I'll let you in on a little secret...

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Hi, my name is Katt and I’ve been on these forums from day 1 (I just don’t post much, as you can see). Some of you know me because I’m on your friend’s list, some of you may recognise me from the posts I make every once in a while.

I’m that one person arguing in favour of a decent compromise for everyone. I’m that one person who doesn’t understand why so many people can’t see how the Title Update is in fact a compromise.

It has the goodness of Zero Bloom mixed with the bad of Vanilla (that’s just in my opinion) but I can accept that because I understand what a compromise means.

I won’t get everything I want (complete removal of bloom) but it’s okay, because I can compromise.

So, you guys wanna know my little secret?

I hated Zero Bloom when it first came out.

Some of you may also know my boyfriend, coca mola. He loved Zero Bloom the moment he played it. But me? I couldn’t get to grips with it. I kept missing shots, dying over and over again. I really wasn’t enjoying myself. I was bad at it.

But I kept playing it, because coca mola wanted to play it. If it were down to me at the time, I would have just completely given up on it.

So guess what happened? I adapted to it… without really trying or even noticing, I was getting better and better.

And so, I came to love Zero Bloom.

Sometimes changes happen, guys. There are things wrong with Halo: Reach, and it does seem like the March Update is going to make things worse.

What everyone needs to realise is no matter how hard it may seem, you can adapt to a different type of gameplay.

Zero Bloom is miles different from Vanilla. I’m not asking you to adapt to that.

Vanilla players, I’m asking you to compromise with me. I’m asking you to adapt to a slightly different style of gameplay.

More and more will be taken out of the TU. At this rate it will be back to Vanilla again.

This is not fair. This is not a compromise.

I’m not here to argue, so don’t get mad. I just wanted to let you know how I feel.

Thanks. :slight_smile:

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There Reaches (sorry for the pun) where the negatives of compromises outweigh the positives.

I can’t speak for everyone but I’m tired of all the different settings which each have their own issues.

I’ve just accepted Reach isn’t a very competitive game regardless of settings used and more importantly it isn’t fun no matter how well I do.

I’ve given up on Reach and will be waiting for Halo 4 which I will not preorder as I don’t have enough faith in it to warrant the preorder.

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No, the march update is the compromise. ZB is niche for MLG. Original TU w/bleedthru was creeping death to my interests and lots of others. I told you all this in the other thread.

Also why do you keep mentioning your boyfriend so much?

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I recently have been supporting zero bloom, too. I really enjoy the pace and skill gap that it provides.

I’m with you on this one Katto. 343i can’t please everyone, and the TU is a compromise that people don’t even have to participate in. Personally, I would rather have a global update to keep things consistent. But whatever.

It really surprises me how infuriated people are with the March update here at the forums. Don’t like any of the new settings? Then don’t play them! You can now choose to play Vanilla, TU or MLG. Is everyone really asking for more than this? Why? Ther are so many demands being made left and right here at these forums it’s ridiculous. It’s just a game… Play it and have fun or turn off your xbox and go play outside.

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> I’ve given up on Reach and will be waiting for Halo 4 which I will not preorder as I don’t have enough faith in it to warrant the preorder.

Unfortunately at the moment I’m close to feeling exactly like this. I want to still have faith in 343. I want to believe that Reach can be made better. I’m just unsure.

I loved Halo 3. I played it everyday and never got bored.

All this rubbish going on at the moment is kind of making me wish Reach was never made.

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> No, the march update is the compromise. ZB is niche for MLG. Original TU w/bleedthru was creeping death to my interests and lots of others. I told you all this in the other thread.
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> Also why do you keep mentioning your boyfriend so much?

Yes, you told me in another thread, so what are you doing here? I don’t care much to keep reading your nonsense.

I mentioned my boyfriend so people would understand why I kept playing something I hated - because he wanted to play it so much. You would understand that if you bothered to read my post properly.

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Countering you while you try to portray yourself as the voice of reason, using zero bloom as a strawman and calling for compromise and peace and love and ponies for all. As long as they are full TU ponies.

The compromise has already happened. Its the removal of bleedthrough. Its still not my preferred choice (total removal of TU) but i recognise that lots of people like the different bloom etc and my main gripe has been stricken out, so im ready to let it go. But its clear that lots of people on the other side of the argument would be happy with nothing less than total domination of matchmaking to their liking. The TU ratchet loosened just a little bit after months of tightening, and youve all gone postal and insulted 343i in the worst ways.

Thanks god 343i is starting to see through this.

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> Countering you while you try to portray yourself as the voice of reason, using zero bloom as a strawman and calling for compromise and peace and love and ponies for all. As long as they are full TU ponies.
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> The compromise has already happened. Its the removal of bleedthrough. Its still not my preferred choice (total removal of TU) but i recognise that lots of people like the different bloom etc and my main gripe has been stricken out, so im ready to let it go. But its clear that lots of people on the other side of the argument would be happy with nothing less than total domination of matchmaking to their liking. The TU ratchet loosened just a little bit after months of tightening, and youve all gone postal and insulted 343i in the worst ways.
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> Thanks god 343i is starting to see through this.

Please don’t mention ponies again, it makes me feel like I’m arguing with a 5 year old.

I didn’t realise someone could get so upset by ‘the voice of reason’. If you’re unhappy with the way I present myself, you should leave. I won’t change for the likes of you.

Also, the compromise was already made, a long time ago. Now it is being damaged, upsetting more people than before.

You cannot just make a compromise that a lot of people are happy with and then take something away from one side. That is what causes these major rips in the community. You may not realise it, but you are a part of that rip, and you are doing nothing but making it worse.

Please, for the sake of everyone else, grow up.

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Ah so now you try to attack my maturity and thus elevate your own. Cool.

Nope, still not buying it. Youre not the voice or reason here. The voice of reason were the people crying out for mercy as the TU swept the entire game to many peoples benefit, and apparently to just as many peoples detriment. It was not fair that we were heading to be corraled into action sack or something. For months we pointed this out. For months the TU people laughed at us and denigrated us. Seems like 343i has finally shown us mercy. Frankly, whos laughing now.

Also, ponies

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in my opinion, the removal of bleed-through is a compromise for the vanilla players because we were essentually being pushed out of reach by the TU.
343 did what they had to since neither side would adapt to the other.

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> Ah so now you try to attack my maturity and thus elevate your own. Cool.
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> Nope, still not buying it. Youre not the voice or reason here. The voice of reason were the people crying out for mercy as the TU swept the entire game to many peoples benefit, and apparently to just as many peoples detriment. It was not fair that we were heading to be corraled into action sack or something. For months we pointed this out. For months the TU people laughed at us and denigrated us. Seems like 343i has finally shown us mercy. Frankly, whos laughing now.
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> Also, ponies

I don’t have to attack your maturity. You’re quite good at proving how trivial you are all by yourself.

It is true what the mature members of this forum say about people like you. You cannot be taken seriously.

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Wouldn’t compromise be Vanilla existing at all post-patch? We got new settings, but we’re nice enough to let you keep playing with your old toys. Vanilla has always been there. Removing bleedthrough is no compromise. You can keep playing Vanilla, I can’t play TU because lack of bleedthrough.

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> in my opinion, the removal of bleed-through is a compromise for the vanilla players because we were essentually being pushed out of reach by the TU.
> 343 did what they had to since neither side would adapt to the other.

Now I’m pushed out of the entire game, left with 0 options. You had Team Slayer and Squad DLC he entire time. It isn’t a compromise, it is a shaft.

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Kind of rich for you to start talking about compromise and being nice when youre on the back foot, Stahl, when its common knowledge that you in particular and many others like you would see vanilla reach, me, and everyone else like me gone from the game forever.

Fact is, the majority of TU changes are still going to be in the majority of playlists. You already took over half my game from me. But youre still not satisfied. And new that weve managed to claw back a concession on this madness, youre positively hopping mad.

Thanks for proving my point about how you wont settle for less than total domination whilst me and all the rest can go spin. Thank god 343i seem determined not to let this happen.

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> in my opinion, the removal of bleed-through is a compromise for the vanilla players because we were essentually being pushed out of reach by the TU.
> 343 did what they had to since neither side would adapt to the other.

How is it a compromise when you all get to keep your TS settings and we get stuck with a TU hackjob? Then again, it’s not surprising that competitive settings are being ignored, the majority of the March update is geared toward action sack flavored gametypes.

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> >
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> Wouldn’t compromise be Vanilla existing at all post-patch? We got new settings, but we’re nice enough to let you keep playing with your old toys. Vanilla has always been there. Removing bleedthrough is no compromise. You can keep playing Vanilla, I can’t play TU because lack of bleedthrough.

I don’t think the removal of bleedthru is going to ruin the TU.

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> Kind of rich for you to start talking about compromise and being nice when youre on the back foot, Stahl, when its common knowledge that you in particular and many others like you would see vanilla reach, me, and everyone else like me gone from the game forever.
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> Fact is, the majority of TU changes are still going to be in the majority of playlists. You already took over half my game from me. But youre still not satisfied. And new that weve managed to claw back a concession on this madness, youre positively hopping mad.
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> Thanks for proving my point about how you wont settle for less than total domination whilst me and all the rest can go spin. Thank god 343i seem determined not to let this happen.

Team Slayer and Squad DLC have, and will always be Vanilla. And yes, while I would love to see Vanilla disappear forever; it won’t. You still have options. I do not, plain and simple. There is a difference between having 50% of a game, and having 0%.

I won’t settle for less than total domination? I have no issues with Vanilla being in its own playlists, since realistically, I know TU will never encompass the entire game. And you seem to be just dandy with me having absolutely no options. A bit hypocritical, eh?

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You have MLG, The purest TU list (including the ZB, according to Ryn up there)

I have Team Slayer for pure vanilla.

For the rest we get a compromise between these two extremes.

Are you suddenly gulping at the thought of being confined to MLG, the most pro list in the game? Thought you loved that sort of thing? If so, its only the same way i gulped at the thought of being confined to action sack, as a vanilla player. You didnt care.

Theres no way to please all of the people all of the time. But i honestly think that this is as close as theyre gonna get with Reach, given future plans timescales.