IDK to which reply this relates to.
Ignoring the fact that the vast majority of the armor in this game looks very plane and tame, what does this have to do with trolls or trolling? I’m confused on how wearing armor = trolling. I thought the trolls in this game are the cheaters on PC, AFKs, Feeders, Team killers, the dude who drives the warthog off a cliff, etc.
Also I’m pretty sure that if anyone is getting trolled, it’s the people who are buying overpriced cosmetics from the store.
Are you actually in grade school, or do you intentionally act like a child? You seem to have low confidence in yourself as a person, seeing as how you wouldn’t dare let your friends see you with certain cosmetics in Halo for fear of ridicule. If you don’t like something, that’s fine. I don’t like any of the starting colors, and it’s fine if someone else likes them. But your laughter at others for liking something you don’t is pitiful.
what ever floats your boat LysanderxX!
Peace! 
Yes, people buying cosmetics are getting trolled. As is made clear on this forum, some do it for their own expression, some do it to intentionally troll those who don’t want to see them.
My huge disagreement was with your assertion that cat ears, teddy bears, pineapples, cards, and flowers fit into the old art style.
The question isn’t even whether or not anything like that was there (there were some silly cosmetics in Reach,)
The question is whether they fit the art style, and the art style of Halo CE - Reach was based heavily on a contrast between beautiful environments and intense, industrial, military science fiction.
Thought you didn’t want to interact anymore, at all?
Have you ever served? Honest question because you talk like you know a lot about military service but it doesn’t sound like you do.
I mean yeah that’s what I’m talking about. 9 years of green Spartans VS 11 Colorful years, Halo has simply been a colorful Spartan game for a longer period of time.
Possibly. But, MTX weren’t much of a thing back then - but multiplayer customization had been ever since the beginning and it logically built off 3’s. I don’t think it was quite as monetarily driven that it’d effect how the characters looked. You’ll see from really early concept art that Noble Team was quite diverse in their appearances. At no point were they all green.
That’s just it - who’s gonna’ stop them? Look at the Lone Wolves - their Rakshasa cores. Eklund makes particular note of how nonstandard it is. But, nobody’s stopping her. Her gear - and ours, are amalgamations of choices, mistakes, sacrifices.
So on that note, there’s a lot about Spartan IVs that needs to be covered, but I’ve become more okay with their lack of professionalism over time because…
They REALLY ARE just jacked up jarheads! That’s it! They’re just troopers on roids when push comes to shove. That’s… also kind of what makes Spartan IVs so great. They’re allowed to be more human, make more mistakes, be less uptight - there’s more of them, they’re universally the best the UNSC has to offer and they’re… Well, really honestly, just people. I was annoyed at first, but my ideas of what a Spartan should be VS. what they were hadn’t adjusted yet.
We can’t expect them to be maladapted genetically augmented children raised for war and nothing but forever, can we? John’s so good at what he does because he knows nothing else. (Hel, it’s part of why the TV series is interesting. He gets that, “There’s more to life than this” spike in his head way earlier narratively.)
Now my post is gonna’ get torn to shreds for daring to like the show, to which I will double down and say, I frakking love the show.
Anyway.
I’d like that too! I think seeing a bunch of Samurai, Atompunk and scavenger Spartans fall out of a pelican would be REALLY WEIRD but it’d be fun! That’s kind of the weird part - compared to many spartans I see my little metal triangles are so inoffensive lol, but get folks SO wound up because it ain’t about the ears.
You’re self aware, I like that - and was once in your shoes. Though clearly things changed for me. Oh but believe me, I still love Halo to pieces.
Damn, pure facts.
Chill man HozerDude is the most dudelyguymanbroperson on this forum, I actually appreciate how like. Uncomplicated they are.
For what it’s worth! The trolling is a side effect of the ears! I just have pointy eared fursonae and it makes me happy to have my Spartan look sort of like them…! It’s nice.
The ears do fit fine though. They’re the single least offensive “Dubious cosmetic” in the store IMO. well that and the bear and flower, those have very real precedent.
Crossed wires here. That is not art-style. That is a theme.
Think of it like Van Gogh. He paints sunflowers. Sunflowers, however, is not his art style. If I drew a sunflower, it would not be a Van Gogh. Same goes to the hundreds, if not thousands, of none-Halo art pieces with a contrast between beautiful environments and intense, industrial, military science fiction.
Depends if you plan on trying to use personal information as an insult or to try and win an argument. I’m not here for that.
Really? Nothing I just brought up has anything to do with the actual military, just Halo. Just Spartans. Even there, @LITTLEFATMONKEY and I’s views on this differ greatly. I’m fine with all sorts of Spartans, even pink ones.
Whatever is canon. Is. My ask is for a Fotus/343 manufacturing toggle. And there’s a reason the stuff categorised into those two boxes are where they are. I don’t dislike all of it, but I’m willing to not see the few colours that wouldn’t be there.
The most often things I see are flames, mythic effects ect. Hardly essential to someone’s expression, I haven’t met anyone or any friend of mine who’d fall apart over me or anyone else not seeing that one or two minor elements of their cosmetic appearance.
That’s the thing, even with a toggle we’re all still seeing 90% of each other. A toggle would be great, switch it on for whatever seasonal madness is going on.
Snowman heads.
Super saiyan holographic hair.
Pumpkin heads.
ect.
I’d rather be fine with these things being in the game whilst also being able to opt out of seeing them when I just want to visually enjoy the game. A selfish demand, but that’s the way with all requests…
Widow is right. Aesthetic can be broad and vague. Tone, theme, art style are all different parts of the pie.
Your narrow personal definition of what is an “art style” is irrelevant. Early Halo aesthetics focused more on lining up with military science fiction of the time, a very “Aliens” style aesthetic, which was very industrial. With Reach they added colorful mjolnir, but at the time I didn’t complain so much because it was dented scratched, scarred, and still mostly fit in with the industrial aesthetic.
Starting with 4 and 5, they went for a more shiny, cartoon style aesthetic, peaking in 5. In Infinite, they tried to both move back to the classic art style inspired by military science fiction while also moving a lot of content away from said military science fiction, and that disappointed me. Just my personal experience.
Except it is just about the ears. It’s also about those other armors. I can tell we disagree on a lot outside of video games but thats not what we are discussing here nor do i believe i could change anyone’s mind about something thats actually important here because without getting to know people its very difficult to change someone’s mind.
But on the topic of a toggle i would say most of us don’t care about whatever values people hold outside of Halo. Thats not the issue here. The issue is the clear shift in tone and aesthetics that definitely stems from a deeper problem and that is Free to Play. Sure its nice to not have to pay for the game but each form of revenue has its downfalls.
DLC Packs exclude people who don’t buy them, Loot Boxes are virtual gambling and hurt progression as there is no good way to earn items you want outside of spending money and time to get and open boxes, and now in the era of Free to Play Season/Event Passes games seem to almost always lose the tone and style they started off with.
Ex: COD Warzone: started out as a realistic looking (this is about the art style not gameplay) military BR but now has crazy character and weapon skins that completely change the tone of the game
Thats what we don’t want. The fan base rightfully complained when H4 and H5 scrapped the Halo art style completely. Now Infinite’s biggest selling point to Halo fans was a return to normalcy and when that promise was a lie it does make us upset. We just want the ability to only see armors that fit that promise. It has nothing to do with whatever statement people are trying to make with the armors. It is just a simple desire to have a cohesive art direction and nothing more, at least from my end of things.
Out of curiosity, which content introduced you to Halo/really pulled you in? What was the first thing you played or read that made you go “damn, I’m in.”
I think for me it wasn’t even CE or Fall of Reach, all though I did obsess over them, I think for me it was First Strike. Then things turned downhill for me basically after Ghosts of Onyx and Halo Reach, and I’ve been longing for the vibes of the 2552 era since. That probably has a huge influence on my opinion here.
My thought about Halo Reach was not that those cosmetics were there for mtx, you’re totally right that wasn’t a thing yet, I mean that they were trying to copy the success of COD 4. Other games were being hugely successful retaining players through MP progression and so in order to incentivize it, they doubled down on cosmetics and made the armors locked behind XP walls rather than the achievements etc. you had to do to unlock Halo 3 armors. That’s why I think the decision was less lore based, and moreso based on getting people to grind armor to retain players.
In the case of the Spartans on Zeta Halo, yes, they arguably wouldn’t be stopped from customizing their armor since there is no command structure, but they also probably wouldn’t be finding or using anything that wasn’t necessary for combat. Outside of Zeta Halo, Spartans are part of a chain of command… the whole Chief going AWOL in Halo 5 thing seems like it became a major theme for 343, and now suddenly the Spartans, the most disciplined force in history, are all being portrayed as rogues?
I think we’ll have to just agree to disagree about the show. I’m really not a fan of alternate timelines created to sell more stuff, and it had a really b-movie quality about it, when I was hoping for something as good as Landfall.
Halo 3 had the best trailers, best MP armors, and best armor unlock system. I wish we could get a few unchanging challenges to unlock armors like H3 Recon and Hayabusa and H5 Helioskrill. It gives skilled people an armor to show off and work towards. As of now all armor is either a time grind or paid for and aside from the ranked emblems there is no way to show off skill which is unfortunate.
Agreed that it was cool when the armor actually represented skill and not time burned or money spent.
That said, Halo Reach had the best armor unlock system for me. Kept me coming back, was constantly satisfying. The 1 point for a win and zero for a loss system just never got me into H3 MP.
I think you are talking about the Reach XP system there which i agree H3 didn’t have a good one. I just did not like time being the main factor in unlocking armor. Anyone can spend time but armors unlocked via skill are more appealing to me.
I don’t see why we can’t have both though because that would give us multiple ways to unlock armor which is great.
That’s fair! Good point.
I did love having some armors only available through achievements. I’ve got my rose tinted glasses on, I’m forgetting what a grind it was to get that Commando helmet. After that I left most of the other stuff locked until I got MCC and got all the Reach armor through PVE challenges.
lol
So you haven’t served, okay cool. So that means you don’t REALLY know what you’re talking about. Well, while I haven’t served, I have lived on military bases several times throughout my life and I was raised by a Marine. I’ll let others here decide who’s word is more valid.
Halo 2, the New Mombasa levels. I’d never played a shooter that cool, and I’d played a lot of shooters! I grew up on Duke Nukem, Dark Forces, Half-Life and dozens of shooters inbetween - but Halo 2 sold the Xbox for me!!
I also grew up right wing though, for what it’s worth. Obviously I’m not now, but that definitely had no impact on Halo since… Halo’s incredible diversity in both humanity and its aliens inspired me to reach forward and out in a similar fashion. I still think Halo handles aliens in the best way a Sci-fi can.
That’s completely fair. It’s a time long-past, but I feel you and even sort of vibe with it.
Even if it wasn’t lore based (though I do believe it was), those armor kits and irregular Spartans are ineffably part of the lore as presented. I mean they had full live action costumes for goodness’ sake.
Not quite. Remember that Blue Team and fireteam Osiris had very clear visual identities too. That and Spartans - lore wise - are testing out new equipment constantly. That’s the lore for why we got so much weird stuff in 4-5. It’s not that Spartans are rogues… It’s more that they’re, just people. IVs are just nothing like IIs and I think that’s really important.
This I wholly agree with. There are reasons I wear my tacmap from LSS and my MK V has had to be re-earned constantly, it’s a badge of pride for me. That I can tack on cute little ears is just a lovely more-personal-for-me-now addition that I ADORE.
The grind was Halo: Reach’s worst part and I hope it never returns. I think the Battle Passes generally progress easier and better - and did even in Infinite’s vanilla release tbh. But like. Yeah, no, I think we ALL remember Warrant Officer Grade 3…
Got this out of the road map video, if it hasn’t been posted yet. Looks like some insight when talking about Customization in this game. He posts this at the 7:13 mark in the Roadmap video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ramqlt7vxJ8#t=07m13s
I’m really excited from what I’ve seen from the community and their interest in our customization, and the way that they’re interested in using it and the things that they’ve been accepting of. And so we’re never going to abandon like the sort of canonical Halo look, that’s that’s never going to happen. We will always make Halo look like Halo, but we need to be able to support other, like personal preferences other identities that people want to show. Right? And you see a lot of services doing this. This is this is the right way of doing it, because it should be a community. It’s a social place, right? It is a place where you create and manifest your own identity. And so we want to create more distinctive options for customization, give people more choices, more ways of getting things. And that’s a big goal of ours.
Ok, I didn’t want to get involved with your arguments with people but I got to say, You treat The_MetaChief pretty… I’ll just use the word bad because I can’t say what I want to say, at times it seems when all he wants is to have a basic tongle for stuff that isn’t Canon. If 343 decided to make all that stuff canon, then the way I interpret things with him is he would accept that then. He might not play the game anymore because he might not like that, But that’s a whole different topic. He just doesn’t want to see people running around with snowman heads on and stuff Like you would see in Fortnite. He’s clearly a lore nut, CLEARLY As are many other people I know. I don’t see the problem here at all. You go on and on about wanting people to accept your life and who you are, well if you haven’t noticed, to me anyways, it seems like the majority of people on here do!! None of us have a problem with who you are or what you like or what you want to do and it seems more like you’re the one that is trying to prove something to people here at times.
Like your whole comment to him about have you ever served? What’s that really have to do with anything!!! I haven’t served personally either but some of my best friends and family members have. My entire family for generations!! has done nothing but serve in armed forces (Army, Navy, Air Force) or been in agriculture or both. My uncle alone is a career man in the Navy. He spent over 30 years there. He was offered one of the highest positions in Canada (Yes I’m Canadian) Does this mean I can trump you In knowledge in this field, because there’s a good chance I can and that I know more than you? No… Come on!! stop acting like you are right and he’s wrong here. There’s no reason to bring that up other than to trying to prove you’re right and he’s wrong.
The_MetaChief has been nothing but respectful to you from what I’ve seen in this topic and frankly like I said you’re coming off at times kind of disrespectful with this whole I know more than you attitude. So you’re wrong and I’m right.
You guys just clearly have difference of opinion and that’s fine. And that’s what it comes down to here, is OPINION!! Nothing else. The_MetaChief is clearly a lore nut!! As I’ve said. I’ve seen other topics with him talk about it He’s a lore nut!! Plain and simple. He just wants his Halo universe to be lore. It would be like if you were playing Star wars battlefront 2 and you could run around in Halloween or Christmas costumes or something. For some people, It would ruin the immersion and the lore of Star wars. It’s the same thing here. He can correct me if I’m wrong here but he’s not saying he wants the stuff banned from the game or anything like this, He’s not preventing you from enjoying whatever it is you want to do in the game or however you want to look.
Myself personally, I also don’t like seeing all the quote unquote silly stuff in Halo either. It honestly (along with MANY other much bigger reasons) makes me not want to play. If I want to play silly games or see silly stuff, I would play a different game like smash Brothers or Fortnite or multiverse or whatever. I don’t care if the stuff is in the game, But then give me a tongle like they have in the MCC. As I said in another post, I don’t see the problem with a toggle. It hurts no one. 343I/MS goal should be trying to get more people to play the game for obvious reasons! And if having a toggle gets even a few more players back playing or continuing to play, isn’t that a good thing? Don’t we want more people playing Halo? Because I thought we did. I know I do.
I don’t care if you reply back to me or not. I’m not going to get into a big back and forth because I said what I wanted to say. I apologize if this comes off as an attack, It’s not I assure you. I thought I would merely point out that maybe you should take a step back from time to time for a second and just take a deep breath…and remember Halo is different things for many people. If you don’t agree with something, especially if it’s just a preference thing, that’s fine, voice your opinion and move on. It’s a good thing to remember 
Given that we’re talking about a game and my arguments are from the games own logic. I don’t think me or anyone else considers your tangents and irrelevant personal experiences anything that crucial.
This right here. Thats the issue. Halo never really had “cuteness” in it. Thats the tone shift i described above. Halo had a tone that people loved. Its part of why CE-3 are regarded so highly. Reach kept a similar tone but people really do remember it more fondly than it was accepted at the time.
There are other game series with “tougher” tones and there are games with a “cute” tone. Why should we not be upset that the tone of Halo we loved has now been changed? If they added violence to something like Animal Crossing or Splatoon people would rightfully be upset because thats not what they were sold on.
I get you like them, that doesn’t change the fact that they don’t fit/belong in Halo. It has nothing to do with anything outside of Halo.
A toggle lets both sides co exist. You’re only other options are to either destroy the tone and cram cuteness down everones throats or to go the other way and have no cuteness or whatever in the game and revert to what we had. So a toggle is the only option that doesn’t ruin/-Yoink!-/change the tone in the game for either side.