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…a lot of you don’t work at 343i.

If you did, my Halo series would have been a dead, dried out horse by now.

I’d be paying $60 for a couple new maps and some new weapons.

I’d be playing a game with about 3 weapons and 1 vehicle.

I’d be playing a game that I have to constantly see my teammates quit and not get any in return.

I’d have to play with boosters and cheats because ranking was put above even the gameplay.

I’d be bored because I’m playing the same thing I did 10 years ago.

And most importantly, I’d see about 10,000 threads titled:

“Halo is the same game every year. Its as bad as COD. We want our $60 to be worth it 343i!!!”.

With that, I’m glad my favorite franchise is in the hands of a studio that actually wants to see Halo become more than your generic “every year is an expansion” arena shooter.

I’m sooooo glad. ;]

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THANK YOU!!! FINALLY SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY LIKES HALO 4

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So you’re criticizing people who criticize the game??

:confused:

So therefore, you don’t want a good Halo game?

Your logic is so flawed, I don’t know where to begin. Personally, its not about working but about 343 having terrible ideas, or, if they were good, pretty much trashing it upon input.

Its not like we Hate Halo 4.

Its just that 343 has given us 0 incentive to actually play it; we play it because its a Halo game, and we don’t want Halo dead.

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> Your logic is so flawed, I don’t know where to begin

You can start by pointing out how it is a collection of strawman arguments.

> I’d be bored because I’m playing the same thing I did 10 years ago.

This simply doesn’t make any sense. Unless you’ve never played a Loadout Shooter before, Halo 4 isn’t bringing anything new that hasn’t been done before.

It’s the same as playing CoD4 five years ago.

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> So you’re criticizing people who criticize the game??
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> :confused:
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> So therefore, you don’t want a good Halo game?
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> Your logic is so flawed, I don’t know where to begin. Personally, its not about working but about 343 having terrible ideas, or, if they were good, pretty much trashing it upon input.
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> Its not like we Hate Halo 4.
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> Its just that 343 has given us 0 incentive to actually play it; we play it because its a Halo game, and we don’t want Halo dead.

Honestly i wouldnt take anything this guy says seriously. He likes to troll the people that dont like the game.

And i dont think ive ever seen one person ask for just a reskin of previous games. All we want is the game to play like previous games. Halo ce-3 had change but it kept the core gameplay intact. Now i know you will say halo 3 was just an expansion pack for h2. It was not, custom games, forge, and theater were pretty big things. So please get off your high horse and stop with the superiority complex.

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Line 7 seems to be what this community wants…lol even though they’d be complaining if that’s what happened.

Thanks for the post.

Lol one guy was complaining how 343 was being back shotty snipers because they were basically trying to make an appeal to all the people that left. DUH!
So 343 leaves classics out, burned.
343 re-adds classics. Burned for being unoriginal? For some people, 343 just won’t do anything in halo justice.

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> So you’re criticizing people who criticize the game??
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> :confused:
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> So therefore, you don’t want a good Halo game?

Strawman argument.

He saying that people here are SO against change that they’d would sooner let Halo stagnate and die then let so-called “COD elements” to be in the game.

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> > So you’re criticizing people who criticize the game??
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> > :confused:
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> > So therefore, you don’t want a good Halo game?
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> Strawman argument.
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> He saying that people here are SO against change that they’d would sooner let Halo stagnate and die then let so-called “COD elements” to be in the game.

It’s just as easy to use that (il)logic in reverse.

“People are so supportive of change that the game could be a platforming or racing game and people would still support it.”

In the end it’s mostly baseless.

I really don’t mind some of the changes they’ve made. Throwing the ball is cool. Killcams are a good addition. Flagnum is cool. Grenade indicators are alright.

It’s the ‘bad’ elements people are concerned about.

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We don’t want the same game very freaking year. Had 343i made Halo 4 traditional Halo, this community would slowly evolve into a CoD worshipping community. 343i desperately tried to create an authentic but traditional Halo. But it failed, and they began to improve the game one problem at a time. Tell any CoD fan Halo doesn’t have sprint, and they laugh and say, “CoD takes more skill!”
After Halo 3, we became the CoD community. Defending the game left and right and expecting the same with new maps, new guns, and new game modes every year. I love Halo 4 because it tried to be different and is a fun game overall.
Criticizing the Halo-mutant CoD fan base won’t get you anywhere. Glad you’re enjoying the game OP.

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> We don’t want the same game very freaking year. Had 343i made Halo 4 traditional Halo, this community would slowly evolve into a CoD worshipping community. 343i desperately tried to create an authentic but traditional Halo. But it failed, and they began to improve the game one problem at a time. Tell any CoD fan Halo doesn’t have sprint, and they laugh and say, “CoD takes more skill!”
> After Halo 3, we became the CoD community. Defending the game left and right and expecting the same with new maps, new guns, and new game modes every year. I love Halo 4 because it tried to be different and is a fun game overall.
> Criticizing the Halo-mutant CoD fan base won’t get you anywhere. Glad you’re enjoying the game OP.

  1. How is copying features being original? Spartan Ops is fairly original. Perks are not. Dominion is original. Ordnance isn’t.

  2. There isn’t anything traditional about this game.

  3. I don’t see how sprint is in any way or form a skillful addition. I’ll save you the dissertation because Ghidorah would get on my case.

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OP does have a point though, halo 4 would play exactly like halo 3, and believe me, that would be extremely boring.

However, there were some thing that were not implemented such as custom game options and classic slayer for nostalgia reasons.JiP was indeed a good idea, and trust me it does not promote leaving, if people are gonna leave a game nothing is going to stop them.Might as well replace the leaver so its not a one sided slaughter after 2 leavers.Forge world was horribly done, and most of maps were horribly designed, its like a 15 year old made them to be honest.The list goes on and on, so there are legitimate reasons why people are complaining.

343 has 6 games and thousands of forums and past threads,vids, and fan requests to work with, there was no excuse for how butchered the Halo 4 multiplayer was.Do i still play it?Yes.Why?Simply because i love shooting grunts(kidding).I play Halo 4 but i do not play its multiplayer, i just play spartan ops, not because i suck at games, but because there is very little in war games to me.I am just hanging on until the title update, after the TU i will decide whether or not to keep or trade halo 4 in.

I like the new features but certain thing should have been in the game, and the ordnance drop stuff was just silly, sorry but its just lol on too many levels.

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> OP does have a point though, halo 4 would play exactly like halo 3, and believe me, that would be extremely boring.

> I play Halo 4 but i do not play its multiplayer, i just play spartan ops, not because i suck at games, but because there is very little in war games to me

You so sure about that?

And it’s not like you can’t change without sacrificing your originality. Halo 3 had no trouble changing from Halo 2 and still managing to be unique.

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> > We don’t want the same game very freaking year. Had 343i made Halo 4 traditional Halo, this community would slowly evolve into a CoD worshipping community. 343i desperately tried to create an authentic but traditional Halo. But it failed, and they began to improve the game one problem at a time. Tell any CoD fan Halo doesn’t have sprint, and they laugh and say, “CoD takes more skill!”
> > After Halo 3, we became the CoD community. Defending the game left and right and expecting the same with new maps, new guns, and new game modes every year. I love Halo 4 because it tried to be different and is a fun game overall.
> > Criticizing the Halo-mutant CoD fan base won’t get you anywhere. Glad you’re enjoying the game OP.
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> 1. How is copying features being original? Spartan Ops is fairly original. Perks are not. Dominion is original. Ordnance isn’t.
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> 2. There isn’t anything traditional about this game.
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> 3. I don’t see how sprint is in any way or form a skillful addition. I’ll save you the dissertation because Ghidorah would get on my case.

Like I said, they tried. Not the same thing every year, so they decided to spruce up the formula.
Master Chief and Cortana, but that’s not a big excuse. We’ve also got Covvies and UNSC vehicles. Game types are returning.
Ask a hardcore CoD fan. I implore you. I’ve surveyed a few and THAT was the most common answer.

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> Like I said, they tried. Not the same thing every year, so they decided to spruce up the formula.

I sell sandwiches.

People love my sandwiches. In fact, they want to not only keep on buying my sandwiches, but also want me to innovate and perhaps bring new types of sandwiches to the table with new spices and compositions.

So I turn my sandwich shop into a pizza joint.

Makes sense right?

> Master Chief and Cortana, but that’s not a big excuse. We’ve also got Covvies and UNSC vehicles. Game types are returning.

It isn’t an excuse. I could make a Counterstrike mod with Halo textures. That doesn’t mean people will consider it to be a “true halo game”.

Game types aren’t returning. There hasn’t been any discussion on the matter other than “uh, well, maybe down the road”. A 1000 thanks thread gets that response from 343I, I don’t even…

> Ask a hardcore CoD fan. I implore you. I’ve surveyed a few and THAT was the most common answer.

That’s depressing.

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> So you’re criticizing people who criticize the game??
>
> :confused:
>
> So therefore, you don’t want a good Halo game?
>
> Your logic is so flawed, I don’t know where to begin. Personally, its not about working but about 343 having terrible ideas, or, if they were good, pretty much trashing it upon input.
>
> Its not like we Hate Halo 4.
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> Its just that 343 has given us 0 incentive to actually play it; we play it because its a Halo game, and we don’t want Halo dead.

I GOT a good Halo game. :wink:

If you had YOUR way, I would have a good Halo game…that I played 10 years ago.

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> > So you’re criticizing people who criticize the game??
> >
> > :confused:
> >
> > So therefore, you don’t want a good Halo game?
> >
> > Your logic is so flawed, I don’t know where to begin. Personally, its not about working but about 343 having terrible ideas, or, if they were good, pretty much trashing it upon input.
> >
> > Its not like we Hate Halo 4.
> >
> > Its just that 343 has given us 0 incentive to actually play it; we play it because its a Halo game, and we don’t want Halo dead.
>
> Honestly i wouldnt take anything this guy says seriously. He likes to troll the people that dont like the game.
>
> And i dont think ive ever seen one person ask for just a reskin of previous games. All we want is the game to play like previous games. Halo ce-3 had change but it kept the core gameplay intact. Now i know you will say halo 3 was just an expansion pack for h2. It was not, custom games, forge, and theater were pretty big things. So please get off your high horse and stop with the superiority complex.

THIS.

I’ve seen this guy around. He says nothing productive. At all.

Do I think this game is perfect? Hell no.

But I loved Halo 2. Even though it was UNPLAYABLE for the first 5-6 months. So why should Halo 4 be any different? Its a good Halo game; I understand why some don’t like it…but they only don’t like it because its not how THEY want it to be =]

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> If you did, my Halo series would have been a dead, dried out horse by now.

Right, because War Games is just reaching huge population numbers 3 months after release.

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I’m gonna break it down for you haters. Really try to simplify things:

A LOT of people like the changes. Maybe not as many as you “imagined” but many do. Its in the top 10 of XBOX LIVE games for a reason.

SO…many haters want classic Halo, correct? They want:

-no sprint
-no ordnance
-no loadouts
-small, completely unoriginal maps
-no AAs, etc. etc.

Cool. I enjoy classic Halo myself. But I ALSO enjoy the new elements of Halo. SO…why is it?:

-That Haters want ALL of Halo…to ONLY be played their way. “Classic”-ly so-to-speak. But when I talk to people who enjoy Halo 4 as is…they would also love a “Classic” playlist too?

so basically, haters can say they have “intelligent” arguments or whatever it is. But the truth is, the elitists are selfish. They want EVERYONE to play how they play.

How are they selfish, you say?;

Well, to use a metaphor; lets say you are in woodshop class in high school. When you have a block of wood, you can sand down to the point YOU want. Taking as little or a lot. To make it how YOU want it.

But if you start with a small piece of wood, you can’t ADD it on and make it a full piece (yea, you can glue/nail/hammer some pieces together, but its all not “one piece”.)

And to sum up the metaphor a LOT of people won’t understand:

-If 343i adds all these additions (AAs, Ordnance, Sprint, etc.) the people who WANT them, can have them in the main metagame. =] BUT if there are some that DON’T want them; they can always take them away (except for Sprint that seems impossible) Also, I’m sure 343i is listening and will give a classic playlist.

So you see? The “elitists” can make their classic Halo, but they aren’t happy with that. They want the whole metagame to be played how they WANT. And thats why a lot of people on these forums come off as selfish as hell.

343i can always take away some of these things for some playlists, for the people that don’t want them. But they could never just ADD them for the people who wan them, if they aren’t even in the game to begin with.

Moral to the haters: Stop being selfish. =]

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> > If you did, my Halo series would have been a dead, dried out horse by now.
>
> Right, because War Games is just reaching huge population numbers 3 months after release.

I can still find a good game. And its still fun. Also, I LOVE how you think that Halo 4’s numbers are weak. Go and try to play Crysis 2 or Far Cry 3, then come back and talk to me.

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> -no sprint
> -no ordnance
> -no loadouts
> -small, completely unoriginal maps
> -no AAs, etc. etc.

Generalization. I’m sure many would just settle for a balanced game.

> Cool. I enjoy classic Halo myself. But I ALSO enjoy the new elements of Halo. SO…why is it?:
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> -That Haters want ALL of Halo…to ONLY be played their way. “Classic”-ly so-to-speak. But when I talk to people who enjoy Halo 4 as is…they would also love a “Classic” playlist too?

Lolwut I don’t even. I’ve stated several times I don’t care if loadouts stay in the game so long as there are multiple classic playlists.

> Moral to the haters: Stop being selfish. =]

Little Timmy never liked Sandwiches. In fact he has always been pretty vocally against them. He comes into my aforementioned Sandwich shop which has been one for years and demands I make it into a Pizza restaurant. For some strange, unfathomable reason, I oblige.

The people who have always loved my Sandwiches are alienated just because Timmy wants his way.

Timmy could have easily gone to the Pizza restaurant across the street, but that’s not good enough for him. He has to -Yoink- all over the Sandwich community for his own selfish reasons.

My shop was never traditionally a Pizza restaurant, no one wanted it to become one except people who shopped at other Pizza restaurants.