> Yeah, because the easiest weapon to use should be the most powerful.
> /logic
Since when is this thread about the easiest weapon being the most powerful?
Br vs DMR ive yet to see someone use the br right. Wait untell nov6th then tell us what u think.
Given the circumstances, The BR users of old will still be using it, so I don’t see it dying out. As a matter, I think DMR users this time around better watch out and I’m more of a single bolt action rifle kind of guy, not multi-fire.
The BR is not going to be underused, but honestly, this kind of display actually boils down to preference. The BR was never good over long distance, which is why I’ll be using the DMR when I don’t have a sniper, but the BR, when I got to use it, was just so familiar and powerful that most of the DMR users I faced didn’t know how to counter appropriately with it.
That’ll change on launch, but I did find a scare factor when I was playing with others and after a match one guy said, “Yeah, I saw the BR and it did throw me off a little cause I figured you were good at H3.”
Can’t say I expected that at all (cause I wasn’t good at H3, only decent).
> Lul, everyone I play with never always get in the insta 5 shot in the DMR in Halo: Reach. People miss sometimes. With the BR having alot more Aim Assist and bullet mag, it wields alot better in CQC. Sure users will use DMR it they want to have a quicker 5 shot kill by .1 seconds, but they will get destroyed in CQC, if the DMR guys missed at least one shot, and if the BR guys is shoots first.
Well, that’s usually because of Bloom. In ZB Slayer, the DMR drops players like nothing.
> Given the circumstances, The BR users of old will still be using it, so I don’t see it dying out. As a matter, I think DMR users this time around better watch out and I’m more of a single bolt action rifle kind of guy, not multi-fire.
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> The BR is not going to be underused, but honestly, this kind of display actually boils down to preference. The BR was never good over long distance, which is why I’ll be using the DMR when I don’t have a sniper, but the BR, when I got to use it, was just so familiar and powerful that most of the DMR users I faced didn’t know how to counter appropriately with it.
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> That’ll change on launch, but I did find a scare factor when I was playing with others and after a match one guy said, “Yeah, I saw the BR and it did throw me off a little cause I figured you were good at H3.”
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> Can’t say I expected that at all (cause I wasn’t good at H3, only decent).
Your humbleness irritates me.
You’re good at Halo 4, you scare people off, AND you deny godliness?
You’re like the Jack of Trades with a stronger jaw-line* (I’d assume). A man of such perfection shouldn’t be allowed in this universe.
With the br having tighter spread this time around and being hitscan, landing shots shouldn’t be much of a problem.
Also, not every dmr user lands all five shots perfectpy or mainly the last shot.
> Your humbleness irritates me.
LOL. Of all things in the world, my humbleness irritates you… excuse for a second…
ahhh, thanks dude. I haven’t laughed that hard in ages…
> You’re good at Halo 4, you scare people off, AND you deny godliness?
Yes. I do. Because I’m not godly. Just another player that enjoys winning, and so did my teammates, we were actually joking around as we played that match.
Me: “Dude, stop tea-bagging his corpse…”
“I’m into necro.”
Me: surprised “My bad dude, carry on then…”
“Oh yeah dude, it gets me all hot, seeing a corpse just laying there…”
Me: smiles “hey, if that excites you, more power to ya. Me? I’m just establishing my dominance.”
he laughs
Oh yeah, that was a funny match…
> You’re like the Jack of Trades with a stronger jaw-line* (I’d assume). A man of such perfection shouldn’t be allowed in this universe.
Jack of All Trades definitely, but how did you know I work out on a daily basis? Stalker. Reported. /sarcasm
All I can ask for is that-
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BR and AR stay COMPLETELY equal (at close/medium range).
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Make All the “starter” or spawn weapons balanced and best for their specific roles (aka range).
> BR Kill Time: 1.869 seconds
> DMR Kill Time: 1.735 seconds
Not sure where you got the kill times from but I am certain they can’t be correct. If the DMR has an 11 frame fire rate the kill time will be 1.467 seconds just like it has been in all the pre release gameplay. If it has a 12 frame fire rate like in Reach it will kill in 1.6 seconds. 13 frame ROF = 1.733s. 14 frame ROF = 1.867s.
Kill time = (SK-1)*ROF
Same formula works for the BR since it kills in 13 bullets. Pre release the BR had a 1.733 sec kill time and even if you miss 2 bullets and require 15 bullets to kill the kill time would still only be 1.8s.
Pre Release the kill time difference was 0.267 seconds which is a lot when describing events that take place in less than 2 seconds.
> > BR Kill Time: 1.869 seconds
> > DMR Kill Time: 1.735 seconds
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> Not sure where you got the kill times from but I am certain they can’t be correct. If the DMR has an 11 frame fire rate the kill time will be 1.467 seconds just like it has been in all the pre release gameplay. If it has a 12 frame fire rate like in Reach it will kill in 1.6 seconds. 13 frame ROF = 1.733s. 14 frame ROF = 1.867s.
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> Kill time = (SK-1)*ROF
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> Same formula works for the BR since it kills in 13 bullets. Pre release the BR had a 1.733 sec kill time and even if you miss 2 bullets and require 15 bullets to kill the kill time would still only be 1.8s.
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> Pre Release the kill time difference was 0.267 seconds which is a lot when describing events that take place in less than 2 seconds.
I believe those were the old figures from earlier builds
Weapon is only as good as it’s user. Most of the veterans will be using Battle Rifle just for the nostalgia, and skilled player will beat less skilled one, no matter which precision weapons they use.
> > > BR Kill Time: 1.869 seconds
> > > DMR Kill Time: 1.735 seconds
> >
> > Not sure where you got the kill times from but I am certain they can’t be correct. If the DMR has an 11 frame fire rate the kill time will be 1.467 seconds just like it has been in all the pre release gameplay. If it has a 12 frame fire rate like in Reach it will kill in 1.6 seconds. 13 frame ROF = 1.733s. 14 frame ROF = 1.867s.
> >
> > Kill time = (SK-1)*ROF
> >
> > Same formula works for the BR since it kills in 13 bullets. Pre release the BR had a 1.733 sec kill time and even if you miss 2 bullets and require 15 bullets to kill the kill time would still only be 1.8s.
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> > Pre Release the kill time difference was 0.267 seconds which is a lot when describing events that take place in less than 2 seconds.
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> I believe those were the old figures from earlier builds
Did you read my post? The Point is the kill times cannot be accurate because they are not multiples of 1/30th of a second. Also If the DMR Fire Rate has been nerfed to 13 frames and that is the only change the DMR and the BR would have the exact same kill time.
I’ll never use the 5sk BR voluntarily in Halo 4. Except in SWAT for obvious reasons.
The 5sk BR is a turd of a weapon. Why use it when the DMR destroys at mid-long range, the Light Rifle zoomed in becomes a 4sk (add Stability to that for ultimate destroying), and the AR/Storm Rifle destroy at close range?
Sorry, but Light Rifle with Stability and (with Firepower) Storm Rifle FTW!! Throw the 5sk BR in the trash or flush it down the toilet and leave it in the sewers for all I care. The only sad part about it is the art. It looks so good, but is terribly wasted.
There’s only two reasons that I can see why the BR is back:
- Nostalgia
- SWAT
Other than those two, there’s no reason at all for the weapon to be back if it’s a 5sk.
Firstly people need to know that the DMR and BR have been changed. They are no longer the all around utility weapons of past games. Secondly its all about preference. It always will be. Higher skilled players will get the most benifit from the DMR. But that doesn’t mean its the best weapon. It doesn’t mean it will make other weapons underused. And the better skilled player will still win over the other player regardless of the weapon. That is what 343 was going for and from my play experiences and my friends that holds true.
> Firstly people need to know that the DMR and BR have been changed. They are no longer the all around utility weapons of past games. Secondly its all about preference. It always will be. Higher skilled players will get the most benifit from the DMR. But that doesn’t mean its the best weapon. It doesn’t mean it will make other weapons underused. And the better skilled player will still win over the other player regardless of the weapon. That is what 343 was going for and from my play experiences and my friends that holds true.
Behold! A person with common sense!
I might add that there are a lot of factors for people, why they choose their starting weapon: Some pick BR or Carbine for Nostalgia, Some pick Storm/Light Rifle/Suppressor because they’re something new, Some use Assault Rifle because it’s now a death machine at short distances and they like to keep their gameplay up,close and personal, some pick DMR simply because statistic wise, it’s the best.
And then there are people who blindly follow pro players, and pick the DMR and same perks, simply because they do. A lot of people buy their headset because some pro player uses the same set, assuming it’s the secret why they are so good at the game.
I find it funny how most of people commenting this thread saying “This and that is superior and this and that is useless, haven’t even played the game” A lot of people have said automatic weapons will be useless, just because this has been the case in earlier games. Play the game first, give it time and then make your decisions.
> > Firstly people need to know that the DMR and BR have been changed. They are no longer the all around utility weapons of past games. Secondly its all about preference. It always will be. Higher skilled players will get the most benifit from the DMR. But that doesn’t mean its the best weapon. It doesn’t mean it will make other weapons underused. And the better skilled player will still win over the other player regardless of the weapon. That is what 343 was going for and from my play experiences and my friends that holds true.
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> Behold! A person with common sense!
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>
> I might add that there are a lot of factors for people, why they choose their starting weapon: Some pick BR or Carbine for Nostalgia, Some pick Storm/Light Rifle/Suppressor because they’re something new, Some use Assault Rifle because it’s now a death machine at short distances and they like to keep their gameplay up,close and personal, some pick DMR simply because statistic wise, it’s the best.
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> And then there are people who blindly follow pro players, and pick the DMR and same perks, simply because they do. A lot of people buy their headset because some pro player uses the same set, assuming it’s the secret why they are so good at the game.
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> I find it funny how most of people commenting this thread saying “This and that is superior and this and that is useless, haven’t even played the game” A lot of people have said automatic weapons will be useless, just because this has been the case in earlier games. Play the game first, give it time and then make your decisions.
I really enjoy every aspect of the custom classes. I like being able to play the way i want to. One of the reasons why i enjoyed COD back in the day was because the variety of ways i can play and still have it fair for others. (now i play battlefield for the same reasons) It is possible to gather a lot of information from Just watching videos. But in some cases like this one playing adds an element you need to make an accurate judgment. From many games including halo people should know by know that just because it looks good on paper (ala DMR being statistically the best) doesn’t mean it will play out that way.
In reality people miss at least one shot. Happens in reach all the time, ive never had a game where everyone hit every shot they fired, have you ?.
I think they are fine from all the vids i have seen. Cant wait to get my hands on that carbine :).
> > > Firstly people need to know that the DMR and BR have been changed. They are no longer the all around utility weapons of past games. Secondly its all about preference. It always will be. Higher skilled players will get the most benifit from the DMR. But that doesn’t mean its the best weapon. It doesn’t mean it will make other weapons underused. And the better skilled player will still win over the other player regardless of the weapon. That is what 343 was going for and from my play experiences and my friends that holds true.
> >
> > Behold! A person with common sense!
> >
> >
> > I might add that there are a lot of factors for people, why they choose their starting weapon: Some pick BR or Carbine for Nostalgia, Some pick Storm/Light Rifle/Suppressor because they’re something new, Some use Assault Rifle because it’s now a death machine at short distances and they like to keep their gameplay up,close and personal, some pick DMR simply because statistic wise, it’s the best.
> >
> > And then there are people who blindly follow pro players, and pick the DMR and same perks, simply because they do. A lot of people buy their headset because some pro player uses the same set, assuming it’s the secret why they are so good at the game.
> >
> > I find it funny how most of people commenting this thread saying “This and that is superior and this and that is useless, haven’t even played the game” A lot of people have said automatic weapons will be useless, just because this has been the case in earlier games. Play the game first, give it time and then make your decisions.
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> I really enjoy every aspect of the custom classes. I like being able to play the way i want to. One of the reasons why i enjoyed COD back in the day was because the variety of ways i can play and still have it fair for others. (now i play battlefield for the same reasons) It is possible to gather a lot of information from Just watching videos. But in some cases like this one playing adds an element you need to make an accurate judgment. From many games including halo people should know by know that just because it looks good on paper (ala DMR being statistically the best) doesn’t mean it will play out that way.
You’ve played BF3, so you probably can agree that even though M16A3 was statistically the best rifle, it doesn’t ensure total domination. People often seem to think that gun stats play a huge factor in FPS games, forgetting that a gun is as good as it’s user…
How may bullets do you have to miss with the BR for it not to be 5sk?
If its just 1 or 2 then I don’t see why they just make it 4sk where if one of your bullets miss its 5sk. Lets be honest, how many people actually 4sk with the BR fairly regularly? It seems like it would be better balanced that way. Then the BR will beat the DMR in short range, they’ll be fairly even mid range, and the DMR will beat the BR long range.
More aim assist with the BR doesn’t make sense because if there are two people close to each other your aim is going to get screwed up making the DMR better. They should have the same amount.
The BR seems like it should be the more difficult to use since it is a burst (you need to land each bullet).
I’ve played H4 a number of times and as I’ve stated in other threads I have deliberately tested the outcomes; the DMR beats the BR in most vs. scenarios including almost all distances (at close quarters you may as well just go in for the melee). I too was very disappointed by my findings since I was very much looking forward to the BR’s return.
All you armchair theorists claiming to know how the BR will be better are going to be eating your words come next week.
Peace.