I'm starting to change my mind about the DMR.

Games Other Halo
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I used to be on the “it’s all balanced” side. But I think the DMR is easier to use at close-mid range than was “advertised” to 343.

Maybe for lower skilled players it is balanced. But once you reach a certain skill level (25+ in Halo 2, 40+ in Halo 3, can’t think of other examples), that slight increase in difficulty in aiming no longer matters. Being able to consistently make 5 shots at any range is what the pros and higher skilled players will be able to do, thus eliminating the usefulness of the other 3 precision rifles.

The weapons are probably balanced for “lesser skilled” players (like 90% of 343 staff, no offense) while for really skilled players, the DMR dominates all.

I guess the issue here is that I was hoping that there wouldn’t be a “jack of all trades” weapon like in previous Halo games.

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There needs to be a jack of all trades weapon in Halo. As long as you can only carry 2 weapons, anything else would just make encounters come down to randomness.

The only problem with the DMR is that the Carbine and BR were nerfed to be worse weapons than it. Had the BR and Carbine been more powerful, everything would have its place.

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I find it sad that people invariably just use the best weapon, it eliminates fun and variety from the game. It’s like COD, where everyone (for the most part) uses one bloody gun.

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I think the light rifle will be used the most. DMR and BR blend, that sounds very appealing to me.

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Tierness of weapons and abilities is not a sign of imbalance.
Large gaps in tierness of weapons and abilities IS a sign of imbalance.

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this again… -_-

wait till you have played to make proclamations about weapon balance, afterall it isnt that much longer till you get your hands on the game. There are many variables that will influence the outcome of an encounter to the point the milisecond diff TTK’s will not be as big of a deal as many make them out to be.

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> There needs to be a jack of all trades weapon in Halo. As long as you can only carry 2 weapons, anything else would just make encounters come down to randomness.
>
> The only problem with the DMR is that the Carbine and BR were nerfed to be worse weapons than it. Had the BR and Carbine been more powerful, everything would have its place.

Well the Carbine was rightly nerfed. It was easier to use than the DMR because its fire rate allows the user to make up missed shots more easily, killed faster than the DMR in the E3 build, and its sheer rate of fire can often make lesser-skilled players panic.

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Congratulations on seeing the truth. There’s simply nothing the BR does that the DMR can’t do better for a skilled player. The DMR is the most well rounded rifle. Not saying it’s the best gun evar or it’s the only one you should use. All I want is the BR and Carbine to receive a little love when they update the game.

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> Congratulations on seeing the truth. There’s simply nothing the BR does that the DMR can’t do better for a skilled player. The DMR is the most well rounded rifle. Not saying it’s the best gun evar or it’s the only one you should use. All I want is the BR and Carbine to receive a little love when they update the game.

Exactly.

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Hard to tell. We don’t know how the community will play the game and how the maps will play with these weapons, all we can do is wait and see

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> Congratulations on seeing the truth. There’s simply nothing the BR does that the DMR can’t do better for a skilled player. The DMR is the most well rounded rifle. Not saying it’s the best gun evar or it’s the only one you should use. All I want is the BR and Carbine to receive a little love when they update the game.

you havnt even played the game! mo my gawd. okay while we are at it, i think the 2015 corvette should have 700 more HP…i havnt driven it yet but yeah sounds good -_-

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> > Congratulations on seeing the truth. There’s simply nothing the BR does that the DMR can’t do better for a skilled player. The DMR is the most well rounded rifle. Not saying it’s the best gun evar or it’s the only one you should use. All I want is the BR and Carbine to receive a little love when they update the game.
>
> you havnt even played the game! mo my gawd. okay while we are at it, i think the 2015 corvette should have 700 more HP…i havnt driven it yet but yeah sounds good -_-

Wow. Bad example.

You don’t drive a car to figure out it’s horsepower. Those stats are calculated and displayed. Just like the killtimes were calculated and displayed.

Lol! :stuck_out_tongue:

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> > > Congratulations on seeing the truth. There’s simply nothing the BR does that the DMR can’t do better for a skilled player. The DMR is the most well rounded rifle. Not saying it’s the best gun evar or it’s the only one you should use. All I want is the BR and Carbine to receive a little love when they update the game.
> >
> > you havnt even played the game! mo my gawd. okay while we are at it, i think the 2015 corvette should have 700 more HP…i havnt driven it yet but yeah sounds good -_-
>
> Wow. Bad example.
>
> You don’t drive a car to figure out it’s horsepower. Those stats are calculated and displayed. Just like the killtimes were calculated and displayed.
>
> Lol! :stuck_out_tongue:

Where were the killtimes calculated and displayed? My only problem with calculating kill times is that there are several variables to account for.

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> > > Congratulations on seeing the truth. There’s simply nothing the BR does that the DMR can’t do better for a skilled player. The DMR is the most well rounded rifle. Not saying it’s the best gun evar or it’s the only one you should use. All I want is the BR and Carbine to receive a little love when they update the game.
> >
> > you havnt even played the game! mo my gawd. okay while we are at it, i think the 2015 corvette should have 700 more HP…i havnt driven it yet but yeah sounds good -_-
>
> Wow. Bad example.
>
> You don’t drive a car to figure out it’s horsepower. Those stats are calculated and displayed. Just like the killtimes were calculated and displayed.
>
> Lol! :stuck_out_tongue:

I dont think you realize the miliseconds arent all that matters.
for example (something more relevant so you can be happy)
the needle rifle vs DMR…

the DMR killtime is less than that of a DMR. yet a good player will kill you with a needle rifle hands down.

also DMR vs DMR…
after taking 2 to 3 shots to the back i can often turn around and still out DMR the person shooting me. (turning around takes way longer then MILISECONDS BTW) point being the miniscule ammount of time diff on the precision weapins WILL NOT dictate the outcome of a fight.

and that really wasnt that bad of an example. i want something to be beefed up even though i have no first hand experience with it, same thing…also it wasnt really meant to be an example it was more of a analogy. ty

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> > > Congratulations on seeing the truth. There’s simply nothing the BR does that the DMR can’t do better for a skilled player. The DMR is the most well rounded rifle. Not saying it’s the best gun evar or it’s the only one you should use. All I want is the BR and Carbine to receive a little love when they update the game.
> >
> > you havnt even played the game! mo my gawd. okay while we are at it, i think the 2015 corvette should have 700 more HP…i havnt driven it yet but yeah sounds good -_-
>
> Wow. Bad example.
>
> You don’t drive a car to figure out it’s horsepower. Those stats are calculated and displayed. Just like the killtimes were calculated and displayed.
>
> Lol! :stuck_out_tongue:

No they’re calculated for the best average.
Then they’re dyno’ed for the actual. Most engine HP ratings rarely describe actual drive wheel HP but they are available for those that seek them.
Also, every car (bike/vehicle/etc) is different from the factory and also breaks in differently. Some loose and some gain HP from the factory and the factory HP is rarely dead-on the advertised average, though often within 10%.
Shall I continue to involve more variables and concerns?

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> > > > Congratulations on seeing the truth. There’s simply nothing the BR does that the DMR can’t do better for a skilled player. The DMR is the most well rounded rifle. Not saying it’s the best gun evar or it’s the only one you should use. All I want is the BR and Carbine to receive a little love when they update the game.
> > >
> > > you havnt even played the game! mo my gawd. okay while we are at it, i think the 2015 corvette should have 700 more HP…i havnt driven it yet but yeah sounds good -_-
> >
> > Wow. Bad example.
> >
> > You don’t drive a car to figure out it’s horsepower. Those stats are calculated and displayed. Just like the killtimes were calculated and displayed.
> >
> > Lol! :stuck_out_tongue:
>
> No they’re calculated for the best average.
> Then they’re dyno’ed for the actual. Most engine HP ratings rarely describe actual drive wheel HP but they are available for those that seek them.
> Also, every car (bike/vehicle/etc) is different from the factory and also breaks in differently. Some loose and some gain HP from the factory and the factory HP is rarely dead-on the advertised average, though often within 10%.
> Shall I continue to involve more variables and concerns?

Congratulations you can use wikapedia. Thanks for the jargon.

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> > > > Congratulations on seeing the truth. There’s simply nothing the BR does that the DMR can’t do better for a skilled player. The DMR is the most well rounded rifle. Not saying it’s the best gun evar or it’s the only one you should use. All I want is the BR and Carbine to receive a little love when they update the game.
> > >
> > > you havnt even played the game! mo my gawd. okay while we are at it, i think the 2015 corvette should have 700 more HP…i havnt driven it yet but yeah sounds good -_-
> >
> > Wow. Bad example.
> >
> > You don’t drive a car to figure out it’s horsepower. Those stats are calculated and displayed. Just like the killtimes were calculated and displayed.
> >
> > Lol! :stuck_out_tongue:
>
> I dont think you realize the miliseconds arent all that matters.
> for example (something more relevant so you can be happy)
> the needle rifle vs DMR…
>
> the DMR killtime is less than that of a DMR. yet a good player will kill you with a needle rifle hands down.
>
> also DMR vs DMR…
> after taking 2 to 3 shots to the back i can often turn around and still out DMR the person shooting me. (turning around takes way longer then MILISECONDS BTW) point being the miniscule ammount of time diff on the precision weapins WILL NOT dictate the outcome of a fight.
>
> and that really wasnt that bad of an example. i want something to be beefed up even though i have no first hand experience with it, same thing…also it wasnt really meant to be an example it was more of a
> analogy. ty

There is so much wrong with your post, I don’t even know where to start. Your entitled to your opinion. As long as I don’t miss, the DMR will be the best precision rifle. That’s how things work.

For the record the DMR is better than the NR, a perfect DMR always beats the NR.

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> > Congratulations on seeing the truth. There’s simply nothing the BR does that the DMR can’t do better for a skilled player. The DMR is the most well rounded rifle. Not saying it’s the best gun evar or it’s the only one you should use. All I want is the BR and Carbine to receive a little love when they update the game.
>
> you havnt even played the game! mo my gawd. okay while we are at it, i think the 2015 corvette should have 700 more HP…i havnt driven it yet but yeah sounds good -_-

First and foremost if you ever want me to read a word you type again, use grammar.

Not sure what you’re even babbling about, but people have played the game. Pros, casuals, and everyone in between. And the consensus is that the DMR is very good. It’s not hard to see at all.

Read this.

Watch this.

Even more impressions.

The DMR is simply and undeniably better than the BR unless they snuck some last second changes in there. And I don’t think they did.

Yeah, people will still use the BR. Why? Because not a lot of them sit around on Halo forums and not a lot of them know information like this. Even nostalgia brings them to use the weapon and I honestly feel bad that they’re going into multiplayer without a clue.

Are kill times everything? No. But when you start getting to the higher levels of competitive play, every little bit matters. Look at starcraft. The higher level players will do do things that shave very very small amounts of time off their build. But those small amounts start to add up and it could mean the difference between a win and a loss.

It’s the same in Halo. Why would you use the BR over the LR when it has the added benefit of becoming the best rifle in the game at the touch of the zoom button? A four shot kill and the ability to kill 3 spartans without having to reload.

Why would you use the BR over the DMR which is superior in just about every way? Zoom, lethality per magazine, less individual rounds fired, etc.

What does the BR do they can’t? Really.

If you want to use it because you just want to mess around or for old time’s sake go right ahead. But when people start to realize that the DMR is such a versatile weapon that fills far more roles than the BR can…shrug

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I personally don’t mind. Who says that the BR needs to be equal to the DMR? The way I see it, the BR works nicely as an introductory weapon to the less skilled players due to its more forgiving nature (miss a shot, possibly land the other two from spread, etc). Better players will lean toward the DMR. Throw away the nostalgia; what matters is how things are right now. It’s a new game with a different balance. The BR does not need to be top in EVERY Halo game after H2.

The only con I can see is that it leads to a slight drop in weapon variety. But it’s not like higher-level players cared so much about that anyway, right?

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I think its true that skilled players will be able to compensate for the bloom and aiming issues of the DMR… so DMR and BR maybe imbalanced but I’m an AR user and I’ve gotten pretty good at picking out small short burst shots for ranges outside its niche range. And with the scope flinching I can imagine it’ll fustrate even the seasoned DMR users… and when it is close enough that the DMR no longer needs the scope… well then your in the AR’s home turf and he’s going to chew you up anyways…

The point I am trying to make is that skilled players no matter the weapon they choose are going to use it well and it’ll keep the playing field even… and 343’s stand on that is that more skilled players should win on those accounts, not because they chose a “better” weapon… which the DMR is not.