It’s going to depend on how one wants to look at it when it comes to the blood and gore.
For me the blood was never something I took seriously because of how florescent it was, and all the different colors of blood just made me think
“Rainbow” if you was to sit there beating on a dead body. That’s how I looked at it, now another person can see that being immersive because different species can and do have different blood colors. I mean not all insects or animals on earth have red blood afterall like us humans. It’s just how one wants to look at it. Now gore wise I will argue more on because gore was so minimal while including it, and what I mean is heads didn’t explode, guts were never shown, intestine never strung out across the ground, the flood were the only exception and it was just limbs only.
Halos blood and gore for example really pales in comparison to say DOOM, halo really just sat on that border when it came to its M rating because it’s language was only one or two curse words in the game, no nudity unless a pixelated hologram with a pixel look counts, and there’s no alcohol as well. It’s why when M rated topics come up you can see two sides to it, to some like me halo really wasn’t that mature, and to some like you it can be.
I’d also mention that there are games that do toggle blood, especially because some games make you pay for the blood dlc👍 So it’s not impossible to do (not that I’m arguing for it) but some people can be turned off from a game with so much blood and gore. You could say just play a different game which I mean, that is one solution, or you can be inclusive and have a filter for people who want it while also having the blood for those who want it.
Thank you! Like, yes, for my own mental health and sanity, on twitter for instance, there are people, opinions, horribly bad takes and such, that I just need to block.
But that’s social media. That’s other people. I remember when Battlefield 1 and CoD WaW came out and people were asking for “Historical accuracy” toggles.
(the request was basically, “I’d like a toggle that allowed me to see less black people.” - and yes, it was horribly racist.)
Being able to curate your social experience is good. But when you enter a videogame or a matter of expression you should generally be ready to experience all of it. If you don’t like it, then you shouldn’t engage with the media. If you really want to change things, protest or vote with your wallet, y’know?
I don’t see how wanting historical accuracy would be considered racist. If they really only wanted such a toggle because they disliked black people, then obviously that’s racist, but not if they’re legitimately concerned with historical accuracy.
Quite simply because I love Halo and I don’t feel like non-canon things belong in it. I never have. I don’t want to see crossovers, I don’t want to see outlandish things that people look cool, I want to see the military science fiction that this series started as.
I could just as easily call your comments gaslighting as my own… we’re simply discussing a topic on which we have different views. You’re trying to tell me that I’m encroaching on what you want to do (which I see as expressing yourself in ways that don’t necessarily fit into the canon,) and I’m telling you that you’re encroaching on what I want to do (which is play a military science fiction game without seeing things that I don’t think fit into that world.)
I’m trying to empathize with your position, but please understand that we’re both in the same boat. It sounds like if I get what I want, and only Halo things are in Halo, even if some miss out on options like the mythic armor, then you will enjoy it less. If you get what you want, and get to express yourself in a way that you enjoy even if it breaks immersion for others, then I will enjoy it less.
Personally this is taking a moment because when I customize my Spartan I do it for myself. I enjoy making that choice, and I’ve always done it for myself rather than to show off my preferences to others. As such, I’ve never really done much customization outside of Reach, where I really loved being able to see my character in the campaign/ in the universe. That’s just my personal preference, but maybe it will help you see where I’m coming from.
Maybe a better balance would be to have game modes that are intended to be canon and game modes that are not. To be honest, I hardly have that much interest in Infinite’s multiplayer anyways with all the micro-transactions, the progression system, and the lack of immersive canon based modes like invasion. Maybe in the future there can be more of the Spartan v Spartan game modes that include all sorts of non-canon armor and the more outlandish player expression, and I would love to see more canon-based game modes like Invasion that lock out non-canon armor choices. How would you feel about that?
The multiplayer is not canonical itself. So complaints of the Fractures armors as “immersion breaking” is already a weak argument. Then add into it flaming skulls in Oddball, a wide array of non-canonical armor colors, player emblems, callsigns, even - gasp! - Spartans teabagging… And probably a dozen other things.
If Fractures armor are what are just now breaking immersion for you… I gotta wonder just what Multiplayer you’ve been playing.
If you want Halo to be limited to your expectations of a Military Science Fiction Shooter, stick to the campaign.
No, you’re really not. Here’s my position: Why do I wear the armor that I wear? (Of which hasn’t been mentioned, but that’s beside the point) Obviously it means something to me. Maybe a favorite character, a theme in keeping with my gamertag and lifestyle. Maybe it represents my favorite thing of all time, and I want to share that with everyone. The colors I chose might have meaning as well, depicting a nationality, clan, or family. Like putting on an outfit for the day, it’s what I want to display and share with the world.
And then comes a lobby where everyone has that expression toggled off. Effectively muting my voice and everyone else who wants to share their expression. Sure, we know what we’re wearing, but no one else does and that was the whole point. Now the lobby’s just a bunch of Default Armor & Coating Spartans. Uniform and bland. Unless, of course, we pick an entire armor set that you approve of.
It might not seem like a big deal to you, but that’s the very essence of censorship.
Now, I’d love to stay and chat, but I have some HALO INFINITE TO PLAY!!!
Like I said, I’ve tried to see your side to this and empathize with your position. That is precisely why I made the offering that perhaps some game modes should be canon and some should not. A toggle for non-canon items would be a great way to be inclusive of people who are interested in a more serious experience. In lieu of that, for the reasons you’ve explained, maybe there could be either lobbies in which appearances were restricted to canon, or as I stated, entire game modes like invasion that require players to wear canon armor. As said, I tried to empathize with you and offer something that might work for both of our preferences.
I hear what you mean about player expression, I find it interesting as perhaps it indicates a difference in what we each find fun about video games. Personally as much as I’ve always loved playing co-op campaign and split screen MP, for me video games have (especially in my adult life) been more about immersion and escape into another world than about social interaction and expressing myself in a public way. I personally really like games like Battlefield that bring those two worlds together a bit, creating an immersive world while also sharing in that world with many people. I’d love to see something like that come to Halo multiplayer, and I think that both a version that you enjoy of Halo MP and a version that I might enjoy could coexist.
Truly, I want you to be able to play Halo and have fun. That’s why you won’t find me in the “JUST GO BACK TO FORTNIGHT THEN” type crowd. I want to be inclusive. I just personally see toggles as being the most inclusive option. Enjoy playing Infinite today!
Rather THAT than all the darn content cutting, content gating due to " reasons ". 343 if MS willingly, have tons of workforce, resources, cash and a big community for two way communication to make things work, find solutions and not least transparecy.
So yes, toggle. OPTIONS, spice of life. Varity!
Now… wheres my left - hand gun HUD and Jackals for that matter though?
Anyway, cheer on. PLay mp and have fun!
See, you say that, but when have I ever mentioned anything about the canon in specifics to the act of self-expression? You are also intently focusing on me wearing the Fractures armor, despite never saying anything of the sort. Being boxed off in a separate “non-canon” playlist does nothing to solve anything, it’s just more segregation based on appearance and “Behind Closed Doors” mentality.
So why argue for a toggle, then? Toggles are not at all an inclusive option. It’s the “You can enjoy it but I don’t want to ever see you wear it” option. The "Keep my idea of Halo Pure" option. You can’t both find player expression to be interesting and also not want to see it. That’s incredibly contradictory.
What’s more, the appearance toggle was granted in Halo: CE and Halo 3 for players that wanted to retain the “Legacy Appearance”. There is no such thing in Halo Infinite. Everything in Infinite - including the Fractures armors - belongs.
Halo is still Halo. And non-canon content has been in the Multiplayer right from Halo 3. It is not forced on you in that you do not have to wear it, but you should grant the players who do want to wear it the respect of visibility as outlined above.
Wow, wanting a piece of media to adhere and respect the time period it is supposedly set in makes me racist. Makes perfect sense. As for COD WaW, the game was mostly accurate aside from a Tiger II in Stalingrad, you mean COD WWII? You could at least get your titles in check. You speak of horribly bad takes when you yourself undoubtedly have one as well.
Constant historical censorship and revisionism is a genuine issue with a lot of people and it’s genuinely damaging to the industry, where creators are required by social dogma to abide a long set of unwritten rules. When BFV had a German War-Story I was amazed, not only had I dreamt of such a thing for years, it was also remarkable the modern media didn’t immediately flame and flak it.
Edit: Thank you HopefulToad1, keep up the good fight mate.
Do you geniunly think, the majority of players - in 2021 - will even disable armor cosmetics, so much that it effects in a negative way all the F2P Players who want to show off? Come on that’s pretty bold. We are talking here only about a group of veterans who want more canonically consistent Armor Designs(because people tend to forget with this “toggle” it opens up to more crazy armors as well, which otherwise never would have happened in any way… look at TMCC right now with this mystical armors) or simply have a more military feel.
There is no harm in it, rather the opposite, it’s actually good because now we don’t have to deal with the bs everytime a new armor gets released and people can enjoy the Game how they want.
And the few folks who step away because they can’t deal with the possibility that once in a while there might be player who turned of alternative armor designs, and being bu**hurt they can’T show off, than i’m sorry to say this, said person have a bigger Problem to begin with and it might be a good thing they aren’t part of the Community anyway.
So OP i disagree, i’d argue majority of “Options” and “Toggles” are a good thing.
