I remember being on the bnet forums having this very similar thing happen. Tons of players comaining about how game breaking the new additions are then having the other side say trust BUNGIE or you haven’t played it or a variation of reasons why these thing will work. In the end the hype build up calmed the haters and it seemed like everything was going well and that even the hardcore crowd had accepted the changes… Then Reach fell ironically
I’m scared halo 4 will be another reach regardless of what the community says because is currently a parallel of what happened last time. Thoughts?
I think the thing that will set this apart from Reach is that 343 come across as more willing to patch game mechanics. If things really are as bad as they were in Reach i’m pretty confident we’ll start getting fixes down the line.
That and 343 seem to have picked out the problems with Reach and attempted to remedy them. That’s not to say 343 can’t create problems of their own however.
Random weapon spawns will be to H4 what bloom on the DMR was to Reach, though. I’m almost certain of it.
The difference here is that people felt there were issues during the Halo Reach BETA. Issues on Armor Abilities, Bloom, etc. were brought up. Thus far, after all the people who have attended the early play events, we haven’t really had any major concerns.
Watching some of the gameplay I was thrilled to see cool new maps that reminded me of Halo 3’s style. Cool weapons and vehicles and a promising change to Halo. THe mechanics all appear balanced and I think that as of now - this can be like halo 3 or better. But when I was watching the Dominion gameplay on longbow it screamed Halo: Reach. Although, when I was watching the gameplay on Solace it seemed so fresh and fun yet it still looked like Halo. # IDK what to think but I have high hopes.
I agree with you 100 percent… but there are countless fan boys of 343i who will defend 343 to the death. I dont know why 343i hasnt done shown us anything to earn our trust IMO. But hopefully they wont fail…
The thing is, 343 has to have known that people would complain that they are moving forward past Reach rather than go back to Halo 3-ish gameplay. TBH I really don’t think that 343 would keep AAs and stuff like that that pissed off the fanbase unless they really know how to implement them into the game the right way and balance them this time around. So no, I don’t think this game will turn out like Reach. Spartan Ops looks like a great idea, the MP already looks better than Reach’s, the maps aren’t just ripped from the campaign and look really fun to play on and are just outright beautiful, and the campagin looks like it will have a good story. I trust that 343 knows what they’re are doing.
> I agree with you 100 percent… but there are countless fan boys of 343i who will defend 343 to the death. <mark>I dont know why 343i hasnt done shown us anything to earn our trust IMO.</mark> But hopefully they wont fail…
Ever think that maybe people have different opinions on what constitutes “343i showing things to earn their trust”? While it is your opinion they have not shown anything to sway us, others disagree. It doesn’t make them fanboys, it just means they are satisfied. Name calling doesn’t help your position by the way.
I won’t be swayed one way or the other until I play the game.
> > I agree with you 100 percent… but there are countless fan boys of 343i who will defend 343 to the death. <mark>I dont know why 343i hasnt done shown us anything to earn our trust IMO.</mark> But hopefully they wont fail…
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> Ever think that maybe people have different opinions on what constitutes “343i showing things to earn their trust”? While it is your opinion they have not shown anything to sway us, others disagree. It doesn’t make them fanboys, it just means they are satisfied. Name calling doesn’t help your position by the way.
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> I won’t be swayed one way or the other until I play the game.
I know thats why I said IMO its mine not others, and by the fan boys I mean who defend everything 343 does.
I personally think that it will be fun this time around. Reach was still better than most games on the market (cod). Now that bloom is very minor the only problem I can think of is random weapon spawns and ordnance drops but those can be forged out without a TU
From what I’ve seen I firmly believe Halo 4 will be better than 3 or Reach. Plus I’ve yet to hear consistent and logical complaints from people that have played it or from the media.
> From what I’ve seen I firmly believe Halo 4 will be better than 3 or Reach. Plus I’ve yet to hear consistent and logical complaints from people that have played it or from the media.
It HAS to be good. Or halo will fall and no one will buy the next game. I know I wont
> I agree with you 100 percent… but there are countless fan boys of 343i who will defend 343 to the death. I dont know why 343i hasnt done shown us anything to earn our trust IMO. But hopefully they wont fail…
In one of the recent events, Frankie was asked what 343i has to say about the new stuff to those who are skeptical.
Frankie responed that they should ask those that played the game.
343i has done a lot to earn our trust. Countless gameplay videos, showcasing the game at many events, giving out detailed bulletins, interviews etc. Its up to us to take that trust. And thats where 343i’s effect ends. Thats when personal opinions come into play, thars where you stop relying on 343i and focus on those who have actually played the game.
A majority of the feedback has been positive. Many people, even skeptical ones, have said it plays, feels, and sounds great. Gameplay is crisp and feels balanced. It feels like a Halo game.
I trust those people. 343i can do all they want to say the game feels like Halo. I do trust them, but its the fanbase where the true opinions and decisions lie.
I defend 343i because, to me, they have proved themselves enough.
> > > I agree with you 100 percent… but there are countless fan boys of 343i who will defend 343 to the death. <mark>I dont know why 343i hasnt done shown us anything to earn our trust IMO.</mark> But hopefully they wont fail…
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> > Ever think that maybe people have different opinions on what constitutes “343i showing things to earn their trust”? While it is your opinion they have not shown anything to sway us, others disagree. It doesn’t make them fanboys, it just means they are satisfied. Name calling doesn’t help your position by the way.
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> > I won’t be swayed one way or the other until I play the game.
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> I know thats why I said IMO its mine not others, and by the fan boys I mean who defend everything 343 does.
So it’s your personal opinion, yet you speak for everyone else with “us”. Sure…
I’m not worried at all, and believe that Halo 4 will be a spectacular game. I really hope Halo goes in the right direction though, 343 seems to be turning it into too much of a game to fit the modern gamer like CoD.
I won’t be getting the next Xbox console, so I will not own Halo 5. Halo: Reach and Halo: CEA are the only Halo games I actually own. I really hope Halo 4 is good, because this will be the last Halo game that is not a side-project that I will play and own.
Plus let’s look at this from the development side:
When Bungie split from Microsoft, Microsoft contracted them for 2 more Halo games as part of their studio’s buyback deal. Halo 1, 2, and 3 were huge sellers and Bungie had a solid reputation for quality. So when it came time to make Halo: Reach, they did so because, well, they had to, and they did so with the knowledge that it would sell because Bungie was an established name in the business.
343i on the other hand, has little to no reputation as of yet in the business, and we don’t really know what they are capable of. So everyone at 343 has likely been putting everything they have into this game because they know all eyes are on them, and they need to make a name for themselves in order for future games to sell. So they have a huge incentive to put out a great product, whereas Bungie didn’t have as much on the line.
I mean, Halo 4 may suck completely, but the fact that 343i NEEDS Halo 4 to succeed gives me confidence in the game’s quality.