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If 343 fused Halo 2 and 3 into Halo 4, would you play it? If they trashed specializations and AA’s and brought back the equipment, kapt the bottomless clip Energy Sword and just had theater in the new Forge would you play it? More so, could it compete with Black Ops 2?

Halo cannot be a copy and paste game and expect to keep up with the next generation of games. I know people are not going to be happy with Halo 4’s changes, but do you think the COD fans are happy with the changes to Black Ops 2? Don’t you think COD fans that have grown accustomed to the Mordern Warfare series are going to bash Black Ops two for going futuristic? Black Ops 2 went in that direction because it had no where else to go. 343 is doing the same with Halo 4. Just about every element and feature you can think of that has been implemented into a FPS HAS been made. Halo was unique at the start because it had features that no other FPS had. Then came Crysis 2 and Battlefield, and Gears and COD. Halo cannot be as unique as it once was because every possible new element had already been used.

Let me expain how the Modern Warfare series started and how things changed.

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

Introduced Loadouts
Introduced Killstreaks
Introduced Perks(unless WaW had them)

Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2

Kept Loadouts
Kept the same Killstreaks
Introduced Special Ops
Kept the same perks, hardly changed any

Call of Duty Mordern Warfare 3
Kept Loadouts
Kept the same killstreaks(added new looks to them)
Kept Special Ops
Introduced Theater Mode
Kept Perks, hardly changed any

Nothing if hardly anything was changed throughout the MW series because the core gamplay was what the COD fans were accustomed to.

Halo didn’t do that with the original trilogy. It changed with each game. Introduced new weapons and feautres.

Halo: Combat Evolved

Introduced Halo to the masses
Introduced Multiplayer over systemlink (basically custom games)
Introduced the Godlike Magnum
Introduced Co-Op

Halo 2
Introduced Xbox LIVE to the masses
Custom Games
New Weapons and Vehicles
Playable Elites
1-50 Ranking system

Halo 3

Kept Xbox LIVE
Kept Custom Games
Kept Playable Elites
Introduced Forge Mode
Introduced the Armory
Introduced Equipment
Some new Weapons and Vehicles

Now we come to Halo 4. So would you still play Halo 4 if it was a fused Halo 2 and 3 or would you just rather play Halo 3 or Halo 2? It would be the same gameplay so with updated graphics and a new forge. That would be repetitive?

Now we come to Halo 4…which as these things from Halo 3

Shield System
Jump Height
Movement Speed

Then from Reach
AA’s(Sprint, Regen Shield(unconfirmed), Jetpack, Hologram, Active Camo)Assassinations, Armory.

Then what Halo 4 introduces

AA’s(Hardlight Shield, Thruster Pack, Promethean Vision) 50 ranks system, Specializations, Mods
All games need to evolve somehow. Gears of War: Judgement is going to change, the announced BF 4 will have change to it. Games need to change to keep up with the generation of competition. People may not be happy with the changes with Halo 4, and don’t you think 343 sees that? The more people insult Halo 4 and demand things be changed isn’t going to help any. 343 knows they have a lot at stake. Halo: CEA did nothing for us and yes they have a lot to prove. Some of you have lost faith in 343 because of Halo 4, and you think a Dev doesn’t care about that? Halo cannot stay the same as the original trilogy. A lot of people on the forums have stated this, but that doesn’t mean we’re blind followers of 343. I have friends that are casual and don’t agree with some of the new things. Competitive players don’t either and yes they’ve made that clear. But no game can be completely perfected because there is no such thing as complete perfection. A Dev can only a polish a game to play bug free but 343 knows we are going to find things that are OP. Why do you think there have been Title Updates for Halo 2, 3 and Reach? Some of us have low expectations and others don’t. I know the golden rule, that you can make no one happy and its the truth, you cannot make the current generation of gamers happy with anything.
Halo 4 is a changed Halo, but no one can have a complete judgement enough to do a review of an unfinished game. A FPS or any other title cannot be unique any longer because like I said. Every possible feature imaginable has already been built into the FPS genre. Halo 4 has to evolve and that evolution may mean that making changes people don’t agree with. Halo 4’s launch will fill these forums like a madhouse of people criticizing the game. But these new features can be good and they can be for the worse, but no one can have a complete judgement of an unfinished game. Halo cannot stay the same any longer. Black Ops is changing also, and is going in a direction that it is going because it cannot go anywhere else which I’m sure is upsetting the COD fanbase itself. I’m sure at PAX the Specializations will be ready to test for feedback.
That’s all I gotta say. Whether you agree with me or not is you, but please, dont derail or turn this thread into a flamefest.

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Lots of words that I personally do not feel like reading over. I assume it was a good thread. Good job, OP.

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Naw, that’s what Halo 2: Anniversary is for.

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> Lots of words that I personally do not feel like reading over. I assume it was a good thread. Good job, OP.

As good as I could make it ha. But I know it was a long thread lol.

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You should put a tl;rd for each section because the average hater won’t read through the whole thing.

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> You should put a tl;rd for each section because the average hater won’t read through the whole thing.

You really think I care if the haters don’t read? You’re funny. I made the OP to explain something not everyone understands.

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Nice thread but after so many differing posts that’s pretty much arguing the same thing these long drawn out assessments can get tiresome. Really this whole thing is depressing and pretty much circling in on itself every day now. I could understand it if 343 employees were showing up openly and commenting for the need to draw out and power point your argument while others fall to lambasting them with what makes Halo Halo.

Sorry man it’s beautiful post but really I have no energy to support it or counter it. Everything’ been said over and over but there’s no real input from the powers that be, so we’re all sorta just clucking at one another till November.

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I agree with these statements as I wouldn’t be inclined to spend $60-100 for a game I already own.

I want the developers I follow to take risks with their product and explore new frontiers over repackaging an already age old proven formula with a $60 price tag.

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If Halo 4 was Halo 2 with Bullet Travel, Dedicated Servers, Fixed Glitches, and obviously updated graphic quality, I would instantly feel like I died and went to heaven.

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Tl;Dr: Would I pay for the same game to replace halo 4? No.

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> Nice thread but after so many differing posts that’s pretty much arguing the same thing these long drawn out assessments can get tiresome. Really this whole thing is depressing and pretty much circling in on itself every day now. I could understand it if 343 employees were showing up openly and commenting for the need to draw out and power point your argument while others fall to lambasting them with what makes Halo Halo.
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> Sorry man it’s beautiful post but really I have no energy to support it or counter it. Everything’ been said over and over but there’s no real input from the powers that be, so we’re all sorta just clucking at one another till November.

It’s perfectly fine, like I said. I made the OP to explain something people aren’t understanding. If people don’t want to read it or counter it, it’s fine. I don’t blindly praise 343. But I give every game a chance.

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I can’t wait for people to complain about Halo 5 and how they’re going to be changing that from Halo 4.

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> I can’t wait for people to complain about Halo 5 and how they’re going to be changing that from Halo 4.

Actually I was thinking about 5 today. We’re all about to spend a great amount of time in Halo 4 garnering these Specializations , Perks, rank and load outs. I really don’t want to start from scratch every Halo game. I think 343 should carry some elements over to 5 and nows the time to start pestering them on 5’s development.

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> I can’t wait for people to complain about Halo 5 and how they’re going to be changing that from Halo 4.

People are gonna complain about the whole damn trilogy, can we blame them? No we cannot. But, I dont want the title I’ve played since I was 16 to become reptitive like Reach. I welcome change and I accept it, but will I agree or like some things about that change? No I won’t and I’ll address it on the forums. I have a positive outlook on things in the gaming world but thats just the way I think. Others share that aspoect, others don’t.

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> Tl;Dr: Would I pay for the same game to replace halo 4? No.

Most people wouldn’t, and no one asked them to make that. Halo 2 isn’t the same game as Halo 1, and Halo 3 isn’t the same game as Halo 2. Halo 4 could have done something similar to those games.

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> > Tl;Dr: Would I pay for the same game to replace halo 4? No.
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> Most people wouldn’t, and no one asked them to make that. Halo 2 isn’t the same game as Halo 1, and Halo 3 isn’t the same game as Halo 2. Halo 4 could have done something similar to those games.

Halo 2 and Halo 3 have similar elements, feature wise. Gameplay and mechanic wise yes they aren’t the same game.

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I played those games for years, I want a new game.

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> I played those games for years, I want a new game.

That’s not what I’m explaining. Halo needs to change to keep up with the new generation of FPS’s. People may not agree with the changes, but other titles will easily overtake it if it doesn’t move forward. This isn’t 2001, this isn’t 2004 or 2007, it’s 2012. If you keep the same fundamentals and elements every game it gets repetitive. That’s why I used COD as a prime example. This new generation of games makes it impossible to keep the same core gameplay. Why do you think Black Ops 2 is changing the aspect of it entirely and coming into a futuristic approach with COD?

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Believe it or not CoD and halo both introduced more into there franchise then you stated.
Oh and you missed WaW and BlOPS

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> Believe it or not CoD and halo both introduced more into there franchise then you stated.
> Oh and you missed WaW and BlOPS

Because Black Ops and World at War, weren’t part of the Modern Warfare series which is specificly what I was using as an example.