capital ship…
You only see around six of those Dreadnoughts in the cutscene and skybox. The Covenant had thousands of ships. The Banished aren’t depicted as having a galaxy conquering Armada. The issue is they control Zeta Halo and that makes them dangerous. It also means it would not take very many recovered warships to match or at least check the Banished forces.
Establishing tension in the alliance between Esharum and the Harbinger is relevant for the factions. It is Atrioxs plan. When the Harbinger says when this is all over there won’t be any more talk of doubting one another; she means death. She’s clearly mocking these barbarian savages and is using them. So the Banished are just Tools of the Endless exactly how the Covenant were for the Didact.
If he wants to time travel to save his planet why bother with all the talk of firing the Halo Array to burn everybody and unlimited power? The whole story centres on the Banished wanting to fire the Halo ring.
Chief didn’t destroy the Banished. He killed their leaders so that Atriox can take them over in the DLC.
You are right, we don’t know much about the other parts of the galaxy after they have changed so much story from the last few games.
But what we do know that hasn’t been altered yet is: the Covenant is fractured severely, with a large portion of the Sangheili separating into the Swords of Sangheilios, a Human-allied faction under Thel 'Vadam. Earth was conquered by a Guardian so the UNSC is limited plus Lord Hood vanishes with vital intel. And the Banished, I am positive ran into Guardians and Created resistance, but still… even after going through that they landed and conquered Zeta. The Banished are unfortunately THE most formidable opponent out in the galaxy right now as of the beginning and even at the end of Infinite. Until a new threat is revealed… we have no choice but to accept this for now.
The time traveling and time manipulation stuff is boring to me unless they do it right, every story tries to use it and it’s usually done in ways to save the writers.
And Chief did beat the Banished and he did it all by himself or with help from some random nameless Marines. They didn’t win the war, but as impossible as it may seem they absolutely won the latest battle in Infinite. Which makes the defeat of the Infinity a joke in the first place but whatever.
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