And I’m sure 343i will revert back to classic Halo for this game, what do you think?
If by classic you mean H3 gameplay with updated graphics in MP then no, they won’t. Personally, I don’t believe they should.
If by classic you mean no sprint and equal starts (or at least balanced starts with some loadout choice) in at least one slayer playlist then yes I believe they will.
Halo needs buzz. To get buzz they they need to think outside the box and wow everybody due to all the competition from other FPS’s. Easier said than done, I know.
My big solution is use the thruster pack as a core feature of the new Halo. It’s beast and it’s unique (I think) and it has so much potential to build upon.
Plus we need all the forge, customs, file browsers, clan support, to be best ever. And an Epic campaign.
TBH though, with the time constraints they have and all the other projects they have on the go, I am a little dubious that they can go the whole hog on the core game. But I will cross my fingers and hope.
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Well if they honestly know what is best for them they would. Let us hope that they make the smart decision and make Halo like it once was.
> If by classic you mean H3 gameplay with updated graphics in MP then no, they won’t. Personally, I don’t believe they should.
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> If by classic you mean no sprint and equal starts (or at least balanced starts with some loadout choice) in at least one slayer playlist then yes I believe they will.
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> Halo needs buzz. To get buzz they they need to think outside the box and wow everybody due to all the competition from other FPS’s. Easier said than done, I know.
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> My big solution is use the thruster pack as a core feature of the new Halo. It’s beast and it’s unique (I think) and it has so much potential to build upon.
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> Plus we need all the forge, customs, file browsers, clan support, to be best ever. And an Epic campaign.
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> TBH though, with the time constraints they have and all the other projects they have on the go, I am a little dubious that they can go the whole hog on the core game. But I will cross my fingers and hope.
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> DecepticonCobra: :-D. superb!
I want it classic, with innovations, kinda like Halo 3 vs 2, but I don’t want it exactly the same.
They heard the criticisms, surely. And it sunk home… have no doubt about that. And you can’t judge them by what they did after release… they’re just playing out a cruddy hand by that point.
But will it be classic? Maybe, as in both “yes” and “no.” Some classic elements will return, but we won’t be rid of some newer things. I think the classic things making a comeback will be (broadly speaking) arena style play, perk-less combat, theater, custom games, and equipment. I also think we’ll get some newer innovations, such as assassinations, loadouts, AAs, and firefight/ops (though in each case I expect a leaner, meaner feature set without all the fluff and unbalanced nonsense that Halo 4 had).
And I think that’s the best way to go, too.
> They heard the criticisms, surely. And it sunk home… have no doubt about that. And you can’t judge them by what they did after release… they’re just playing out a cruddy hand by that point.
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> But will it be classic? Maybe, as in both “yes” and “no.” Some classic elements will return, but we won’t be rid of some newer things. I think the classic things making a comeback will be (broadly speaking) arena style play, perk-less combat, theater, custom games, and equipment. I also think we’ll get some newer innovations, such as assassinations, loadouts, AAs, and firefight/ops (though in each case I expect a leaner, meaner feature set without all the fluff and unbalanced nonsense that Halo 4 had).
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> And I think that’s the best way to go, too.
That along with dedis and 60fps would be great. Hopefully that’s what 343i will do,
No they will not.
They will continue to try to change the formula to find what fits best to lure us hardcore fans in, while simultaneously appealing to the casual gamers. It is not about tradition, passion, or Halo. It is all about the little green man, and I’m not talking about the Chief.
Its all about sales and the Benjamins…
Probably or probably not. But I suspect no , I’m sure they will have at least a few playlists to be “classic” I don’t think they will base the entire game on it . AAA games usually target a broad audience so 343 will create new experiences to draw in new people , those new experiences may not be “Halo” but some people will just have to play those playlists if they want to play classic.
> I want it classic, with innovations, kinda like Halo 3 vs 2, but I don’t want it exactly the same.
What are those innovations? That is entirely new to halo.
> What I think of that notion.
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I think 50/50, but it does not matter. No matter what they do they are always going to be wrong. I am making no mention of the phrase “you cannot please everyone”, no it is much worse than that. When the the next game comes out and say they improve greatly, it will not matter. People here are going to lose their minds and absolutely annihilate 343 for everything, even if it IS a great improvement. If everything 343 does now is wrong and they improve I just do not see a difference it is going to make in the future. As much as I enjoyed Halo 4 I am not blind enough to not realize that they failed to get the community to like them.
Whether it is new, old or 50/50, I will still be here but others will not. I think the same thing is going to happen with Halo 5 as Halo 4 did with population. People are going to come back in hordes, find something they do not like, scream and leave. I also would not be surprised to see them go back to Halo 4 and worship it as they did Reach. Although that could be quite stretch.
I would say that 50/50 is the best. That is what they are trying to do, appeal to everyone. The execution of it is very important also, or else it will add fuel to the fire.
I think it sucks too. I am not happy to see 343 like this. I wish they could be doing better, but first impressions matter and they ultimately failed on that part. The damage has been done. Halo is just not going to be the same again. It is over.
It should ship with a ‘classic mode’, but I think it’s stupid if they try to make it exactly the same as all the other Halo games. If I wanted to play a classic Halo, I would play Halo 1. I’m open to any change, no matter how large. If the changes bring problems with ‘skill gaps’ or whatever the obsessive MLG players get upset about, then there should be a perfectly good classic/MLG game mode for them.
343 should innovate as much as they see fit.
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> I think 50/50, but it does not matter. No matter what they do they are always going to be wrong. I am making no mention of the phrase “you cannot please everyone”, no it is much worse than that. When the the next game comes out and say they improve greatly, it will not matter. People here are going to lose their minds and absolutely annihilate 343 for everything, even if it IS a great improvement. If everything 343 does now is wrong and they improve I just do not see a difference it is going to make in the future. As much as I enjoyed Halo 4 I am not blind enough to not realize that they failed to get the community to like them.
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> Whether it is new, old or 50/50, I will still be here but others will not. I think the same thing is going to happen with Halo 5 as Halo 4 did with population. People are going to come back in hordes, find something they do not like, scream and leave. I also would not be surprised to see them go back to Halo 4 and worship it as they did Reach. Although that could be quite stretch.
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> I would say that 50/50 is the best. That is what they are trying to do, appeal to everyone. The execution of it is very important also, or else it will add fuel to the fire.
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> I think it sucks too. I am not happy to see 343 like this. I wish they could be doing better, but first impressions matter and they ultimately failed on that part. The damage has been done. Halo is just not going to be the same again. It is over.
I don’t think it’s all doom and gloom as you say it is. Halo 4 was 343’s first game, and most importantly their first game as a team. It should be no surprise if it isn’t what most people expected or wanted. Not to mention the fact they were limited by a decade old system with only 500mb of memory for the game to run. With the xbox one they’ll have so much more leg room, and I won’t be surprised if they blow everyone away.
It didn’t look like 343i wanted to listen to the community while they were making Halo 4. And the community was pretty loud at that time.
Sadly, I believed them when they told us it still has the Halo feel and it’s still a great,competitive Halo game.
However, I hope Halo 4 teached them something. I found it okay that they wanted to make Halo 4 their game and that they wanted to make some changes, but they have made too many wrong ones. Spartan Ops was enough change to say: “Hey, this game was made by 343i, and we thank them for this cool new addition.” No need to change the core.
Whatever they say, i won’t belive this time…
343 don’t take criticism well, Infact they don’t take it at all.
We can only hope…
I hope pride doesn’t get in the way.
They seem more concerned with putting their “stamp” on Halo rather than making a good game the fans actually want. I can only hope and pray they’ve taken something away from their mistakes, otherwise we’ll be back in the same boat as before. Please don’t follow in the missteps of Halo 4 and make something that Bungie would be proud of. You’ve adopted their baby, so please take good care of it.
The best think Halo 5 has going for it is the change of an entire console which means the entire engine must be rebuilt. It’s not going to just be Halo Reach’s engine, modified to fit Halo 4 scenario.
My only concern is how long ago did they have the development kit since this is a -Yoink!- company, they could have started to design the engine towards Halo 4 before Halo 4 even launched. It’s common to start designing for the future before the currently version is even fully on the market. Lets just hope they didn’t already calculate some of the big problems and issue back into the new engine.
I know 343i saw all the criticism, honestly gamers are so picky these days and it’s impossible to make them happy. For all the Halo 3 fans out there, just keep playing Halo 3. I believe video games should change, otherwise they’d be just like COD, same game every year with a different cover. I actually think they did a pretty good job with Halo 4.
It’d be better if it was still different than Halo 3, just in a different way
I like everything they did, I just think they made a mistake with the amount of stuff you can put on a loadout. Scoped weapons like the BR shouldn’t be allowed in loadouts, everyone knows they’re better overall than the non-scoped weapons, which is why almost everyone uses them.
BR’s and similar weapons should be found on the map like they used to be, while the player can still choose their favourite non-scoped weapon to start off with.
> 343 don’t take criticism well, Infact they don’t take it at all.
Because thats why they’ve changed and updated Halo 4 so much in the last year… right?
I do think 343i recognizes where things went wrong.
But I do not think they will scrap all of their new Halo concepts.
Personally, the best solution is to have both options. More classic/streamlined/“competitive” focus, but also an about equal amount of focus on the newer class based/player choice and progression style. The Infinity stuff would be updated and improved, of course.