I’d use straight up genetic engineering instead of chemical augmentation.
Step 1: request ONI for a thousand Human embryos.
Step 2: Get the best geneticists and doctors.
Step 3: modify the embryos
Step 4: Place the embryos in artificial wombs
These soldiers have the following:
IQ that is twice that of Einstein
Five times the strength of the strongest humans, they can lift ten times their body weight, which could be 180-220 at 6’2.
Twice the speed of an Olympic runner, they can run twice as fast as the fastest on average.
Superior endurance, they have twice the lung capacity as a Olympic athlete. They also have superior heart muscles, with a capacity three times that of a base human.
How do you think soldiers like this would fair against covenant? For example, could they fight an elite without a strength multiplier like Mjolnir?
Didn’t you post this on Reddit also lol
Anyways, how do we know that the UNSC had the technology to conduct full blown gene therapy at the level of individual strands of DNA and successfully clone humans from embryos? It’s already been previously stated that the whole reason they needed real children was because cloning technology was imperfect and resulted in clones that died of common illnesses.
Also the Spartan-IIs didn’t just have chemical augmentation, a lot of it was physical implants which proved the most risky. That’s why the Spartan-III program was such a success in terms of augmentations, by that time the UNSC was capable of fully replicating the effects of the Spartan-II augmentations but completely through the use of chemical injections.
So yeah you’re idea sounds great and all, but did the UNSC have the technology and budget to make it happen at the time?
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> Didn’t you post this on Reddit also lol
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> Anyways, how do we know that the UNSC had the technology to conduct full blown gene therapy at the level of individual strands of DNA and successfully clone humans from embryos? It’s already been previously stated that the whole reason they needed real children was because cloning technology was imperfect and resulted in clones that died of common illnesses.
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> Also the Spartan-IIs didn’t just have chemical augmentation, a lot of it was physical implants which proved the most risky. That’s why the Spartan-III program was such a success in terms of augmentations, by that time the UNSC was capable of fully replicating the effects of the Spartan-II augmentations but completely through the use of chemical injections.
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> So yeah you’re idea sounds great and all, but did the UNSC have the technology and budget to make it happen at the time?
Not gene therapy, that requires a born subject. I was talking about full on re-sequencing of the genomes, creating smarter, stronger, and faster humans. Instead of modifying trillions of cells, this would involve modifying a few. These are not clones, but heavily modified and fertilized embryos, just out of cryo storage.
The costs for such an project would be way too high,let alone the risk of failure.
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> > Didn’t you post this on Reddit also lol
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> > Anyways, how do we know that the UNSC had the technology to conduct full blown gene therapy at the level of individual strands of DNA and successfully clone humans from embryos? It’s already been previously stated that the whole reason they needed real children was because cloning technology was imperfect and resulted in clones that died of common illnesses.
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> > Also the Spartan-IIs didn’t just have chemical augmentation, a lot of it was physical implants which proved the most risky. That’s why the Spartan-III program was such a success in terms of augmentations, by that time the UNSC was capable of fully replicating the effects of the Spartan-II augmentations but completely through the use of chemical injections.
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> > So yeah you’re idea sounds great and all, but did the UNSC have the technology and budget to make it happen at the time?
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> Not gene therapy, that requires a born subject. I was talking about full on re-sequencing of the genomes, creating smarter, stronger, and faster humans. Instead of modifying trillions of cells, this would involve modifying a few. These are not clones, but heavily modified and fertilized embryos, just out of cryo storage.
Same issue exists, whether the UNSC had the tech/money to do this.
Obviously they went with the best option available to them at the time.
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> I’d use straight up genetic engineering instead of chemical augmentation.
> Step 1: request ONI for a thousand Human embryos.
> Step 2: Get the best geneticists and doctors.
> Step 3: modify the embryos
> Step 4: Place the embryos in artificial wombs
>
> These soldiers have the following:
> IQ that is twice that of Einstein
> Five times the strength of the strongest humans, they can lift ten times their body weight, which could be 180-220 at 6’2.
> Twice the speed of an Olympic runner, they can run twice as fast as the fastest on average.
> Superior endurance, they have twice the lung capacity as a Olympic athlete. They also have superior heart muscles, with a capacity three times that of a base human.
> How do you think soldiers like this would fair against covenant? For example, could they fight an elite without a strength multiplier like Mjolnir?
Theres a big flaw with this plan.
You would be adding an additional 10 years as the babies would take time to fully mature. At least the S2 program took children, as opposed to babies as raw recruits.
Also, actively trying to genetically engineer the perfect human is even more morally questionable than what Halsey did. Are you basically creating a slave race deprived of rights who exist simply to serve their human masters? What if these superior beings rebel against their inferior masters? These sort of changes would be enough that they could no longer be considered human. At least the Spartan 2’s were still baseline humans and there was at least the pretense of them being conscripted. I am not sure why the UNSC doesn’t have a minimum age of conscription; but there you go.
Plus it isn’t clear the UNSC has the technology to do this as others have mentioned. Cloning is imperfect so we can assume that genetic tampering is similarly out of the question.
BTW, I think I did a topic a while ago where I speculated that Cortana saying “I am offering people a chance to be more than they are naturally”, could strongly imply that Cortana intends to apply this sort of genetic engineering to humanity and the other species of the galaxy. The Forerunners definitely had the technology to do this since they devolved humanity. But if that’s what your villain does, then it means the humans won’t ever do that themselves; because we’re the good guys.
While this isn’t a bad idea; it wouldn’t offer more than the original spartan II program, and have a lot of complications. You would have to worry about what to do with the mothers, complications from gene therapy,
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> > I’d use straight up genetic engineering instead of chemical augmentation.
> > Step 1: request ONI for a thousand Human embryos.
> > Step 2: Get the best geneticists and doctors.
> > Step 3: modify the embryos
> > Step 4: Place the embryos in artificial wombs
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> > These soldiers have the following:
> > IQ that is twice that of Einstein
> > Five times the strength of the strongest humans, they can lift ten times their body weight, which could be 180-220 at 6’2.
> > Twice the speed of an Olympic runner, they can run twice as fast as the fastest on average.
> > Superior endurance, they have twice the lung capacity as a Olympic athlete. They also have superior heart muscles, with a capacity three times that of a base human.
> > How do you think soldiers like this would fair against covenant? For example, could they fight an elite without a strength multiplier like Mjolnir?
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> Theres a big flaw with this plan.
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> You would be adding an additional 10 years as the babies would take time to fully mature. At least the S2 program took children, as opposed to babies as raw recruits.
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> Also, actively trying to genetically engineer the perfect human is even more morally questionable than what Halsey did. Are you basically creating a slave race deprived of rights who exist simply to serve their human masters? What if these superior beings rebel against their inferior masters? These sort of changes would be enough that they could no longer be considered human. At least the Spartan 2’s were still baseline humans and there was at least the pretense of them being conscripted. I am not sure why the UNSC doesn’t have a minimum age of conscription; but there you go.
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> Plus it isn’t clear the UNSC has the technology to do this as others have mentioned. Cloning is imperfect so we can assume that genetic tampering is similarly out of the question.
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> BTW, I think I did a topic a while ago where I speculated that Cortana saying “I am offering people a chance to be more than they are naturally”, could strongly imply that Cortana intends to apply this sort of genetic engineering to humanity and the other species of the galaxy. The Forerunners definitely had the technology to do this since they devolved humanity. But if that’s what your villain does, then it means the humans won’t ever do that themselves; because we’re the good guys.
About them not being human, they’d be more of a supspecies than anything, like a different breed of cat or dog. Someone told me the problem is, you shouldn’t give supersoldiers high-intellect that is on-par with an AI, because they could. That could give them massive egos, making them ambitious. An ambitious supersoldier is not a
good one. Do you agree with that?