If Visor Link, not to be confused with Smart Scope, has always been a huge part of the lore then why do weapons have cosmetic differences when zoomed in? Why doesn’t the Beam Rifle zoom look just like the Battle Rifle? Why does the Carbine’s look any different?
One would say that we are not looking through the scopes of the actual guns and that Visor Link simply can recognize alien weaponry to display a different looking zoom. Then why does the Lightrifle also have a unique look when Chief makes first contact with the Prometheans? How would Visor Link be able to recognize and be compatible with Forerunner weapons that have never been seen before? The Lightrifle zoom isn’t us looking through the scope right? So how is this possible?
Why would every gun have a completely different looking zoom-in screen if we weren’t looking through the actual scopes on the weapons? How do ODST’s aim scopeless weapons like the pistol? Do they also just conveniently have Visor Link too? Why does the first zoomable version of the SMG have a sight on it that looks identical to the reticule in the middle of the screen?
How do Jackals with no headgear aim weapons like that if they don’t have some sort of Visor Link? How would an Elite be able to zoom in with every single weapon that a Spartan can and get the exact same picture? Wouldn’t they have to aim a Battle Rifle just like a Marine would have to? Isn’t it easier to assume that both Spartans and Elites look through the scopes on their weapons?
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> Then why does the Lightrifle also have a unique look when Chief makes first contact with the Prometheans? How would Visor Link be able to recognize and be compatible with Forerunner weapons that have never been seen before?
How does Forerunner Technology recognise human/reclaimer DNA? How do their ancillas know which language to speak? You don’t think that Forerunner tech is advanced enough to adapt to human engineering, not the other way around?
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> How do ODST’s aim scopeless weapons like the pistol?
Because the scope is irrelevant to SmartLink? Which is exactly the point of the discussion?
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> Do they also just conveniently have Visor Link too?
What do you mean “conveniently”? We already know they do. In fact, even regular marines do, it’s just on their Google glass thingy because they don’t have a complete helmet. I’d have to look it up, but I’m fairly sure this was mentioned in the second book “The Flood”.
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> Why does the first zoomable version of the SMG have a sight on it that looks identical to the reticule in the middle of the screen?
What are you talking about? The weapon has a red dot sight, zoom doesn’t. If anything, the SMG from ODST is proof that Spartans and ODST don’t use the physical telescope on the weapon.
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> Isn’t it easier to assume that both Spartan’s and Elites look through the scopes on their weapons?
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> What do you mean “conveniently”? We already know they do. In fact, even regular marines do, it’s just on their Google glass thingy because they don’t have a complete helmet. I’d have to look it up, but I’m fairly sure this was mentioned in the second book “The Flood”.
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> > Why does the first zoomable version of the SMG have a sight on it that looks identical to the reticule in the middle of the screen?
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> > Why does the first zoomable version of the SMG have a sight on it that looks identical to the reticule in the middle of the screen?
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> Easier yes. But still wrong.
So no explanation as to why Elites have the exact same zoom that Spartans do?
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> So no explanation as to why Elites have the exact same zoom that Spartans do?
Canonically they dont. They still have smart link but theirs looks diffrent. Reason: diffrent operating system. And if youre wondering why say the br’s link looks diffrent from game to game thats because weve been using a diffrent model br from game to game. And as for why some guns dont have zoom capabilities in game thats because of gameplay reasons. The games arent accurately epresentative of the canon. Example being that in canon a single shot from a pp is a instant kill.
Snore getting kind or boring now Zoom says one thing Celestis disagrees with everything we get it one of you is real pro Halo 5/343 and the other anti/everything. Lets try contributing to things that actually matter shall we. Besides no matter what anyone says Halo 5 is moving into the future and becoming a more complex game than before not as simple as Halo games of the past as by today’s standards those games are pretty dull and boring. If we like or dislike the things 343 are doing lets say so and actually discuss why, not make useless threads like the above sorry Zoom. We shouldn’t worry to much about the lore being spot on for the games.
We need the games to be fun and balanced wanting you to come back for more. While not everything 343 is doing is absolutely the best way to take Halo at least they are trying new things because just reskinning either Halo CE-3 with prettier graphics would not work that would be the one ensure way to make sure Halo died a slow painful death.
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> Snore getting kind or boring now Zoom says one thing Celestis disagrees with everything we get it one of you is real pro Halo 5/343 and the other anti/everything. Lets try contributing to things that actually matter shall we. Besides no matter what anyone says Halo 5 is moving into the future and becoming a more complex game than before not as simple as Halo games of the past as by today’s standards those games are pretty dull and boring. If we like or dislike the things 343 are doing lets say so and actually discuss why, not make useless threads like the above sorry Zoom. We shouldn’t worry to much about the lore being spot on for the games.
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> We need the games to be fun and balanced wanting you to come back for more. While not everything 343 is doing is absolutely the best way to take Halo at least they are trying new things because just reskinning either Halo CE-3 with prettier graphics would not work that would be the one ensure way to make sure Halo died a slow painful death.
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> > Snore getting kind or boring now Zoom says one thing Celestis disagrees with everything we get it one of you is real pro Halo 5/343 and the other anti/everything. Lets try contributing to things that actually matter shall we. Besides no matter what anyone says Halo 5 is moving into the future and becoming a more complex game than before not as simple as Halo games of the past as by today’s standards those games are pretty dull and boring. If we like or dislike the things 343 are doing lets say so and actually discuss why, not make useless threads like the above sorry Zoom. We shouldn’t worry to much about the lore being spot on for the games.
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> > We need the games to be fun and balanced wanting you to come back for more. While not everything 343 is doing is absolutely the best way to take Halo at least they are trying new things because just reskinning either Halo CE-3 with prettier graphics would not work that would be the one ensure way to make sure Halo died a slow painful death.
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You mean wrong thread or forum? Plus does it really matter I am just replying to both of the above users shouldn’t make much difference where I post it. Better than creating a random crap thread for that sole purpose.
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> > > Snore getting kind or boring now Zoom says one thing Celestis disagrees with everything we get it one of you is real pro Halo 5/343 and the other anti/everything. Lets try contributing to things that actually matter shall we. Besides no matter what anyone says Halo 5 is moving into the future and becoming a more complex game than before not as simple as Halo games of the past as by today’s standards those games are pretty dull and boring. If we like or dislike the things 343 are doing lets say so and actually discuss why, not make useless threads like the above sorry Zoom. We shouldn’t worry to much about the lore being spot on for the games.
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> > > We need the games to be fun and balanced wanting you to come back for more. While not everything 343 is doing is absolutely the best way to take Halo at least they are trying new things because just reskinning either Halo CE-3 with prettier graphics would not work that would be the one ensure way to make sure Halo died a slow painful death.
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> You mean wrong thread or forum? Plus does it really matter I am just replying to both of the above users shouldn’t make much difference where I post it. Better than creating a random crap thread for that sole purpose.
You keep doing that and 343 will lock this thread.
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> > > > Snore getting kind or boring now Zoom says one thing Celestis disagrees with everything we get it one of you is real pro Halo 5/343 and the other anti/everything. Lets try contributing to things that actually matter shall we. Besides no matter what anyone says Halo 5 is moving into the future and becoming a more complex game than before not as simple as Halo games of the past as by today’s standards those games are pretty dull and boring. If we like or dislike the things 343 are doing lets say so and actually discuss why, not make useless threads like the above sorry Zoom. We shouldn’t worry to much about the lore being spot on for the games.
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> > > > We need the games to be fun and balanced wanting you to come back for more. While not everything 343 is doing is absolutely the best way to take Halo at least they are trying new things because just reskinning either Halo CE-3 with prettier graphics would not work that would be the one ensure way to make sure Halo died a slow painful death.
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I’ve done it once don’t plan to do it again. Also 343 will not lock the thread a mod would. Though I don’t see why that would matter this thread doesn’t really contribute to anything and we already have available threads discussing zoom/smart scope etc.
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> How do Jackals with no headgear aim weapons like that if they don’t have some sort of Visor Link? How would an Elite be able to zoom in with every single weapon that a Spartan can and get the exact same picture? Wouldn’t they have to aim a Battle Rifle just like a Marine would have to? Isn’t it easier to assume that both Spartans and Elites look through the scopes on their weapons?
I thought it was said that the Convenant use contact lenses essentially. Like how marines have their google glass. How else would a marine use an AR otherwise? it has no sights. It has always used a Visor Link.
Both sides have always used this system even if in game the HUDs were optimised for gameplay reasons. Given I have grown with the series thinking this was the case it’s easier for me to assume Cortana and the suits targeting system assigned a new reticle to a newly recognised weapon. Maybe by (just as she did with the camo module Chief finds off that first camo elite on Halo 4) soft patching in a fix to enable the suit’s software and the equipment’s (camo, lightrifle) software to work together.
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> So no explanation as to why Elites have the exact same zoom that Spartans do?
Since neither Bungie nor 343 have ever stated anything in this regard, no, not with absolute certainty. Maybe the Covenant adapted their armor to be compatible with UNSC weapons since the start of the war. Maybe this isn’t even actual human technology, but Forerunner, passed on through a Geas, therefore used by all three factions.
I am not omniscient, even though my posts might lead you to believe so…
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I still prefer my “every weapon has it’s own aiming software that is just needs to be made compatible with the suits’ zooming software”
We know that the Covenant reverse engineered much of their tech from forerunners and we know Alpha Halo wasn’t our first experience with Forerunner tech either. We know Forerunners wore body suits.
Hypothetical;
Covies and Humans find Forerunner tech that shows how to build Armours and how to connect that to weapon systems. Both the Covies and Humans reverse engineer this tech and build it in to all their armour and weapons. Then just like (as I said earlier) Cortana soft patching an AA to work in Halo 4. Both sides just need to soft patch in workarounds for all to be compatible.
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> I still prefer my “every weapon has it’s own aiming software that is just needs to be made compatible with the suits’ zooming software”
Well, we already know that things like the various crosshairs and such are stored inside the weapon itself. I thought the question was “How come the covenant can access the human SmartLink?”
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> Forerunner tech is advanced enough to adapt to our engineering yes, but ours s not advanced enough to adapt to theirs. In order for this to work, the Forerunners would have had to have used a functionally similar “zoom” system as we do in the UNSC. We have no evidence that they do, as such, we can’t pretend our gear would be compatible with Forerunner scope technology; the fact that Forerunner weapons have physical scopes on them would imply they do not use visor zoom (or at least do not use exclusively visor zoom; we have seen them aim down sites before).
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> What do you mean “conveniently”? We already know they do. In fact, even regular marines do, it’s just on their Google glass thingy because they don’t have a complete helmet. I’d have to look it up, but I’m fairly sure this was mentioned in the second book “The Flood”.
> Not all Marines have the eyepatch
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> > Why does the first zoomable version of the SMG have a sight on it that looks identical to the reticule in the middle of the screen?
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> What are you talking about? The weapon has a red dot sight, zoom doesn’t. If anything, the SMG from ODST is proof that Spartans and ODST don’t use the physical telescope on the weapon.
> That is not a red dot site, it is a red targeting reticule that is shaped identically to the HUS reticlue. The only difference is the color. If Spartans and ODSTs did not incorporate the sites of their weapons, than literally every weapon would be zoomable regardless of the presence of a scope or not (which, incidentally, Halo 5 gives us).
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Occam’s Razor. You just admitted defeat with that last statement. The simplest explanation is likely the correct one as it comes with the least amount of baggage or logical gymnastics. As such, by your own admission, it is easier to believe that they are incorporating the physical scope into their weapons. Nevermind the fact that all soldiers are trained to aim down sites anyway (“machines break, eyes don’t,” as the Spartan trainer Chief Mendez once said) if only to maintain steady accuracy. And we have also seen Spartans aiming down sites before, despite also explicitly uplinking their HUD to the gun.
I dont care how futuristic it is or who has it or not. For the life of me I cant understand why an augmented supersoldiers visor should block out all areas except a scope when zoomed in. I mean great, lets cut out 90% of the battlefield just so that we can look through a scope.
In 2001, with his decent armor (hint: read processor on Xbox), i can understand the pain of trying to zoom in and keep a viable outer layer of viewing. But now, with his next gen armor, it doesnt make sense why a spartan, 500 years into the future, is using a visor to link his gun sights to his helmet, and yet to scope, he has to give up 90% awareness of the battlefield.
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> Occam’s Razor. You just admitted defeat with that last statement. The simplest explanation is likely the correct one as it comes with the least amount of baggage or logical gymnastics. As such, by your own admission, it is easier to believe that they are incorporating the physical scope into their weapons.
> Nevermind the fact that all soldiers are trained to aim down sites anyway (“machines break, eyes don’t,” as the Spartan trainer Chief Mendez once said) if only to maintain steady accuracy. And we have also seen Spartans aiming down sites before, despite also explicitly uplinking their HUD to the gun.
You do know the difference between “likely” and “always”, right? It’s not for debate whether or not Spartans used video input to shoot their guns instead of the actual weapon sights. We know this to be fact. It’s canon. It’s literally everywhere, from the instruction manuals to the novels, it was even comfirmed by the developers. Unless there is an official press release concerning a retcon, this information still stands.
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> it doesnt make sense why a spartan, 500 years into the future, is using a visor to link his gun sights to his helmet, and yet to scope, he has to give up 90% awareness of the battlefield.
It makes even less sense why a Spartan, 500 years into the future, is using primitive manual aiming with a visual offset between his eye and the weapon and a huge blocky object in his FOV instead of the built-in camera that is specifically positioned to always point towards where the barrel is directed and the shots will actually land.
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> Edit: in fact, neither of the examples you gave are examples of Forerunner tech adapting to our engineering, but rather our genetics and our linguistics, respectively. Please provide examples Forerunner tech can even do that.
Master Chief inserting Cortanas data chip into Alpha Halo’s control room.
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> If Spartans and ODSTs did not incorporate the sites of their weapons, than literally every weapon would be zoomable regardless of the presence of a scope or not (which, incidentally, Halo 5 gives us).
Not all weapons have a smart-linked camera. But you’re right on one thing, though: All weapons should at least be ADSable, while the precision and power weapons should still retain their traditional smart-linked zoom.
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> > Occam’s Razor. You just admitted defeat with that last statement. The simplest explanation is likely the correct one as it comes with the least amount of baggage or logical gymnastics. As such, by your own admission, it is easier to believe that they are incorporating the physical scope into their weapons.
> > Nevermind the fact that all soldiers are trained to aim down sites anyway (“machines break, eyes don’t,” as the Spartan trainer Chief Mendez once said) if only to maintain steady accuracy. And we have also seen Spartans aiming down sites before, despite also explicitly uplinking their HUD to the gun.
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> You do know the difference between “likely” and “always”, right? It’s not for debate whether or not Spartans used video input to shoot their guns instead of the actual weapon sights. We know this to be fact. It’s canon. It’s literally everywhere, from the instruction manuals to the novels, it was even comfirmed by the developers. Unless there is an official press release concerning a retcon, this information still stands.
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> > it doesnt make sense why a spartan, 500 years into the future, is using a visor to link his gun sights to his helmet, and yet to scope, he has to give up 90% awareness of the battlefield.
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> It makes even less sense why a Spartan, 500 years into the future, is using primitive manual aiming with a visual offset between his eye and the weapon and a huge blocky object in his FOV instead of the built-in camera that is specifically positioned to always point towards where the barrel is directed and the shots will actually land.
So how do you explain all of the times that the Spartans are explicitly aiming down the sites? Having your visor linked to the gun doesn’t substitute the need to aim down the sites, because aiming down sites steadies your gun and is more reliable. Any sensible soldier will know this. Do you honestly think Spartans just fire from the hip?
To be clear, the Halo 5 zoom mechanic still uses the exact same HUD link logic it has always used–your HUD still zooms in and your HUD still projects targeting information, exactly as it should, which is what it always did in canon. This is especially noticeable in the AR’s zoom. But now, we also see the sites of the gun. That’s it.
Here we see a Spartan manually link her HUD to the sniper rifle, and yet, she still aims down sites.
Linking your gun to the HUD doesn’t precludes aiming.
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> > If Spartans and ODSTs did not incorporate the sites of their weapons, than literally every weapon would be zoomable regardless of the presence of a scope or not (which, incidentally, Halo 5 gives us).
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Cortana is a computer software program that was in part designed to study Forerunner technology and had, by this point, already incorporated Forerunner subroutines. She was compatible. You, however, are arguing two technologies 100,000 years apart that has never been in contact with each other will be magically compatible, just because. UNSC HUD link would not logically apply to Forerunner weaponry unless it was designed to incorporate it. This is a hardware issue.
