In Reach, Bungie made elites taller than Spartans, and gave them regenerative over time health. This needs to change. I miss not being able to play as an elite for every game type like H3. So here is what I am proposing.
Make elites the same height as spartans. That way they won’t have a height advantage like in Reach.
Take out the feature where elites regenerate health over time. This will make the elites equal in health to spartans. Regenerative health for elites wasn’t in H3, so why should it be in CEA?
These changes need to be made to halo CEA so that the elites are equal to spartans and can be available in every playlist. Please, 343i, just do it so people can plays as elites again. One playlist for elites like invasion is just not enough.
> > Not possible.
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> It might be if 343 can work on it. I just don’t want elites in one gametype or playlist, I want them avilable for all gametypes and playlists.
The most they can do is disable health regen and make their shield strength and movement speed equal to spartans. I seriously doubt they can change the shape or size of either them or their hitboxes…sorry
> > > Not possible.
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> > It might be if 343 can work on it. I just don’t want elites in one gametype or playlist, I want them avilable for all gametypes and playlists.
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> The most they can do is disable health regen and make their shield strength and movement speed equal to spartans. I seriously doubt they can change the shape or size of either them or their hitboxes…sorry
Maybe not the hitboxes, but as much as they can do to make them equal to the spartans. I want them to be playable in every playlist and gametype.
> In Reach, Bungie made elites taller than Spartans, and gave them regenerative over time health. This needs to change. I miss not being able to play as an elite for every game type like H3. So here is what I am proposing.
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> 1. Make elites the same height as spartans. That way they won’t have a height advantage like in Reach.
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> 2. Take out the feature where elites regenerate health over time. This will make the elites equal in health to spartans. Regenerative health for elites wasn’t in H3, so why should it be in CEA?
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> These changes need to be made to halo CEA so that the elites are equal to spartans and can be available in every playlist. Please, 343i, just do it so people can plays as elites again. One playlist for elites like invasion is just not enough.
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> Sincerely, Spartan70
u obviously forget that elites r far more superior to tha spartans over all in tha haloverse any way so it should stay tha same
343 would be listening to the community by leaving out Elites. In Halo 3, Elites were considered overpowered and cheap because of their odd shape compared to Spartans. I’m not going into why it was or wasn’t a good idea to remove them from multiplayer. All that stands to reason is the fact that the community does not want them. To implement Elites again in Halo 4 would be double-backing on a community demands simply because some are upset about the change. This issue is no different then the bleed-through punch issue. They would not change something that people clamored for simply because a smaller segment of the population is offset by that new feature.
> > In Reach, Bungie made elites taller than Spartans, and gave them regenerative over time health. This needs to change. I miss not being able to play as an elite for every game type like H3. So here is what I am proposing.
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> > 1. Make elites the same height as spartans. That way they won’t have a height advantage like in Reach.
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> > 2. Take out the feature where elites regenerate health over time. This will make the elites equal in health to spartans. Regenerative health for elites wasn’t in H3, so why should it be in CEA?
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> > These changes need to be made to halo CEA so that the elites are equal to spartans and can be available in every playlist. Please, 343i, just do it so people can plays as elites again. One playlist for elites like invasion is just not enough.
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> > Sincerely, Spartan70
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> u obviously forget that elites r far more superior to tha spartans over all in tha haloverse any way so it should stay tha same
It needs to be changed so that the elites don’t have one little playlist. And don’t underestimate the spartans. The elites aren’t as superior as one might think.
It’s just far too inconsistent no matter how they do it. Either the hitboxes between Spartans and Elites are different, giving one an advantage; or the hitboxes don’t match the geometry correctly, leading players to miss shots that appear to hit. The way it was done in Reach is the best case scenario IMO.
> > > In Reach, Bungie made elites taller than Spartans, and gave them regenerative over time health. This needs to change. I miss not being able to play as an elite for every game type like H3. So here is what I am proposing.
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> > > 1. Make elites the same height as spartans. That way they won’t have a height advantage like in Reach.
> > >
> > > 2. Take out the feature where elites regenerate health over time. This will make the elites equal in health to spartans. Regenerative health for elites wasn’t in H3, so why should it be in CEA?
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> > > These changes need to be made to halo CEA so that the elites are equal to spartans and can be available in every playlist. Please, 343i, just do it so people can plays as elites again. One playlist for elites like invasion is just not enough.
> > >
> > > Sincerely, Spartan70
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> > u obviously forget that elites r far more superior to tha spartans over all in tha haloverse any way so it should stay tha same
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> It needs to be changed so that the elites don’t have one little playlist. And don’t underestimate the spartans. The elites aren’t as superior as one might think.
He’s right. There were many more Elites, but that never stopped the Cheif.
> > > > Not possible.
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> > > It might be if 343 can work on it. I just don’t want elites in one gametype or playlist, I want them avilable for all gametypes and playlists.
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> > The most they can do is disable health regen and make their shield strength and movement speed equal to spartans. I seriously doubt they can change the shape or size of either them or their hitboxes…sorry
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> Maybe not the hitboxes, but as much as they can do to make them equal to the spartans. I want them to be playable in every playlist and gametype.
Changes to the hitboxes of the Elites would surely end in disaster. What the end result would be is a character model with a hitbox that is not at all similar to the actual model. This caused problems in Halo 3 because Bungie tried making the multiplayer hitboxes as similar as possible. This resulted in two main points on the Elite anatomy (neck and the top of the hump on their back) that projectiles could go through, points that existed only as a visual illusion.
> > > > > Not possible.
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> > > > It might be if 343 can work on it. I just don’t want elites in one gametype or playlist, I want them avilable for all gametypes and playlists.
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> > > The most they can do is disable health regen and make their shield strength and movement speed equal to spartans. I seriously doubt they can change the shape or size of either them or their hitboxes…sorry
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> > Maybe not the hitboxes, but as much as they can do to make them equal to the spartans. I want them to be playable in every playlist and gametype.
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> Changes to the hitboxes of the Elites would surely end in disaster. What the end result would be is a character model with a hitbox that is not at all similar to the actual model. This caused problems in Halo 3 because Bungie tried making the multiplayer hitboxes as similar as possible. This resulted in two main points on the Elite anatomy (neck and the top of the hump on their back) that projectiles could go through, points that existed only as a visual illusion.
Huh. Didn’t know that. Really what i’m asking is not a big thing to change. If 343i can pull of re-making the greatest shooter of 2001, then I’m sure that they can do this too.
A seldom-known fact is that multiplayer games as a whole are visual 3-D simulations and/or military exercises. That is a direct explanation as provided by the Reach main menu. Thus, and ironically, this piece of canon allows multiplayer to be independent of any other Halo canon. Elites fighting Forerunners while holding Grenade Launchers? It’s canonically acceptable.
But a crucial point is that gameplay, in all aspects, should take the front seat to canon’s backseat role.
Elites had much more mass, and were easier to shoot. Saying that they were taken out because they were overpowered compared to Spartans sounds pretty foolish to me.
In most of the issues that present themselves on these forums, there isn’t a direct way to gauge who lives what. Because there are only one thousand out of the whole hundred thousand that play Reach on these forums. And one cannot easily tell how those who do not post here feel about these issues. This issue is unique, however, because it involves something that Bungie did as a direct result of complaints, and it was also executed in the exact manner the complainers requested.
In the days of Halo 3, the forums were a bit more active than they are now, which would translate to less people. The proportions, if anyone wants to even bother with exact figures, would still show something. That leads into my point. On the Halo 3 forum, many people complained about the fact that Elites were different from Spartans. They said things like “Make it so that it’s Spartans only”. Bungie did, with Reach. Now on these forums, you’re lucky to find a “Lemme play as an Elite” thread. If 343 addressed this complaint by allowing different species in Halo 4, it would make no sense. By these vague, but telling statistics, the conclusion is drawn that more of the people who actually give a damn about the issue would prefer that it stays Spartan-only.
> In Reach, Bungie made elites taller than Spartans, and gave them regenerative over time health. This needs to change. I miss not being able to play as an elite for every game type like H3. So here is what I am proposing.
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> 1. Make elites the same height as spartans. That way they won’t have a height advantage like in Reach.
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> In Reach, Bungie made elites taller than Spartans, and gave them regenerative over time health. This needs to change. I miss not being able to play as an elite for every game type like H3. So here is what I am proposing.
>
> 1. Make elites the same height as spartans. That way they won’t have a height advantage like in Reach.
>
> 2. Take out the feature where elites regenerate health over time. This will make the elites equal in health to spartans. Regenerative health for elites wasn’t in H3, so why should it be in CEA?
>
> These changes need to be made to halo CEA so that the elites are equal to spartans and can be available in every playlist. Please, 343i, just do it so people can plays as elites again. One playlist for elites like invasion is just not enough.
>
> Sincerely, Spartan70
Sorry, but I think this would make them more of a disadvantage. And uglier and more awkard looking to boot. And the assasinations would be off. Would just end up as a easier to hit spartan with off hitboxes, just like H2 and H3.
They’ve always been bigger than Spartans, so they’re always easy to hit, but at least this was finally embraced in Reach with their own personal differences. More health, more shields, faster shield regenerating, higher jump and speed at the tradeoff of size, which has always been a problem anyway.
Sure some of this got diminished going from beta to retail (spartans got quicker, elite shields regen a tad slower), but it still balances out and at least it’s still better than being just a fatter, easier to hit spartan.
They should just make some social playlists like BTB and Squad slayer be open to species preference for those that prefer, while leaving out more competitive stuff such as Snipers and Swat, bypassing that whole problem from H3.
Simply shrinking the elite is not possible, change an elites hitbox, possible but will never happen, Elite are fine as they are now, if you want Elites, Invasion is there, they won’t change something so pointless that won’t be used.
The Elites are bigger than Spartans because the Spartans you play as are Spartan IIIs. Some of them are 12-15 years old. The Spartan IIs are in the 30s. If you noticed, Jorge is taller than Noble 6, thats because Jorge is a Spartan II.
