I'm sick and tired of apologists.

Games Halo: The Master Chief Collection
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Reading comments here, on Reddit, Gamespot, Neogaf, and much of the general internet gaming sphere, there’s a very noticeable contingent of people who:

Say MCC is ok because it works for them
Say MCC is ok because they don’t play multiplayer
Say MCC has some bugs, but works well for the most part
Say 343 Industries deserve nothing but love just for merely making the game and selling it at a reasonable price
Blame Microsoft entirely for screwing 343 Industries over with changed party architecture

Bulls*** all.

These are the facts:

MCC’s multiplayer didn’t work correctly at launch, and doesn’t work correctly now. Frank O’Connor has stated that the problems are inconsistent (and that those who are angry have every RIGHT to be negative), so SOME people may not see them. But MANY do. And keep in mind that Halo 2 and Halo 3 both had near perfect online functionality when they originally launched.

They said that the launch problems caught them totally by surprise. Maybe some, but there were just too many for ALL of them to go completely unnoticed during testing. They have never admitted to intentionally releasing a defective product, which is what they did. Period.

MCC has campaign saving problems. If you haven’t been affected, you’re lucky.

Halo 1 and Halo 2 Classic are based off of their PC ports, which are inferior to the original console versions, especially Halo 1. Problems include poor hit registration, altered map geometry, falling through maps, missing shaders, altered HUDs, and aim assist bugs, among other things.

Several control schemes have incorrectly labeled mapping/mapping not in keeping with what the original games had.

Halo 3 and 4 are using older builds than their Xbox 360 counterparts.

Halo 3’s Forge is missing certain options, meaning that some classic custom gametypes such as Grifball cannot be replicated.

Armor customization in Halo 3 and 4 is more limited in MCC than it is on 360.

Dedicated servers, a heavily hyped feature prior to launch, are a rare sight.

343 Industries has terrible PR. Nothing but vague timelines, weak apologies, and vanishing acts from the top brass.

This sums up the entire situation PERFECTLY.

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Your right I should defer to your oh so superior opinion. My game works but who cares because screw 343! Damn them! Damn their fat hides! Never mind that I like the game and that I personally have no problems. I should still be mad! Grrrrr. GRRRRRR. My anger is truly seething. Never mind I have a different opinion than you. I should state it negatively to because you told me to! I should be angry!

I didn’t realize that one has to be angry at everything when there are problems with a game. I guess I shouldn’t accept the reality that it is broken and should instead sit in my bedroom seething in rage at people who tried to make something cool. They should never try to make anything cool again! Damn them!

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Not being a jerk here, but everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, knows about most of these problems. Even the apologists… they just have 343i on the brain. Every… Waking… Moment…

on a side note, do you really know if H3 and H4 are using older builds? just because the games don’t have the same features, like forge actually working or certain forge pieces, doesn’t mean it’s an earlier build if it’s using the title updated gameplay… right? Don’t bash me if I’m wrong, I’m not entirely knowledgeable in these things.

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> Your right I should defer to your oh so superior opinion. My game works but who cares because screw 343! Damn them! Damn their fat hides! Never mind that I like the game and that I personally have no problems. I should still be mad! Grrrrr. GRRRRRR. My anger is truly seething. Never mind I have a different opinion than you. I should state it negatively to because you told me to! I should be angry!
>
> I didn’t realize that one has to be angry at everything when there are problems with a game. I guess I shouldn’t accept the reality that it is broken and should instead sit in my bedroom seething in rage at people who tried to make something cool. They should never try to make anything cool again! Damn them!

QT.

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> > 2533274833380875;2:
> > Your right I should defer to your oh so superior opinion. My game works but who cares because screw 343! Damn them! Damn their fat hides! Never mind that I like the game and that I personally have no problems. I should still be mad! Grrrrr. GRRRRRR. My anger is truly seething. Never mind I have a different opinion than you. I should state it negatively to because you told me to! I should be angry!
> >
> > I didn’t realize that one has to be angry at everything when there are problems with a game. I guess I shouldn’t accept the reality that it is broken and should instead sit in my bedroom seething in rage at people who tried to make something cool. They should never try to make anything cool again! Damn them!
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> QT.

Thnks.

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> 2533274833380875;2:
> Your right I should defer to your oh so superior opinion. My game works but who cares because screw 343! Damn them! Damn their fat hides! Never mind that I like the game and that I personally have no problems. I should still be mad! Grrrrr. GRRRRRR. My anger is truly seething. Never mind I have a different opinion than you. I should state it negatively to because you told me to! I should be angry!
>
> I didn’t realize that one has to be angry at everything when there are problems with a game. I guess I shouldn’t accept the reality that it is broken and should instead sit in my bedroom seething in rage at people who tried to make something cool. They should never try to make anything cool again! Damn them!

You’re misunderstanding him. If the game works fine for you, cool. He’s not asking you to be angry. In fact, the post isn’t even really targeted at you. It’s targeted at people that actively defend 343 because they got what they wanted, despite the fact that the vast majority of people did not get what they paid for.
If that’s not you, then move along dude.

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> on a side note, do you really know if H3 and H4 are using older builds? just because the games don’t have the same features, like forge actually working or certain forge pieces, doesn’t mean it’s an earlier build if it’s using the title updated gameplay… right? Don’t bash me if I’m wrong, I’m not entirely knowledgeable in these things.

Halo 3, definitely. 343 has admitted that they currently don’t have the tools to update the maps to their most recent configurations. Halo 4, I can’t say for sure (I did not play the 360 version), but there is some circumstantial evidence, and if they don’t have the tools to bring Halo 3 up to speed, they may very well not for Halo 4 either.

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> Reading comments here, on Reddit, Gamespot, Neogaf, and much of the general internet gaming sphere, there’s a very noticeable contingent of people who:
>
> Say MCC is ok because it works for them
> Say MCC is ok because they don’t play multiplayer
> Say MCC has some bugs, but works well for the most part
> Say 343 Industries deserve nothing but love just for merely making the game and selling it at a reasonable price
> Blame Microsoft entirely for screwing 343 Industries over with changed party architecture
>
> Bulls*** all.
>
> These are the facts:
>
> MCC’s multiplayer didn’t work correctly at launch, and doesn’t work correctly now. Frank O’Connor has stated that the problems are inconsistent (and that those who are angry have every RIGHT to be negative), so SOME people may not see them. But MANY do. And keep in mind that Halo 2 and Halo 3 both had near perfect online functionality when they originally launched.
>
> They said that the launch problems caught them totally by surprise. Maybe some, but there were just too many for ALL of them to go completely unnoticed during testing. They have never admitted to intentionally releasing a defective product, which is what they did. Period.
>
> MCC has campaign saving problems. If you haven’t been affected, you’re lucky.
>
> Halo 1 and Halo 2 Classic are based off of their PC ports, which are inferior to the original console versions, especially Halo 1. Problems include poor hit registration, altered map geometry, falling through maps, missing shaders, altered HUDs, and aim assist bugs, among other things.
>
> Several control schemes have incorrectly labeled mapping/mapping not in keeping with what the original games had.
>
> Halo 3 and 4 are using older builds than their Xbox 360 counterparts.
>
> Halo 3’s Forge is missing certain options, meaning that some classic custom gametypes such as Grifball cannot be replicated.
>
> Armor customization in Halo 3 and 4 is more limited in MCC than it is on 360.
>
> Dedicated servers, a heavily hyped feature prior to launch, are a rare sight.
>
> 343 Industries has terrible PR. Nothing but vague timelines, weak apologies, and vanishing acts from the top brass.
>
> This sums up the entire situation PERFECTLY.

I’m so sick of people who keep flooding the forums about how much stuff they’re sick about!

Go away.

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Couldn’t agree more!!, well said.

Funny that the first commenter in this thread was one of these people you’re talking about. I’m amazed at the people who use this forum, that’s why I stay away.

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I’m sorry that you’re sick of apologists.

(see what I did there?)

:stuck_out_tongue:

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> > 2533274915643658;3:
> > on a side note, do you really know if H3 and H4 are using older builds? just because the games don’t have the same features, like forge actually working or certain forge pieces, doesn’t mean it’s an earlier build if it’s using the title updated gameplay… right? Don’t bash me if I’m wrong, I’m not entirely knowledgeable in these things.
>
>
> Halo 3, definitely. 343 has admitted that they currently don’t have the tools to update the maps to their most recent configurations. Halo 4, I can’t say for sure (I did not play the 360 version), but there is some circumstantial evidence, and if they don’t have the tools to bring Halo 3 up to speed, they may very well not for Halo 4 either.

Ah, ok thanks… they royally screwed this up, didn’t they.

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Over 100 hours and going strong. Finishing up campaign achievements, playing co-op and multiplayer. Can’t wait for Halo 5, going to buy the $250 edition.

Sorry you’re so mad that people like what you don’t like.

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Yeah this game has issues but frankly I couldn’t give a damn, I still love Halo, I love playing it on one console, me and my mates still play the multiplayer and I couldn’t be more excited for Halo 5. Yeah the issues in the game are frustrating but if they annoy so much that you create a list of all the things that annoy you then why do you still have this game?

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> Over 100 hours and going strong. Finishing up campaign achievements, playing co-op and multiplayer. Can’t wait for Halo 5, going to buy the $250 edition.
>
> Sorry you’re so mad that people like what you don’t like.

Wow…just wow.

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> > Over 100 hours and going strong. Finishing up campaign achievements, playing co-op and multiplayer. Can’t wait for Halo 5, going to buy the $250 edition.
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> > Sorry you’re so mad that people like what you don’t like.
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> Wow…just wow.

Yeah, -Yoink- him for enjoying the game am I right?

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> Sorry you’re so mad that people like what you don’t like.

Right, so let me get this straight. You’re telling me you like the state that Halo: MCC is in? The lopsided team numbers, the piss poor netcode that exists in halo 1 and 2, the long search times, etc.? Anyone who’s reasonable should understand that this is completely unacceptable. The OP is upset because you idiots accept this and continue to praise 343. It’s a shame, really.

This has nothing to do with Halo. It has solely to do with a company’s inability to release/fix a functioning game in times like today.

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> > 2533274795233660;13:
> > Sorry you’re so mad that people like what you don’t like.
>
>
> Right, so let me get this straight. You’re telling me you like the state that Halo: MCC is in? The lopsided team numbers, the piss poor netcode that exists in halo 1 and 2, the long search times, etc.? Anyone who’s reasonable should understand that this is completely unacceptable. The OP is upset because you idiots accept this and continue to praise 343. It’s a shame, really.
>
> This has nothing to do with Halo. It has solely to do with a company’s inability to release/fix a functioning game in times like today.

I dont have any of those problems since the latest patch. Perhaps its your connection? I would call your ISP and look into getting it upgraded. You can also port forward to open your NAT.

Maybe you shouldn’t call other people insults on this forum. Its not nice and its against the rules. 343i is working on yet another patch that will undoubtedly make this game even better.

why are you so upset?

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> > 2533274795233660;13:
> > Sorry you’re so mad that people like what you don’t like.
>
>
> Right, so let me get this straight. You’re telling me you like the state that Halo: MCC is in? The lopsided team numbers, the piss poor netcode that exists in halo 1 and 2, the long search times, etc.? Anyone who’s reasonable should understand that this is completely unacceptable. The OP is upset because you idiots accept this and continue to praise 343. It’s a shame, really.
>
> This has nothing to do with Halo. It has solely to do with a company’s inability to release/fix a functioning game in times like today.

Arguing over the internet is pointless dude… only way to know mcc does not have said problems for said people is by twitching it and as far as I know no one ever managed that lol… fact is 343 is coming up for a fix for a reason, they wouldnt spend cash in fixes if the game was ok right? This should be a no brainer

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> 2533274962731782;17:
> > 2533274795233660;13:
> > Sorry you’re so mad that people like what you don’t like.
>
>
> Right, so let me get this straight. You’re telling me you like the state that Halo: MCC is in? The lopsided team numbers, the piss poor netcode that exists in halo 1 and 2, the long search times, etc.? Anyone who’s reasonable should understand that this is completely unacceptable. The OP is upset because you idiots accept this and continue to praise 343. It’s a shame, really.
>
> This has nothing to do with Halo. It has solely to do with a company’s inability to release/fix a functioning game in times like today.

Arguing over the internet is pointless dude… only way to know mcc does not have said problems for said people is by twitching it and as far as I know no one ever managed that lol… fact is 343 is coming up for a fix for a reason, they wouldnt spend cash in fixes if the game was ok right? This should be a no brainer