Improving is Difficult

Anytime I’ve ever asked an experienced player how I can be a better player, they’ve always answered, “Play with others who are better than yourself”.

Here’s the problem with that.

If I play with and against players who are far better than myself, I’ll consistently play poorly.
If I consistently play poorly, my self confidence will obviously dwindle with each death and each loss.
If my self confidence is non-existent, I’ll only play even worse, which leads to me getting aggravated and angry.
Which then becomes a cycle of anger and my inability to play well against such superior players.

Also, my teammates would obviously not want to play with me as I’m pulling them down and often causing losses.

Help?

Asking someone how to get better in halo always yields bad results. The reason for this is most players don’t really know how or why they eventually got better at the game. I can say that i have a few tips and ideas of how I got better, (although this doesn’t necessarily mean it will help you but here goes)

  1. Teamwork - one of the major components of doing well in a game is supporting your team in the correct ways. There are many things you can do to improve your teamwork within the game. first off, try to play with a group you know (its hard to play a support role with people that you don’t know their playstyle or what role in the team they fill.
  2. Map controll - Ever feel like the other team just simply has the map locked down, and you cant get out of your own spawns or get to a power weapon? There’s a reason for that. Map control is one of the most important factors in succeeding against a team of competent players. ( http://www.wikihow.com/Improve-As-a-Team-in-Halo-3) i wasnt able to find the article that I was looking for but this one will do. try reading this article and try to absorb it. learn those callouts, and learn how to use them.
  3. practice! - i know this seems self explanatory but being good with a BR can be the difference between a loss and a win. Familiarize yourself with as many weapons as possible so that you can use them as effectively as possible, (for example, the differences between the RT and B button swings with the sword, learning that the mauler will NOT kill with a point blank shot, so you need to shoot AND melee, jumping and shooting the ground at their feet with the rockets instead of shooting them at them.) Practice your BRing and your strafeing , they are invaluable.

this really only scratches the surface of being good at the game, some other things to learn would be how to predict spawns, and how to break an enemies setup. I hope this helps, honestly there is no Binary way to get good at halo, it just comes from time, experience, and practice.
4.

This is me DeMoNCaaT speaking. If you truly want to become a great Halo player you have to invest tons of time into the game. The reason you should play with better Halo players is to pick up whatever they are doing, and do it yourself. You aren’t going to improve solely by playing with better players, as you also need to have the right mindset. When asking yourself questions like “Why did I die? And how can I not die next game?” you will pick up their tactics, and how to embrace them, faster.

There are many things that you will learn after playing the game for a long time, things that applies to everyone.

  • Never lift up any lift if there are players at the exit.
    (Never use the lift on Valhalla if the players have mid-control, or if they have camo control on epitaph).
  • Never challenge a bruteshot if the player is above you.
  • Try to avoid attacking a shotgun user if you have the sword (There are exceptions).
  • Through any kind of shield or regenerator, the sword is almost guaranteed
    a win against a shotgun.
  • Always think twice before going around a corner.
  • If you have the rocket, always be extra careful around the bubble-shield spawn area or if you see it is taken.
  • If you have host remember that you can hit through walls with the hammer.
  • If you have host remember that your AR is a monster, and that you will always win every beat-down duel.
  • Learn every opening-start (Where to go when the match begins).
  • Learn a few jumps.
  • If someone is going to get the OS, just turn around and run.
    And much more.

These are all things me and you can practice if you want, without really playing a 1v1, but just starting up a custom game practicing each and every episode to see the different outcomes. You should also watch higher level gameplays to see what a great player would done in what situation, and whenever you happens to be in the same situation as him, do the same.

Here is also a video about sensitivities.

I’ve learned a lot by simply watching the pro streams. I still can’t aim worth crap though.

Observing the good players and how they move around a map in theater mode can help. If you need a more first person view to see exactly what someone is doing youtube gameplay is helpful as well.

Most who are left in Halo 3 even modes like Social slayer are pretty hardcore. I’ve never seen so many full party 50 teams while I am the only 50 on my team with randoms. I’ve learned to still pull a positive k/d in matches like that even if my team losses horribly.

If your BR shots aren’t very good or can’t get strafing down you should do the BR box.

Go in forge with a friend who is pretty good with a BR and make a box on foundry or sandbox. … literally a small box map with two spawn points across from each other. I’d say make the box about mid range shooting for a BR. Then set the shields to leech and a score of 100. What this does is you have to not only shoot your opponent to kill them they have to miss you. Since shields are set to leech if they shoot you they get shields back and vice versa. The score is set high because it will take you hours to fine tune the strafing and get that “ahh ha!” moment. Once strafing becomes muscle memory and you no longer have to think about strafing when engaging in a fight you’ll see your skill level rise easily. I’d say that alone could get you a Brigadier lvl 45 in Lone Wolves or team slayer no doubt.

I would do this for hours back in the day with a friend and you have no clue how much better this made my strafing with a BR. I don’t even have to think about complicated strafe moves while in a fight. This skillset has carried on with me into Reach and Halo 4 even and has made those games a cakewalk because 99% of the population can’t out strafe me.

What I just explained is just one of the many areas you can improve on in Halo 3 to get better. I haven’t even gone into to detail about map control, starting strats, late game strategies, timing power weapons, how to survive certain situations, or good awareness.

If you are thinking to yourself “this is too much work to do well at Halo 3” well … this is Halo 3. It ain’t no free ride game like Reach and Halo 4 where everything is handed to you. I love playing Halo 3 because it’s not a game players with no skill can pick up and do well. Only those who put the time into it and possess some talent can succeed. I’ve never been into holding hand games like the future Halo titles are like. I enjoy the games that reward those who are actually good by their own skills and not a button on the controller that gives the jetpack to fly to avoid a dangerous part of the map or free camo all match.

> Anytime I’ve ever asked an experienced player how I can be a better player, they’ve always answered, “Play with others who are better than yourself”.
>
> Here’s the problem with that.
>
> If I play with and against players who are far better than myself, I’ll consistently play poorly.
> If I consistently play poorly, my self confidence will obviously dwindle with each death and each loss.
> If my self confidence is non-existent, I’ll only play even worse, which leads to me getting aggravated and angry.
> Which then becomes a cycle of anger and my inability to play well against such superior players.
>
>
> Also, my teammates would obviously not want to play with me as I’m pulling them down and often causing losses.
>
> Help?

Being somewhat new to MM, I’m sort of in the same boat as you. I have several friends who are really good at Halo MM. When I play with them, I don’t do well at all because we’re matched against players who have a skill level similar to them.

I’ve even asked them the same question you posed. They all say the same thing as others here. But, it’s not as easy as it sounds. They can’t be coaching you during the game, and all you can do is try to stay with them to lend support. Although it is rewarding to finally drop one of the high rankers or hijack his Banshee… :slight_smile:

When I go into a team slayer game as a random with skill match searching set, I do a lot better, usually positive k/d, and the games are a lot more fun. When they are fun, you’ll play more. Play more and you’ll learn more. Learning the maps, weapon spawns, how players play, how to use the weapons and more come easier/faster. Watch and learn from your saved films. What’s missing when playing as a random is communication and team strategy.

In the end, playing H3 should be fun first. It’s far too late to begin a serious H3 MM career. My advice, find others with a similar skill level to play with, then select “skill matching” before searching for a game.

I always say to never lose sight of why you are playing. Competitive or casual, people play games to relax and have fun. I consistently do poorly at ranked (and social too) if I’m tense and worried. Take deep breaths between games to prevent the last loss from making you play angrily which is by far the worst way to play. There will be people who say mean things about you “dragging down the team” but often that is just them venting after experiencing the same rage as you. They just took out their anger on someone else.

Basically, Halo is game about strategy and coordination. Both of these require a clear head to use. If you get caught up in being bad or good at the game, you lose your biggest asset to winning.

> > Anytime I’ve ever asked an experienced player how I can be a better player, they’ve always answered, “Play with others who are better than yourself”.
> >
> > Here’s the problem with that.
> >
> > If I play with and against players who are far better than myself, I’ll consistently play poorly.
> > If I consistently play poorly, my self confidence will obviously dwindle with each death and each loss.
> > If my self confidence is non-existent, I’ll only play even worse, which leads to me getting aggravated and angry.
> > Which then becomes a cycle of anger and my inability to play well against such superior players.
> >
> >
> > Also, my teammates would obviously not want to play with me as I’m pulling them down and often causing losses.
> >
> > Help?
>
> <mark>Being somewhat new to MM, I’m sort of in the same boat as you.</mark> I have several friends who are really good at Halo MM. When I play with them, I don’t do well at all because we’re matched against players who have a skill level similar to them.
>
> I’ve even asked them the same question you posed. They all say the same thing as others here. But, it’s not as easy as it sounds. They can’t be coaching you during the game, and all you can do is try to stay with them to lend support. Although it is rewarding to finally drop one of the high rankers or hijack his Banshee… :slight_smile:
>
> When I go into a team slayer game as a random with skill match searching set, I do a lot better, usually positive k/d, and the games are a lot more fun. When they are fun, you’ll play more. Play more and you’ll learn more. Learning the maps, weapon spawns, how players play, how to use the weapons and more come easier/faster. Watch and learn from your saved films. What’s missing when playing as a random is communication and team strategy.
>
> In the end, playing H3 should be fun first. It’s far too late to begin a serious H3 MM career. My advice, find others with a similar skill level to play with, then select “skill matching” before searching for a game.

But that’s just it.
I’m not new to this.
I’ve been playing for 5+ years.
Yet I play like I just started.

When Reach came out, I got realpy good.
But two months after Halo 4 released, I started getting much worse at Halo.
I don’t know how.
It’s not even possible to get worse as you play the game daily!

FML
Just lost a match of Lone Wolves.
I lost before that too.
And before that.
And before that.

I can’t keep playing this game if I’m not improving or having fun.
It’s just stressing me out.

I asked BBK Dragoon if he would review my gameplay like he does for others.

He’s not responding… :frowning:

I can’t review my own gameplay.
I watch it and, as far as I know, I’m doing everything correctly.
Yet, I always lose. :frowning:

> But that’s just it.
> I’m not new to this.
> I’ve been playing for 5+ years.
> Yet I play like I just started.
>
> When Reach came out, I got realpy good.
> But two months after Halo 4 released, I started getting much worse at Halo.
> I don’t know how.
> It’s not even possible to get worse as you play the game daily!
>
> FML
> Just lost a match of Lone Wolves.
> I lost before that too.
> And before that.
> And before that.
>
> I can’t keep playing this game if I’m not improving or having fun.
> It’s just stressing me out.

Do you actually enjoy playing? Sometimes lack of enjoyment can equate to a perceived deterioration in skill, when the reality is you’re just burnt out on the game, take 5 when you hit a losing streak!

> > But that’s just it.
> > I’m not new to this.
> > I’ve been playing for 5+ years.
> > Yet I play like I just started.
> >
> > When Reach came out, I got realpy good.
> > But two months after Halo 4 released, I started getting much worse at Halo.
> > I don’t know how.
> > It’s not even possible to get worse as you play the game daily!
> >
> > FML
> > Just lost a match of Lone Wolves.
> > I lost before that too.
> > And before that.
> > And before that.
> >
> > I can’t keep playing this game if I’m not improving or having fun.
> > It’s just stressing me out.
>
> Do you actually enjoy playing? Sometimes lack of enjoyment can equate to a perceived deterioration in skill, when the reality is you’re just burnt out on the game, take 5 when you hit a losing streak!

In Reach, I used a 10 sensitivity.
And I rarely missed. I was good.

In Halo 4, I ended up lowering my sensitivity to a 4.
Which didn’t help. I still sucked.

And no. I don’t enjoy playing.
I enjoy playing, IF I’m winning.
And I’m not doing much of that.

> > > But that’s just it.
> > > I’m not new to this.
> > > I’ve been playing for 5+ years.
> > > Yet I play like I just started.
> > >
> > > When Reach came out, I got realpy good.
> > > But two months after Halo 4 released, I started getting much worse at Halo.
> > > I don’t know how.
> > > It’s not even possible to get worse as you play the game daily!
> > >
> > > FML
> > > Just lost a match of Lone Wolves.
> > > I lost before that too.
> > > And before that.
> > > And before that.
> > >
> > > I can’t keep playing this game if I’m not improving or having fun.
> > > It’s just stressing me out.
> >
> > Do you actually enjoy playing? Sometimes lack of enjoyment can equate to a perceived deterioration in skill, when the reality is you’re just burnt out on the game, take 5 when you hit a losing streak!
>
> In Reach, I used a 10 sensitivity.
> And I rarely missed. I was good.
>
> In Halo 4, I ended up lowering my sensitivity to a 4.
> Which didn’t help. I still sucked.
>
> And no. I don’t enjoy playing.
> I enjoy playing, IF I’m winning.
> And I’m not doing much of that.

I would definetly comment on parts of your gameplay if you uploded it to Youtube for me.

I also have a few gameplays myself that I could show you.

Even though I might not be the particular person reviewing your gameplay, I don’t think BBK DRAGOON is the right person to ask.

Bungie.net /Compared to your level 38.

> But that’s just it.
> I’m not new to this.
> I’ve been playing for 5+ years.
> Yet I play like I just started.
>
> I can’t keep playing this game if I’m not improving or having fun.
> It’s just stressing me out.

Something else may be going on…

Possibilities: Your network connection may have changed, from where you once had the advantage. Eyesight or other health changes? Need a new controller?

It’s also possible that the skill composition of your opponents has changed. I’ve thought that those who came onboard early in H3 MM saw opponents who were likely no better than they were and many others not so much. Getting a positive k/d in the early days was probably far easier because of the huge population and diverse skill level of those playing. It took everyone a while to learn strafing, map layout, weapon spawns and map control - everyone was learning the same things at the same time.

Now, while there are the occasional noob(s), the demographics appear to me to have shifted toward the higher skilled players who have stuck with the game and now have 5+ years of MM experience. I also think there are “old hands” who began a new account along with the re-release of H3 as free to gold, and even though they appear as low rank, they are actually very good.

Just thinking out loud…

Plenty of people have good suggestions here. Looking at gameplay could help pinpoint what you may be doing wrong. I can help with that if you want, if no one else has. I’m a terrible shot right now too, lol…But I know about map control and having a strategy when going into a game :smiley:

It’s a psychological issue more than anything. I played poorly at first, but I let the deaths I got make me cold and calculating instead of melancholia, as is usual with beginner players. Don’t let it get you down, let it fuel you with rage, but calculated rage, as to shoot and hit.

> I also think there are “old hands” who began a new account along with the re-release of H3 as free to gold, and even though they appear as low rank, they are actually very good.
>
> Just thinking out loud…

Definitely this.

Although i cannot see any reason for it whatsoever as Bungie stopped keeping a record of H3 stats last year so none of the match data K/D etc is being kept anywhere.