In Halo 5 show the price of victory.

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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In Halo 4 343i sort of made it seem like the last 28 years of war with several different factions didn’t really hurt us that much. With blazing new ships and shiny new armor it looks like we didn’t really get hurt by the war.

The new images of halo 5 look gritty and sullen. That is what i expected to see in Halo 4. Granted that the Infinity is the most powerful ship we have and I’m more than sure that it would look nice and powerful as any should, but the ship might have a short life since its about as powerful as a Covenant Carrier (I think) and the Covenant isn’t really in short supply of their carriers.

Back on topic, with the new images it looks like we will see what the war really did to us besides giving people hatred towards the Covenant for nearly killing us all. In the Halo 4 trailer when we see Del Rio giving his speech to the crew of the Infinity when they first launch, it seems like the planet they are on is heaven. Glowing white clouds, sunshiny day not a single sign that just 4 years ago everything that was there was probably being bombed by alien star ships.

So i hope there will actually be that scene of the lingering doom of another Covenant assault or Forerunner after the Didact attacked Earth. Maybe canons just out side of cities, large numbers of armed forces, and ships up and ready for any immanent attack. The even worst part is, the attacks probably won’t even be from an alien either. Innies are still out there plotting, and striking. With nearly everything we had gone Innies would have the perfect chance to try and move in on UNSC turf. Taking colonies that we might of forgotten about or have yet to move into and attacking weak cites on Earth and other systems.

Just saying, after so many years of war, and nearly being destroyed, i just don’t see how Lasky thinks we are the Big Dogs like he says in the intro to Halo 4 MP. If anything we are still Little Red, we got out of the forest but the Big Bad Wolf is waiting for us where we least expect it.

That sort of implies that MC might be killing us soon but who knows but Frank O’Connor at this point.

Side Note-I’m still confused on the power of the Spartan IV’s. Can someone help clear it up. I know Spartan II’s were on par with majors but they Spartans favored tactics more than using over zealous attacks and won many times, same for the Spartan III’s. So after gunning down about 20 elites in Spartan Ops and just being (to my knowledge) an average Spartan IV. How good are they in combat.

Before i sort of put them as Spartan I’s in shielded SPI armor but now i’m very uncertain after seeing Majestic, Crimson and what Palmer has down in the comics. So can someone shed some light on this because it seems to me that the Spartan IV’s are the best generation yet and seem to be unstoppable.

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> Side Note-I’m still confused on the power of the Spartan IV’s. Can someone help clear it up. I know Spartan II’s were on par with majors but they Spartans favored tactics more than using over zealous attacks and won many times, same for the Spartan III’s. So after gunning down about 20 elites in Spartan Ops and just being (to my knowledge) an average Spartan IV. How good are they in combat.
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> Before i sort of put them as Spartan I’s in shielded SPI armor but now i’m very uncertain after seeing Majestic, Crimson and what Palmer has down in the comics. So can someone shed some light on this because it seems to me that the Spartan IV’s are the best generation yet and seem to be unstoppable.

Spartan IIs were definitely the superior spartans compared to all the others. IVs are more like your more exceptional ODSTs with shields.

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> > Side Note-I’m still confused on the power of the Spartan IV’s. Can someone help clear it up. I know Spartan II’s were on par with majors but they Spartans favored tactics more than using over zealous attacks and won many times, same for the Spartan III’s. So after gunning down about 20 elites in Spartan Ops and just being (to my knowledge) an average Spartan IV. How good are they in combat.
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> > Before i sort of put them as Spartan I’s in shielded SPI armor but now i’m very uncertain after seeing Majestic, Crimson and what Palmer has down in the comics. So can someone shed some light on this because it seems to me that the Spartan IV’s are the best generation yet and seem to be unstoppable.
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> Spartan IIs were definitely the superior spartans compared to all the others. IVs are more like your more exceptional ODSTs with shields.

I saw Sarah Palmer wrestling elites, a normal ODST wouldn’t even dare getting close to an elite unless they had a Shotgun. Covenant Forces ruled in CQC with being physically superior to us humans and plasma rounds exploding on contact. I see ODST with shields like the ODST gameplay style of H3 ODST. I know ODST are good but giving them shields shouldn’t charge things so drastically in Halo.

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> > > Side Note-I’m still confused on the power of the Spartan IV’s. Can someone help clear it up. I know Spartan II’s were on par with majors but they Spartans favored tactics more than using over zealous attacks and won many times, same for the Spartan III’s. So after gunning down about 20 elites in Spartan Ops and just being (to my knowledge) an average Spartan IV. How good are they in combat.
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> > > Before i sort of put them as Spartan I’s in shielded SPI armor but now i’m very uncertain after seeing Majestic, Crimson and what Palmer has down in the comics. So can someone shed some light on this because it seems to me that the Spartan IV’s are the best generation yet and seem to be unstoppable.
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> > Spartan IIs were definitely the superior spartans compared to all the others. IVs are more like your more exceptional ODSTs with shields.
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> I saw Sarah Palmer wrestling elites, a normal ODST wouldn’t even dare getting close to an elite unless they had a Shotgun. Covenant Forces ruled in CQC with being physically superior to us humans and plasma rounds exploding on contact. I see ODST with shields like the ODST gameplay style of H3 ODST. I know ODST are good but giving them shields shouldn’t charge things so drastically in Halo.

SIVs are just below SIIs by training. SIIs were trained since they were 5yrs old, SIVs got Spartan Training in their late 20s-mid 30s(guessing by looks). Tech wise SIVs surpass SIIs. They’re a bit tied as far as experience goes though.

OT: I’d like the next Halo to show the price of humanities “victory”. It nearly got wiped out, several worlds were razed to the ground to glass. Billions apon Billions of people were killed. I’d like to a see ruined cities and slums. Floating graveyards of human and covenants ships. It was more of a survival than a victory though.

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> I saw Sarah Palmer wrestling elites, a normal ODST wouldn’t even dare getting close to an elite unless they had a Shotgun. Covenant Forces ruled in CQC with being physically superior to us humans and plasma rounds exploding on contact. I see ODST with shields like the ODST gameplay style of H3 ODST. I know ODST are good but giving them shields shouldn’t charge things so drastically in Halo.

I meant skill/training. IVs are augmented just like IIs and IIIs were. That’s how they can wear the armor in the first place.

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> > > > Side Note-I’m still confused on the power of the Spartan IV’s. Can someone help clear it up. I know Spartan II’s were on par with majors but they Spartans favored tactics more than using over zealous attacks and won many times, same for the Spartan III’s. So after gunning down about 20 elites in Spartan Ops and just being (to my knowledge) an average Spartan IV. How good are they in combat.
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> > > > Before i sort of put them as Spartan I’s in shielded SPI armor but now i’m very uncertain after seeing Majestic, Crimson and what Palmer has down in the comics. So can someone shed some light on this because it seems to me that the Spartan IV’s are the best generation yet and seem to be unstoppable.
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> > > Spartan IIs were definitely the superior spartans compared to all the others. IVs are more like your more exceptional ODSTs with shields.
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> > I saw Sarah Palmer wrestling elites, a normal ODST wouldn’t even dare getting close to an elite unless they had a Shotgun. Covenant Forces ruled in CQC with being physically superior to us humans and plasma rounds exploding on contact. I see ODST with shields like the ODST gameplay style of H3 ODST. I know ODST are good but giving them shields shouldn’t charge things so drastically in Halo.
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> SIVs are just below SIIs by training. SIIs were trained since they were 5yrs old, SIVs got Spartan Training in their late 20s-mid 30s(guessing by looks). Tech wise SIVs surpass SIIs. They’re a bit tied as far as experience goes though.
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> <mark>Spoiler if you haven’t read the latest comic</mark>
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> Also that a single SIV can take out a trio of other SIVs is both positive and negative. Positive that he took out 3 other SIVs, negative that those SIVs weren’t able to eliminate him.

Please explain more, i wish to know.

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agreed with the op, make it gritty and sullen and make it seem like the worlds are still dangerous places to be

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Actually, i don’t think Del Rio was the one giving the speech, if you watch the trailer more carefully, you’ll see him as a bystander listening to the speech itself.

On topic: what exactly do you want them to show besides large defences? I think the reason why they didn’t show this in Halo 4, is because it didn’t affect the plot in any way. Maybe in future they can show us battle scarred cities and mention some areas where there is poverty (as this would occur in a realistic war situation), but thats it, really…

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> > I saw Sarah Palmer wrestling elites, a normal ODST wouldn’t even dare getting close to an elite unless they had a Shotgun. Covenant Forces ruled in CQC with being physically superior to us humans and plasma rounds exploding on contact. I see ODST with shields like the ODST gameplay style of H3 ODST. I know ODST are good but giving them shields shouldn’t charge things so drastically in Halo.
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> I meant skill/training. IVs are augmented just like IIs and IIIs were. That’s how they can wear the armor in the first place.

But wasn’t their augmentation not as powerful as the II’s and a cheaper version than the III’s. Along with not being born to war Spartan IV’s shouldn’t really be to the skill of any of the groups but the Spartan I’s. The MK2 Mjolnir was even made so that it can be used by weaker humans than the Spartan II’s. I don’t know if the shows that the IV’s are weaker of that they made the armor to be more universal that MK1.

In most of the books there really isn’t a time where the Spartans dominate elites to the point of what we saw in Halo 4. Not even being harmed and destroying them with no opposition.

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> Actually, i don’t think Del Rio was the one giving the speech, if you watch the trailer more carefully, you’ll see him as a bystander listening to the speech itself.
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> On topic: what exactly do you want them to show besides large defences? I think the reason why they didn’t show this in Halo 4, is because it didn’t affect the plot in any way. Maybe in future they can show us battle scarred cities and mention some areas where there is poverty (as this would occur in a realistic war situation), but thats it, really…

I’ll check that out thanks for the tip.

I expected alot more than what looked like Coruscant. New Phoenix seemed to not have any type of defenses while looking like what was a major city. Even with Didact losing in on the western side of the world i’m sure the UNSC must of had some sort of defenses besides the Home Fleet over an entire continent, maybe even evac teams ready to get people out of a city the second the sight of an unknown alien warship shows up. Yet the cars of the streets showed no signs of escaping.

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There were places not touched by the Covenant. On Earth as well.

While the Covenant did assault several places around the planet, they were mainly focused on Mombasa and the Portal. New Pheonix probably didn’t get attacked. The city of Infinity’s Commissioning Ceremony probably wasn’t attacked either.

And while Infinity did manage to warn fleet command and Earth’s Home Fleet, they still had no idea what the Didact was planning to do. All they knew was that he was coming and had a device called the Composer… which they had no idea what it could do, what its range was, or how they could stop it. There was no time to get evacuations ready, and definitely no time to warn people, considering they had no idea where the Didact was going to attack. Besides, 6 months later the event is still known as the New Phoenix Incident, not the Attack or Battle of New Phoenix. The masses don’t know it was actually attacked, much less that it was attacked by a Forerunner vessel, who most people probably don’t even know what a Forerunner was.

The attack displayed exactly what it was supposed to. A normal day, innocent people, no idea of what was to come. All of a sudden, they’re gone. Empty cars litter the street, some crashed, but everything is otherwise perfectly fine. Except for the piles of dust everywhere.
There was no way anyone could have tried to help.

It’d been over 4 years since something had attacked Earth. And all the UNSC could prepare for was Covenant attacks or Insurrectionist attacks. Which wouldn’t be very large post war and would easily be stopped by the home fleet and the Orbital MAC Platforms. No one expected an attack, and no one certainly expected a Forerunner ship.
Infinity managed to warn them, but they probably only had an hour at most to prepare. And however prepared they were, no one expected the attack to come in the form of a ship a quarter the size of the Moon that shrugged off bombardment from the Super MACs like they were nothing. All Infinity saw was the Cryptum, not that thing.

But yes, when the situation supports it, I’d definitely like to see more of the truth of the war. Not the propaganda the very tip of Humanity taking the initiative, hiding the destruction underneath. There are actually a lot of issues brewing. Insurrectionists are returning, and are gathering more of a following because they feel that the UNSC abandoned some colonies to the Covenant.
Maybe visiting a glassland, a planet that was glassed, would help get some emotion of the war in. Have all the characters stare in silence at a world possibly still smoking, its once beautiful surface now a charred, crumbled chunk of glass-like ash.

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Agreed. I wanna see some Glasslands in Halo 5

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(I guess I am mainly talking spops here) The whole ‘gung ho’ attitude of the SIV’s grates to me after such a massive war with such huge loss of life. I hope that kind of attitude is not repeated in future.

In one mission briefing Palmer says something like “should be fun!”. Try to play spops with no deaths on heroic or higher and tell me that it would be fun to be in that situation for real. Good grief.

The cost of the war should not only be in terms of material but also in terms of the psche and attitudes of the people who have lived through it.

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I really liked Halo: Reach’s aesthetic. Something a little bit more realistic, more gritty and worn torn but still colourful would be nice.

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The spartan IIs have recieved augmentations for a long time ever since they were a child and the children even had perfect genes too so they are physically better than spartan IVs. The spartan IV have more advanced armour which enhances the users capabilities just as well as the spartan 2 armour. Basically if master chief has spartan IV armour he would be pretty much unstoppable

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> There were places not touched by the Covenant. On Earth as well.
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> While the Covenant did assault several places around the planet, they were mainly focused on Mombasa and the Portal. New Pheonix probably didn’t get attacked. The city of Infinity’s Commissioning Ceremony probably wasn’t attacked either.
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> And while Infinity did manage to warn fleet command and Earth’s Home Fleet, they still had no idea what the Didact was planning to do. All they knew was that he was coming and had a device called the Composer… which they had no idea what it could do, what its range was, or how they could stop it. There was no time to get evacuations ready, and definitely no time to warn people, considering they had no idea where the Didact was going to attack. Besides, 6 months later the event is still known as the New Phoenix Incident, not the Attack or Battle of New Phoenix. The masses don’t know it was actually attacked, much less that it was attacked by a Forerunner vessel, who most people probably don’t even know what a Forerunner was.
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> The attack displayed exactly what it was supposed to. A normal day, innocent people, no idea of what was to come. All of a sudden, they’re gone. Empty cars litter the street, some crashed, but everything is otherwise perfectly fine. Except for the piles of dust everywhere.
> There was no way anyone could have tried to help.
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> It’d been over 4 years since something had attacked Earth. And all the UNSC could prepare for was Covenant attacks or Insurrectionist attacks. Which wouldn’t be very large post war and would easily be stopped by the home fleet and the Orbital MAC Platforms. No one expected an attack, and no one certainly expected a Forerunner ship.
> Infinity managed to warn them, but they probably only had an hour at most to prepare. And however prepared they were, no one expected the attack to come in the form of a ship a quarter the size of the Moon that shrugged off bombardment from the Super MACs like they were nothing. All Infinity saw was the Cryptum, not that thing.
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> But yes, when the situation supports it, I’d definitely like to see more of the truth of the war. Not the propaganda the very tip of Humanity taking the initiative, hiding the destruction underneath. There are actually a lot of issues brewing. Insurrectionists are returning, and are gathering more of a following because they feel that the UNSC abandoned some colonies to the Covenant.
> Maybe visiting a glassland, a planet that was glassed, would help get some emotion of the war in. Have all the characters stare in silence at a world possibly still smoking, its once beautiful surface now a charred, crumbled chunk of glass-like ash.

Earth saw a full siege, it might not of been at first but eventually Earth was being attacked all over to the point of the population going from billions, millions in those months. That is also counting the Flood assault on our planet.

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People may know about as much about the Forerunners as the average person knows about the Mayans but i’m sure they know they are there now because the whole reason the Covenant went for Africa was for the Ark. Its not like The UNSC covered that up, people know about stuff now. I’m sure they don’t know about how the rings technically saved us and that religion i s a lie but that is good because the people might go into a frenzy because of that.

Also, today, we can pinpoint where a nuke will land if fired and i’m sure the UNSC can as well and that is what gets me. Laksy got a warning and told Fleet Comm of an impending “Forerunner Attack”. The knew the risk to the point they felt that their decades old vet wasn’t the man to fight it off, but Lasky who has had might of had little experience as a Captain of such a vessel. Even after Didact blew through the Home Fleet and the Infinity got out unharmed (somehow) they still were able to predict where Didact was heading, and if they were thinking on the scale of a Forerunner assault it would of been clear that the ship who just beat the entire Home Fleet and the Infinity is technologically superior and was still heading for the North Western side of Earth. Just from that Cities should of began going into full alert at the notice of an impending global attack. Than after calculations of where Didact was going cities should of had all people gone before the Didact could even fire the Composer.

THe only reason i can think of that New Phoenix wasn’t warned in some way was for Oni, UNSC or someone to use the attack as propaganda against the Covenant or aliens in general.

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> The spartan IIs have recieved augmentations for a long time ever since they were a child and the children even had perfect genes too so they are physically better than spartan IVs. The spartan IV have more advanced armour which enhances the users capabilities just as well as the spartan 2 armour. <mark>Basically if master chief has spartan IV armour he would be pretty much unstoppable</mark>

After decades of outstanding service to the military and being awarded every major medal but the Prisoner of War, i’m sure he was rated unstoppable years ago.

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> > The spartan IIs have recieved augmentations for a long time ever since they were a child and the children even had perfect genes too so they are physically better than spartan IVs. The spartan IV have more advanced armour which enhances the users capabilities just as well as the spartan 2 armour. <mark>Basically if master chief has spartan IV armour he would be pretty much unstoppable</mark>
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> After decades of outstanding service to the military and being awarded every major medal but the Prisoner of War, i’m sure he was rated unstoppable years ago.

Master chief can’t quickscope therefore he isn’t a MLG sniper pro master, so he isn’t unstoppable Lol :slight_smile:

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> (I guess I am mainly talking spops here) The whole ‘gung ho’ attitude of the SIV’s grates to me after such a massive war with such huge loss of life. I hope that kind of attitude is not repeated in future.
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> In one mission briefing Palmer says something like “should be fun!”. Try to play spops with no deaths on heroic or higher and tell me that it would be fun to be in that situation for real. Good grief.
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> The cost of the war should not only be in terms of material but also in terms of the psche and attitudes of the people who have lived through it.

Agreed, war isn’t some play ground of fun. Its a horrible event that those who go through fight it because their is little hope without it. The UNSC is filled with soldiers, those who fight for the flag and those with them on the battlefield. The Covenant is filled with Warriors, those who fight for the purpose of killing to reach a goal. Those two words define us greatly.

I understand feeling immortal like many people do but i would think that Palmer would understand that in the battle the toys are put away and the death machines role out. I’m fine with the attitudes of Majestic, sort of. Madsen is the “if” here but the rest of the squad are normal people outside of combat and when they get into it, they step up and are aware that they are in danger. Just look at Demarco.

When we first see him he seems to be the average guy and not a trained killer, but when you see him in combat, he goes through a personality change. HE’s always first, puts his squad out of harms way and doesn’t do anything that might endanger them. In Sops when he saw an issue, he didn’t just try to bring it down, he knew his limits and called for backup. Demarco shows great leadership but i guess alot of people didn’t pay much attention to those moments or didn’t play the rest of sops.

Palmer doesn’t seem the think ahead at all. Jul and his troops would of killed her in moments if Majestic wasn’t there. She owes everything she did to Throne and Glassman for killing about a dozen elites with that bomb and causing Jul’s right hand man to leave his post. With them there, she wouldn’t of gotten after. Not only would a top of the line assassin be on her tail but an entire troop of Elites and maybe Knights.

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> > > The spartan IIs have recieved augmentations for a long time ever since they were a child and the children even had perfect genes too so they are physically better than spartan IVs. The spartan IV have more advanced armour which enhances the users capabilities just as well as the spartan 2 armour. <mark>Basically if master chief has spartan IV armour he would be pretty much unstoppable</mark>
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> > After decades of outstanding service to the military and being awarded every major medal but the Prisoner of War, i’m sure he was rated unstoppable years ago.
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> Master chief can’t quickscope therefore he isn’t a MLG sniper pro master, so he isn’t unstoppable Lol :slight_smile:

Master of Every Weapon

Also, you made me think of something. The Binary rifle is the only Sniper in Halo to ever have anything to do with quick scoping being a benefit. Large hip fire bloom and massive buff while looking through the scope. Not sure if that was because of balancing or just to lean more towards COD. Never really thought of it until now.