Here’s a long held idea I just shared in another thread-
I know this may seem pretty out there, but I keep thinking it lately…
ONI has no morality at all, as we know, even though they claim to by scapegoating Catherine Halsey for the ethics of the Spartan 2 program.
What is to say they haven’t taken the gene markers Halsey mapped from her program and actually perfected test tube babies who would have been bred to be perfect war machines?
Spartan 5s?!
Dolly the Sheep was possible in our modern era…
I’m no Gene Scientist so I wouldn’t know.
But is this even hypothetically possible, and even applicable to the Halo universe?
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> Here’s a long held idea I just shared in another thread-
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> I know this may seem pretty out there, but I keep thinking it lately…
> ONI has no morality at all, as we know, even though they claim to by scapegoating Catherine Halsey for the ethics of the Spartan 2 program.
> What is to say they haven’t taken the gene markers Halsey mapped from her program and actually perfected test tube babies who would have been bred to be perfect war machines?
> Spartan 5s?!
> Dolly the Sheep was possible in our modern era…
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> I’m no Gene Scientist so I wouldn’t know.
> But is this even hypothetically possible, and even implacable to the Halo universe?
It isn’t possible. Cloning an entire organism leads to catastrophic results, hence most of the Spartan-IIs’ flash clones dying within months.
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> > Here’s a long held idea I just shared in another thread-
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> > I know this may seem pretty out there, but I keep thinking it lately…
> > ONI has no morality at all, as we know, even though they claim to by scapegoating Catherine Halsey for the ethics of the Spartan 2 program.
> > What is to say they haven’t taken the gene markers Halsey mapped from her program and actually perfected test tube babies who would have been bred to be perfect war machines?
> > Spartan 5s?!
> > Dolly the Sheep was possible in our modern era…
> >
> > I’m no Gene Scientist so I wouldn’t know.
> > But is this even hypothetically possible, and even implacable to the Halo universe?
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> It isn’t possible. Cloning an entire organism leads to catastrophic results, hence most of the Spartan-IIs’ flash clones dying within months.
Yes. Yet, augmenting adults wasn’t possible when you go back to that time frame in the Halo universe , hence the Spartan 2’s being taken as children.
Methods evolve over time…
If ONI had the ability to clone perfect adults who would also be the perfect soldiers then there would be no need for the Spartan-IVs. It isn’t possible.
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> If ONI had the ability to clone perfect adults who would also be the perfect soldiers then there would be no need for the Spartan-IVs. It isn’t possible.
Perhaps not then.
My only counter would be that it simply isn’t as cost effective as producing more Spartan 4’s…Yet they’d still do so as they would be in a different class entirely, and it would be good for research/ progression?!
The 3’s were actualised as they were so cost effective compared to the 2’s. History repeating?
I said it was out there!
Maybe a theory about ONI building their own army with individuals composed into machines would make more sense. But it doesn’t rely on anything substantial.
Unless you take into account the fact that each Spartan generation is more mass-produced than the preceding one. If S-IVs are what they are today… Then S-Vs would be mass-produced robot supersoldiers. Not sure if I’d want that to happen, though.
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> > If ONI had the ability to clone perfect adults who would also be the perfect soldiers then there would be no need for the Spartan-IVs. It isn’t possible.
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> Perhaps not then.
> My only counter would be that it simply isn’t as cost effective as producing more Spartan 4’s…Yet they’d still do so as they would be in a different class entirely, and it would be good for research/ progression?!
> The 3’s were actualised as they were so cost effective compared to the 2’s. History repeating?
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> I said it was out there!
The S-IIIs were cheap and made cheap right from the get-go. All ONI had to do was scoop up orphans, eliminating the cost of flash-cloning, augment them with improved and likely cheaper procedures and slap them with armor likely no more expensive than an ODSTs kit. What you’re suggesting is an army of fully-grown clones who are somehow combat-ready outfitted with costly MJOLNIR. There is no factor of cost-effectiveness there.
Think you guys are jumping the gun. IVF designer babies would be a more logical step. The moral and ethical implication of creating a child literally made for war is something I could see section 3 doing!
In the 21st centruy genetically engineered children are a real thing. Come 26th I would expect a higher level of gene selection.
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> > Here’s a long held idea I just shared in another thread-
> >
> > I know this may seem pretty out there, but I keep thinking it lately…
> > ONI has no morality at all, as we know, even though they claim to by scapegoating Catherine Halsey for the ethics of the Spartan 2 program.
> > What is to say they haven’t taken the gene markers Halsey mapped from her program and actually perfected test tube babies who would have been bred to be perfect war machines?
> > Spartan 5s?!
> > Dolly the Sheep was possible in our modern era…
> >
> > I’m no Gene Scientist so I wouldn’t know.
> > But is this even hypothetically possible, and even implacable to the Halo universe?
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> It isn’t possible. Cloning an entire organism leads to catastrophic results, hence most of the Spartan-IIs’ flash clones dying within months.
That’s actually not quite true or a misconception on your part, it’s flash cloning (IE, growing the whole entire thing in mere minutes/hours) that leads to catastrophic failures throughout the body and developing terminal illnesses and the like. As someone else in the thread pointed out when they mentioned Dolly the sheep, we already have the ability to clone a whole organism today, humanity wouldn’t completely lose the ability to create clones or regress in the technology’s effectiveness in 500+ years. Especially not when they have the ability to clone organs and the like within a very short amount of time. ONI (or anyone else) wouldn’t have any trouble at all creating a “normal” clone considering that’s something we have the capability of doing today.
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> If ONI had the ability to clone perfect adults who would also be the perfect soldiers then there would be no need for the Spartan-IVs. It isn’t possible.
They do have the ability, the only problem with creating clones the normal way is that you have to wait for them to grow up, which makes it much less feasible to use and not really worth their while. That’s the whole entire reason why they haven’t used clones at all, not because they don’t have the capability to create them, but because (as far as we fans know currently) the only way to actually have a clone that would survive for any significant length of time and not have all kinds of defects is to have them grow at a normal pace. It’s really only the process of flash cloning that’s impossible to have “perfect” adults, ONI or anyone else interested in cloning would be able to get perfectly normal adults just by standard cloning…though it’s not a very efficient way of creating soldiers or workers because you have to wait for them to grow up.
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> Think you guys are jumping the gun. IVF designer babies would be a more logical step. The moral and ethical implication of creating a child literally made for war is something I could see section 3 doing!
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> In the 21st centruy genetically engineered children are a real thing. Come 26th I would expect a higher level of gene selection.
Test-tube babies and battle-ready clones jump-started to adulthood when the technology in Halo shows that simply flash cloning a child is prone to failure are two different things.