https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q_9Jh74nEaI
That is the URL for a video done by Ben “Yahtzee” Croshaw a game reviewer for The Escapist best known for his Zero Punctuation reviews. In this video he perfectly explains and repeats the many things I have said throughout the years about how live service is not a sustainable format for gaming. This continual drive and desire for infinite money and infinite growth which is unobtainable and unrealistic. It is not a model that is considerate to the general or casual consumer of games, but instead it intends to prey upon the whales and those with a small amount of disposable income willing to hand over far too much money for an infinitely available digital good which is non-transferable and non-refundable. It requires you to spend your time with one game and one game only. This is not how most consumers wish to spend their time.
This is not a system that works with Halo and the format in which it was intended. It’s a format that most companies force a product to fit into instead of it fitting properly/easily into the product. This is exactly what we see with Halo infinite. The game was shipped out early in a broken state missing most legacy content you would expect from a Halo game. It has been filled with tons of bugs yet the only thing that has been virtually bug free has been the store. The items in the shops have not been properly priced since the beginning, even after attempts were made to lower the price. Player customization and expression is being held by the balls with a greedy iron fist that just keeps twisting in hopes that you’ll give it money to make them let go just a little.
This is not what Halo is supposed to be and should never be again. The core gameplay of Halo infinite is some of the best that has ever existed when things are working properly. I wish you nothing but good luck in the future 343 industries, I truly do. Because unless you fix this mess or have a massive turnaround with your next title and don’t make these massive mistakes again, I highly doubt that you will be able to make more. Halo as a series should never die and it should never be put out to pasture, but continuing to try to use it as a money farm will only result in its death.
You cannot draw blood from an exsanguinated man for they have already bled dry.
This has been DERK 91, signing off.
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While I do agree with everything you posted, they probably have made more $ with this game by charging ridiculous amounts for skins and whatnot alone. It will probably be hard for them to go back to any other model in the future.
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People keep saying the core gameplay is good halo but if I would have paid for this game I would have refunded it instantly. It is not the Halo Ive been craving since Halo 3. However since its free I do come back to play it with friends once in awhile, so the live service can work but it has to be a GOOD game and for me it would have had to be a GOOD game and a classic Halo game.
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And good thing it’s nothing like Halo 1-3, slow paced and no mobility? Those games are trash homie.
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Thats what Halo is. So you basically just told me that you hated Halo and want something different, thats when you should go play a different game series.
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They aren’t trash, but they sure as heck aren’t sustainable gameplay models by current day standards.
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I dont like this argument either, Counterstrike has basically been the same game for more then 20 years and it hit 1.4 million last I saw. Now if Counterstrike Source 2 adds sprint and clamber I might be eating my own words BUT I really doubt they do that. On the other hand though its been so long without a Classic style Halo I dont think it would be a huge hit either. Halo at this point feels like a “-Yoink!- if they do and -Yoink!- if they dont” situation.
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Bungie already established what made Halo successful years ago, they spent years across three games trying to perfect it. It worked very well at the time and then suddenly 343 emerged and implemented a bunch of unnecessary changes that pretty much made the Halo brand plummet in quality. Over the times it also created several different groups of fans with different levels of expectations for what Halo should play like. Instead of taking the most beloved part of the original Halo trilogy, 343 copied the controversial Class system from Reach’s MP for Halo 4. And then instead of picking a set-up and sticking with it, 343 kept changing the Halo formula even further, mostly just copying other IPs with each title which attracted different splinter factions of the overall player base. Now each group wants a specific set of things for their preferred version of Halo but we usually end up getting whatever 343 has slapped together at the time.
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I heard Bungie was making a remake of Marathon - rampant AI - could be interesting!
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I dont mind the shop. its the battlepass that is boring, everyone unlocks stuff in the same order by just playing the game. the battle pass has a lot of content but it should be unlocked in a more fun way. would be better if items was randomly unlocked but if you perform well in matches you get to pick an item every 10 matches from a selection of 10 random items.
i dont think battlepasses need to advertise their contents. surprising would be better.
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Just a long list of forums that I had to move on from after they permanently went down over the 25-30 years I’ve been active online. I’ll live and get past this one going down just like I did for all the rest…
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Randomly unlocked? No way that’s just loot boxes all over again.
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Kinda like how MCC gives you points to unlock what you want?
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Going to continue this conversation on my forums, https://lysithea.ai - shouldn’t be hard to find the thread but briefly, I don’t think its a decision that was made lightly and in previous management correcting MCC’s launch the game unintendedly became a live service.
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not really, battle passes put the good stuff last. it would be cool to have a chance at earning good stuff early. plus it will stop everyone looking the same at the start of a season which makes cosmetics less appealing when everyone has the same stuff
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When you phrase it that way it sounds okay but I road your first post the way @TheSonicSpartan did.
I do really like your base idea of trying to make the BP more interesting. Just giving us some choices in what we unlock at times would be cool. For example on some levels you could have a choice of which coating or piece of armour to unlock.
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loot boxes were hated for its gambling nature. my idea still gets you what you paid for in the same time frame, just in a more interesting way so that its not the same experiance as every other player and feels more personal
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Agreed. In some games, the live service can continue, that is, if their universe deems any content can work. Things like Fortnite, Destiny, Apex, League, Valorant all can work due to the fact their universe strive off unconditional content. They can throw anything in there.
Halo however can not, as proven, with Fracture events limiting armor customization, and specific attachments that just aren’t worth to sell for real currency. Halo has a strict theme and history where its content is too thin to make a live service prophet of. Its just better off to just create the game, sell expansions with banks of content like they did every few months like previously, but in a larger scale.
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Yeah that is exactly the problem. The live service idea is conceived long before the actual game nowadays.
Whoever makes these decisions up top, I feel like they don’t even play games, they just probably look at the few successful games (Fortnite, Apex) and think that copying them means automatic cash flows coming in, this without considering what “live service” would imply for their specific product.
What companies should do is make the game first, THEN maybe look if the game has the basis to transition to F2P somewhere down the line, kinda like Rocket League did.
I have fun with RL and it’s perfectly playable without buying anything from the store. I’ve never felt forced to buy anything, and yet I have bought 2 bundles (F1, Bugatti) and I don’t regret it in the slightest.
Meanwhile I still haven’t bought anything in Infinite. The live-service model simply does not fit well with Halo.
Just the fact that we don’t even have basic color selection, like all the other Halos since CE, is ridiculous.
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