Sad part is 343i originally claimed something similar and bigger and better just before launch but we all know how that turned out. 
When the issue of FOMO and Cosmetics comes up I just think of those interviews when they said there will be no FOMO and the other one when they said what you see in event trailers will be able to be unlocked by ONLY PLAYING the event and won’t be available for purchase.
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Yeh same and it’s frustrating that 343i let that happen after claiming they wouldn’t. It makes it hard to trust anything they say.
Don’t tell me you’re gonna file a civil lawsuit against 343 for false advertisement.
Isn’t that the type of suit that only works if a company’s negligence leads to some kind of physical injury?
I’m no law nut, but you see anyone try to sue 343 for H5’s false advert?
I don’t recall anyone in this comment-chain claiming to attempt to sue. All anyone has said is that their claims about the game are factually false/lies and technically illegal in the US. Someone could sue, but they’d probably get away with it as they never actually “advertised” the game while making these claims. It’s a grey area with no precedence.
I was just speaking on that Lanham act quote you brought up.
If their videos about the claims on the game have legal bindings, then they’d be subject to breaking the law. That’s just the reality. But who wants to sue Microsoft? All we can do is -Yoink!- about the game and not play it.
Hell, the consumer base already won with Halo infinite. It’s the worst performing Halo, yet. The devs know they messed up and that most people don’t care about their half baked game. That’s all that was really necessary.
Of course. I know the laws the law. I just wanted you to be aware that no one is gonna sue 343.
So the FREE battlepass expires, but the Premium lasts forever…
If you read my comments on the matter you would know that I don’t like FOMO and that I feel that 343 are actively using FOMO. I haven’t disagreed with you on this.
What I did say was, not knowing what country you were from, I did not know what consumer rights laws were applicable to you. This is a subject I have experience in, having successfully won cases against big technology businesses (such as Google and Samsung) on consumer rights grounds.
In your allegations you hadn’t specifically quoted 343/Microsoft, you instead alluded to what they had said or stated your interpretation of what they had said but hadn’t specified which actual law(s) you believe had been broken. Someone saying they don’t want to do something doesn’t necessarily constitute an agreement not to do that thing and FOMO itself isn’t a clear and specifically measurable term.
As a result of both factors it wasn’t possible for me to gauge whether or not you had a solid legal case against them which is why I suggested speaking to legal representation if you either wanted certainty or wanted to actually progress a case. Again I did not disagree with you, if anything I encouraged you.
As for arguing that videogames are not a good or a service that is not an argument I ever made, I specifically stated that videogames were a service. For quite some time now it’s been accepted that the publisher and/or developer of software are the only people that actually own that software, customers don’t own software they use it under licence, this is why EULAs are a thing and, sadly, give the users of software far too little in terms of rights or protections.
I can understand that you feel upset by the fact that you feel like you have been deceived and you’re completely within your rights to feel that way and I do empathise with you but accusing me of making arguments that I haven’t made or of disagreeing with you when I haven’t isn’t going to help matters, nor does resorting to name calling.
You’ve made claims, I’ve offered advice as to how you can progress those claims should you wish to. That’s all, no name calling required ok?
I honestly don’t care what you think about FOMO, but you keep arguing as if 343 never made any claims against having FOMO. You are wrong. They did and I gave you the video that has had 3 million people (not including you apparently) having watched it.
I was also very clear with which video had the described false advertisement and have also been clear about the law precedence surrounding the idea of falsely representing your product to a consumer.
And again, I never claimed to make a solid legal case. I only ever claimed that false advertisement is illegal and that they falsely advertised their game. It’s as simple as that.
As a note about software, I already mentied that it’s irrelevant what form your product is. I never claimed that you owned the software when you buy a game, but I did say you have rights, as a consumer, to be given a service that’s 100% in line with how the servicer described their service. In the case of 343, they’ve consistently lied about Halo Infinite and other games and have successfully avoided a suit for various reasons. Most reasons alluding to the fact they’re owned by Microsoft.
I also don’t take kindly to you saying that I “feel decieved” because that insinuates that 343 took no part in deception, malicious or by accident. They lied about what their final service would consist of and that’s all that matters.
I namecall people that have a complete lack of conversational common sense.
I never said you did care about what I said about FOMO. I never once said 343 weren’t using FOMO. What I asked you was, when and where specifically did 343 state that no content for Halo Infinite would ever be time limited or would ever be removed from the game and what wording they had used. I’m sorry if you took offence to me asking a question but if you’re going to start talking about the legality of something then, as I’ve tried to explain to you, detail is important. If you didn’t want to answer the question you didn’t have to but sometimes in conversations when you state something someone else involved in the conversation might ask you to clarify something especially when it comes to points of law, you don’t need to take that as an insult or a questioning of your integrity.
Yes, after several posts you did reference a specific video by 343 and a specific piece of legislation, both of these were absent from your first post and from your first response to me.
I never stated whether or not you did have a solid legal case, I offered advice if you felt you had one and if you wanted to pursue it. You don’t want to and that is of course your choice but again that’s something that wasn’t present in your original post or your first response to me.
I never said you didn’t have rights, if I felt you didn’t have rights I would not have suggested how you could progress a case against 343/Microsoft if you wanted to make one. The sad fact is that in many countries consumer rights with regards to software licences are less than they are for physical products.
I wasn’t insinuating anything of the kind, I was empathising with how you were feeling. You DO feel deceived and that isn’t a nice way to feel. Yes someone could feel deceived even if they hadn’t actually been deceived but it’s just as likely that someone feeling like they have been deceived is because they have been deceived there is no need to assume the worst, if I’m telling you I empathise with you then I’m hardly going to insinuate that your feelings are wrong.
You can justify the way you speak to others however you want but I’ve done you the courtesy of trying to offer you support, advice and empathy, if those aren’t welcome then that’s fine but why choose to reward kindness with name calling?
If you don’t want to talk to me or anyone else about this that’s fine but you can achieve that without compromising on manners. Shall we leave it at that?
Here is my take, we can have both no FOMO and also good rewards, to achieve this these changes need to occur in the weekly challenge system.
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General rule: The weekly challenges need to promote fun game play, meaning they are fairly easy, tasks that you can do without really going out of the way you like to enjoy the game.
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if a challenge forces you to play a specific playlist, featured for example, they should only be play x games or earn x score, none of this get a kill in a specific way, back to point number 1 takes away from the fun, makes playing the playlist a chore, leaves the player with a bad taste of new game modes.
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Do not require players to have to play in FFA modes for challenges, rather allow the option, play FFA or Team slayer, unless those modes allow players friends to queue in together, most players I know play with friends, and it makes those challenges a chore when you have to leave your friends, you want to get it done quickly to get back to your friends, but it always takes too long and it frustrating for the player.
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When a challenge requires an action to be completed in a specific game mode, i.e. Oddball there must be a playlist dedicated to oddball that week, it is frustrating and not fun to play dozens of games of not oddball, finally getting an Oddball game, and then ending up not being able to complete the challenge in that game, only to repeat this process a few more times
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if there are challenges that require kills with specific guns, there must be a playlist dedicated that week with that gun as a starting weapon, fiesta is a good step towards that but is a pain for some guns, these challenges require players to go out of their way of how they enjoy playing the game, quickly become a chore for the player and leave players frustrated.
End of the day what brings players back is because they had a fun time, and they shared that time with their friends, its not the challenges or the rewards that keep people playing, that should be the cherry on top. If these suggestions get implemented into the challenge system, they weekly reward should be achievable by even the casual players, in about 3 hours game time so really good rewards can be included and I wouldn’t say they would be weaponizing FOMO anymore if this was done.
For me personally, when the week resets, I look at my challenge stack, and if i see a significant amount of challenges that fall under the categories listed here, I turn off the game and come back the following week, regardless of what the reward is. I’m not a casual player either, I have logged just under 700 hours in this game so far.
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