In Regards to the Post Beta Stats

I can say for one that I’m ok with the changes, the toggable Sprint in Customs is tolerable, should I think it should have been expanded to Matchmaking for certain playlists, yes. But I can’t complain and I won’t because of the fact that this is the way the game industry is going.

But what isn’t suprising is the amount of uproar from the stats. People are saying the 11% is a lie, however not everyone knew about the HFBP. I even didn’t and hell I didn’t even get to play the damn beta because I just got an Xbox One last week. The people that played the beta and then stopped because they didn’t like the gameplay likely didn’t participate in it, or care to because their mind was made up. The people 343 likely listened to are the ones that played the beta in the duration that it was available. The ones that couldn’t participate in the feedback program I understand them, however there will plenty of websites that linked back to the feedback program that you could have easily set your region to either the US or the UK because I know people that were in countries that were supported by the HFBP did that just to get their feedback through.

Even IF the feedback was limited on the forums to the Halo 5 Feedback Thread that Snickerdoodle made, the feedback there was likely taken first priority. Polls posted here that linked to other strawpolls or whatever poll was available could and certainly did have people abusing the poll, F5ing and voting yes or no multiple times. Even the poll on Team Beyond I don’t even think was acknowledged because of the fact that yes, that is a Halo Community that has grown (I know, I’m a part of it) but because there is no connection between that forum and 343 and Waypoint most certainly is the main source of feedback. Also taking that factor in that Team Beyond has grown very negative since I’ve been there and I most recently left that community last year.

Also taking into consideration that the community is split 50/50 between Sprint. 343 is not going to not include Sprint because one crowd doesn’t like it. That’s not the way a Game Dev works, if Sprint was taken out, people that liked Sprint would probably leave for another game or would have come and addressed their viewpoints on the forums. If Sprint is in the game which in matchmaking it obviously will be, people will leave. So either way the community is at a loss from both sides.

A Game Dev will make their game for people who are going to play it, not for people that won’t. Many of the Old Halo Community (Bungie Wise) will leave and likely 343 will be ready for that, but also they are going to be ready for whatever new Halo fans they get. Yeah I know I’ll get the people like you are whats killing Halo, and you’re not a true Halo fan if you accept everything from 343. Actually however that’s a complete lie and I will tell you that through my moniter. People who accept 343’s changes and like the way Halo 5 is going are not killing Halo. It is the community itself that is attacking those individuals that like Halo 5 and are accepting of the changes that are killing both the community and Halo itself, because they are not respectful of those individuals and their opinions and views. However with the true Halo fan insult, A true Halo fan or diehard fan of the series I should say, has dedication to the franchise and likely has every single Halo game in their possession. They enjoy a new Halo because it’s what’s enjoyable for them.

Halo will likely die out because it’s Era has ended, Halo’s Era was 2001-2010. Every game changes whether you accept it or not and it will survive because of the people that play it. Many Halo fans will leave the franchise because they aren’t comfortable or accepting of the changes. However unpopular Halo gets, it will survive because of the new Halo fans that come into the franchise. Old fans leave and New fans come into the fold, that’s how it is.

My opinion the the Post Beta Stats is that I’m content with it, I buy every Halo game regardless because yes I am a die hard Halo fan. You can say I disliked Reach and Halo 4 but I still liked those games for what I enjoyed them for.

That is all…agree or disagree, the way this community has devolved, it matters not to me. However this is my voice in the Halo community and nothing changes that.

Its insulting that they actually think the community is dumb enough to not see how deceptive they were with that 11% stat.

Its becoming impossible to root for these people.

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I was to busy reading the changes to the game I might potentially be playing then caring about a survey percentage that mean jck sht. You know and I know and everyone knows sprint isn’t going anywhere that’s why they are trying so hard to nerf it and make it likeable. Just like OP stated they allready know they won’t get everyone on board, but some will leave and some will come and hell maybe one day “we” won’t even be the community no more. Like a movie changing directors. You have the I hate the remake, I’ll only watch the original, and you have the I like the remake and could careless about the original. Then there’s the small percentage that enjoy both original and remake for different reasons and ultimately learned to stop comparing them because of how different the vision of the directors differ from each other

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Based on how deceptive 343 is I wouldnt anything they say at face value.

“Increase in base movement speed” could mean a .01% increase In 343 language.

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That’s very truth if anything the 360 and ps3 console war as taught me is that it may as well all be politics at this point lol. Honestly only time will tell. Least now it’s out of their mouth they better back it up

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Then what is stopping you from supporting 343? You don’t support the changes, I get that and I do respect that. But as I stated in my OP, if one crowd gets there way, it’s a total loss for the other side and 343 understands that. Sprint isn’t going anywhere but it will be able to be toggled for custom games, that’s as best as it is going to get besides the base speed nerf when sprinting. At most that’s the very best they can do without -Yoink!- off either side of the community and that goes for any change made to the game.
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Ya they don’t get it though, hardcore antisprint people. They really do not understand or they would of stopped bashing their heads against the same wall a while ago. I’m just disappointed in most, figured today a lot more would be happy, but no. So I will never have hope for any of them. Nothing will ever be good enough.

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No I understand that crowd, but I also stated in my OP that if 343 caters to one crowd and not the other, one side would be pissed off. I know Anti-Sprint supporters don’t think Sprint belongs in Halo, though the fact being that they aren’t being respectful of those that do. You cannot leave one crowd out of the picture, it will not work. Sprint and other mechanics form Halo 5 and 343 is not scrapping that because one crowd doesn’t want it. Hell Halo 5 may sell less then Halo 4 did, though it will survive because of the fans that will enjoy playing it.

Anyone who refuses to play a game because of a sprint ability is just a brat. plain and simple.

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> Anyone who refuses to play a game because of a sprint ability is just a brat. plain and simple.

Actually no, that’s not true. People choose not to play a game because of a feature or mechanic they don’t like. If some don’t like Sprint in Halo, then they likely won’t buy Halo 5. That’s how it goes.

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> Anyone who refuses to play a game because of a sprint ability is just a brat. plain and simple.

Ad hominem gets you nowhere.

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> Anyone who refuses to play a game because of a sprint ability is just a brat. plain and simple.

Or gasp the game is actually better and more fun without it?

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Bryanneo, didn’t think I’d see you here. What are your thoughts on my OP and the overall changes post beta, if you don’t mind me asking?

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Lol. You truthers are hilarious.

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Hmm…? Do I know you sir?

Well the changes are overall good, like the toggles, the adjustments to speed. Of course they say this but we will really have to see in the end so I’m not 100% sold. But I also have some questions of my own that I would like them to answer or address such as the ADS animation & look and why they are really adamant about sprint.

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I was talking to you a while back in a thread about what if Sprint was tailored for certain playlists such as BTB, had a long discussion about it. What do you mean about the ADS animation? For the whole sandbox or precision or automatics? To be honest it don’t feel right ADSing with an AR.

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Oh yes I see I see.

The animation just irks me because I know for a fact it gives some players the impression of a real ADS, even though that’s definitely not what Halo has.

So I want to see if they can go back to old zoom screens instead or something like the Light Rifle’s smart scope. Sure you can barely see the tip of the gun but the overall design is just so cool (not to mention covers your head like the zoom of old) that I can let it slide.

I wouldn’t really mind if the non zoom weapons in the past were able to zoom too however. But do not give them any significant advantage, least not a major one. For instance if the bullet spread bloom was reset back to normal faster in scope, that would be fine I believe.

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Oh so your saying have the classic zoom for the precision weapons and maybe have ADS for non-precision weapons? I can actually see that.

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Have zooms for the automatics too yes but if you see the weapon while you are zoomed that wouldn’t be good IMO.

I’ve seen a good fan made screenshot of what a zoomed Assault Rifle would look like.

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> Its insulting that they actually think the community is dumb enough to not see how deceptive they were with that 11% stat.
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> Its becoming impossible to root for these people.

Not too bright, are you? You can -Yoink- with statistic in many ways, an open-to-all random survey is not one of them.