343 Industries you should read this very carefully! I have very good points and I explain my opinion very well! That’s because Halo is my favourite franchise and I want Halo Infinite to became the best Video Game of all time! Let’s start!
I’ve been a Halo fanboy 2+ years and since I started reading posts and comments people always saying what they want about the new Halo games! But they were always care about themselves! Not everyone care how you can make a game that would be good or fun for everyone! They only care about themselves! I’m not talking for everyone of course! There are many guys that care!
Personally I don’t like the gameplay of classic Halo games (Especially Halo 3’s) but that doesn’t mean that I don’t play them or I think they are bad! I think new Halo games needs evolution and not because I want it but… I can give you 6 reason Halo Infinite should not be a classic Halo! At least in gameplay section!
Get in mind that I don’t say that is bad to remove some things or change some things! But it’s bad if you make a game that is Halo 2’s or Halo 3’s COPY! Don’t do that and here’s why…
More people that you can even imagine love Halo 5’s gameplay! I know. The most of you are like “What???”. Wait! I can explain! So if you read the posts and comments everywhere you would see that there are more guys want the classic gameplay to return that the guys want the new gamwplga to stay! Yeah! That’s true but there are so many guys that don’t post or don’t comment at all! There are so many guys that like Halo 5’s gameplay! But you don’t know it because they are not saying it! Also check Halo 5’s population! It’s not in the old levels but still I can find a much pretty fast even in balanced!
A big part of the old Halo fans have left and the would not retire whatever it happens! And that’s something everonev know! From the other side there are many new Halo fans! And many new to come!
Halo MCC is going to be fixed! That means that you will be able to play Halo CE,2 and 3 if you like them so much!
Some people only say that they want the classic Halo gameplay because of nostalgia! Listen… I know that you had your times with the old Halo ganes but a new classic Halo will not bring them back! Even with classic gameplay it would have a new felling and you will not like it! Trust me! I know!
There is no reason to make a game if you don’t evolve it! Don’t forget Halo CE back in the day in the day evolved the shottish games! Don’t fear the evolution guys!
Don’t forget the guys that they are about to come on Halo franchise! The current Halo fan base is fine! But of course we want more and more fans. But I don’t know many guys that would want to play a game without sprint or Smart Link (ads). Probably the 2 must things about the gameplay! Don’t forget the new people! And also the guys will review and stream or play Halo Infinite and would not be Halo fans! Halo needs a good name!
I hope you all read carefully and understand what I said! Especially everoeve from 343 Industries! I may be wrong in some points but I tried to do the best and say what I think it would be better for Halo Infinite! Not what I want!
What’s all the fuss about? You’ve gotten what you wanted for the past 8 years of Halo games. It’s not like you aren’t being listened to.
You’re really that upset people enjoyed Halo’s gameplay? How is it fair that only you get what you want, and the people that have put time and money into this series since 2001 don’t?
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Oh wow. I’m not gonna say what I really think since my next ban here will be permanent. Still while I agree that not all new movement mechanics should be removed, I think catering only to these “new fans” isn’t smart move by 343.
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> What’s all the fuss about? You’ve gotten what you wanted for the past 8 years of Halo games. It’s not like you aren’t being listened to.
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> You really that upset people enjoyed Halo’s gameplay? How is it fair that only you get what you want, and the people that have put time and money into this series since 2001 don’t?
I told you it’s not what I want! Halo evolves always since Halo CE! If you and some other guys want a copy of Halo 3 then I’m not in! They should get good things fron every previous Halo! They can remove Spartan Charge, Ground Pound and maybe some other things. Also they can add things that we had in previous Halo games like Spartan Abilities or even new things. But if they remove Sprint and Smart Link then they are goin forward!
What do you mean “You’ve gotten what you wanted for the past 8 years of Halo games”? What I wanted?
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> Oh wow. I’m not gonna say what I really think since my next ban here will be permanent. Still while I agree that not all new movement mechanics should be removed, I think catering only to these “new fans” isn’t smart move by 343.
Yeah! There are things you can remove like Spartan Charge! I never said the opposite! But Sprint and Smart Link is a must for a 2019 (It would probably release) FPS game! Like a said the current Halo fan base is very strong and we shouldn’t forget this! But we need the more people we can get for Halo! Don’t forget I’m not so old Halo fan but still Halo is my favourite franchise!
Edit: If you want to say what you think you can send a person message!
Umm, no. I’m sorry to disappoint you, but you have no good points, not at all.
You simply can not accept other people’s opinions, in fact you’re trying to devalue their opinions by saying that they don’t know what is good for the Franchise and they are just nostalgia blinded. Lol, but you know whats good for Halo, don’t you?
The rest of your post proves even more that you’re not willing to listen to other peoples argument’s - because there is a plenty amount of people with well written, quality feedback.
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> I told you it’s not what I want! Halo evolves always since Halo CE! If you and some other guys want a copy of Halo 3 then I’m not in! They should get good things fron every previous Halo! They can remove Spartan Charge, Ground Pound and maybe some other things. Also they can add things that we had in previous Halo games like Spartan Abilities or even new things. **But if they remove Sprint and Smart Link then they are goin forward!**What do you mean “You’ve gotten what you wanted for the past 8 years of Halo games”? What I wanted?
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Back to this?
I’m fairly sure it’s a very small minority who want copies of previous games. Personally I’ve only seen one who said he wanted that during my Bungie and Halo forum times.
I want a game which takes Halo CE as a foundation, refines and polish what that did and add ontop of that mechanics and features which do not go this “modernisation” path. Pretty sure there are those who agree with me, perhaps not on the game to pick as a foundation, but nontheless.
Second bold: Assuming you made a typo somewhere and it’s meant to say that they’re not going forward by removing Sprint and ADS.
I find it amazing that certain abilities aren’t to be touched, because?
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> But Sprint and Smart Link is a must for a 2019 (It would probably release) FPS game
“Current year” argument.
Where are the other current year things?
“You want a classic Halo game, you must want a clone of Halo 3!”
This is just a terrible position to take. Halo has always innovated. It has always changed. Look at the original trilogy, Bungie managed to innovate their games WITHOUT CHANGING THE CORE GAMEPLAY. Halo never abandoned the golden triangle of the weapon, grenade and melee. Why was this? Well because it was simple and to the point. The player must have access to these abilities for a much time as possible. In Halo 1-3, players were always moving at max speed while also being able to turn 360 degrees, shoot, reload and change weapons, throw grenades and melee; whenever they wanted. This wad the true ‘advanced mobility.’
Post Reach, 343 don’t seem to get this simple concept. They will force abilities like sprint that take away the golden triangle for the player. Now, if a player wants to move at max speed, they must be locked into a stupid animation, unable to shoot, throw grenades, and if they melee then they are locked into yet another animation. This is not advanced movement, this is restrictive movement. It’s stopping the player from preforming actions that they should be able to do in a Halo game. 343 will just force abilities into Halo, not because they make the game better, but because other games have them, and Halo must also have them because reasons! It’s not like the most popular and most admired shooter in recent years was a reboot that embraced what made its game great in the first place, turned it up to eleven, and put a giant middle finger to the supposed ‘better, modern fps’ games (hint: it was DOOM 2016).
Halo doesn’t need Sprint, and Thrusters, and Clamber, or any spartan abilities to be a good game. Just because some things are industry standards doesn’t make them automatically good for every game; especially ones that never had those standards to begin with.
Halo should return to the older style of embracing the golden triangle and putting it front and center. But instead, 343 tries to shoehorn in rubbish that has no business being in Halo to begin with. All because other games have it, not because it would be beneficial for the perfectly good game that Halo once was.
Interesting beginning speech though i dont see many points in it. Firstly there is a pretty much useless self promoting part (for example, “I have very good points”) though if its a first time introduction then fine.
Not aiming to be personal here, just saying that maybe it has more meaning if other people say so.
And obviously there are some personal views and preferences in the minds of every fans mind, even if they dont think about it much, and it shows on every post. So given that the posts are made by the people who want to use their money on the product they might have their own opinions about the direction Halo is taking.
So technically every post is about how they would like to see the product that they would be ready to spend their money on.
Sure there can be compromises but there really is no game for everybody and that is the reason there is not a single game that every gamer in the world play.
Also, what exactly yoj mean by “evolution”? So far all I have personally seen are changes and changes can be good, bad, neutral and such. Many of these changes have been what has been on many other games that is possibly about broadening the demographic as one possibility.
Though there definitely has been revolutionizing changes that have changed the style of games in masses and those definitely happen rarely and can still be debatable. These are changes that become mainstream in either good or bad such examples that are widely used in modern FPS games (not writing about gaming as whole since its pretty much too wide ranged) are checkpoint system, regenerating health and so on.
So there really is not a single way for a game to “evolve”. There always are exceptions that take different routes other than the popular routes or the trending routes.
And claiming that people dont care about the Halo as a whole is quite a claim. People really dont tend to critisize things they dont care about. If people really didnt care about it they would simply ignore it.
And a new game doesnt need to be a copy of the old games but similar core gameplay mechanics wont exactly equate a copy. Would you call platformer games copies of each other? What i mean by that is many of them have simple core gameplay mechanics but they still have different events and settings.
there definitely are people who like the gameplay mechanics of H5g, and i dont think anyone is denying that. The thing about that reasoning though is that comments on waypoint are a fraction of the whole fanbase (fanbase as in brand and not playerbase as in singular game) and its not accurate presentation.
Also, seeing the sales numbers of the main storyline games doesnt really support that the way Halo is going is the best/right way for it to go even financially speaking. The franchise peaked at Halo 3 and has been dropping after that. Though there was a rise on H4 to Halo: Reach levels though that could be about finally seeing Chief after years and hopes of solving that Halo 3 legendary ending, not saying it is the case for sure but it just seemed like that. Then with H5g the sales dropped nearly by half.
many from the old fanbase has definitely left but that doesnt mean that they wouldnt return if a Halo game was done well in their minds in the future. It could just mean that they wont buy everything with Halo stamped on it, those are people that saw how Halo had changed and found that it was no longer worth their time or money. Again, it doesnt mean they wouldnt return if a new Halo would meet their expectations.
Also, new fans doesnt necessarily mean the fans of the new style, just putting that out there.
yes, the old games still exist and I own original working copies but even though playing the old games is still fun even after over a decade easily, there is still that there wouldnt be an classic style Halo game with a new storyline (also, that there is no online support for some anymore) and such. And that logic could be used the other way around too, if you like H5g so much go play that. Obviously im not meaning that but im just giving you a different perspective.
that nostalgia bit could be true in some cases but its as empty argument as calling new games “generic”, it really has no any weight to it. And again, claiming to know what people think.
the “evolution” again. Halo: Combat Evolved really was a beginning of a big franchise and its sequels sales went uphill until Halo 3. It was the time when Halo built its core fanbase and time it peaked. All in first 3 games before the downhill.
So while some changes are good it doesnt mean all of them are.
there definitely are people who like the ads mechanics but I dont think “people you know” consists that many people that it could drastically effect a major franchice, i could be wrong but i keep that unlikely.
And ads mechanics really are not a must have as are not many other additional mechanics in games. They are just additional aspects, nothing more nothing less.
And new people are not forgotten but new people wont always mean fans of the new mechanics. In gaming industry its about the majority and sales. Not claiming that i belong to majority so the next game can prove me wrong and im fine with it. All that matters is that if its a good game.
There are some things to give you another perspective. Not saying that classic mechanics is a way to go but its still a possibility. All I hope is a game worth the name of Halo and not just another product to milk from the fame of the old games.
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> “You want a classic Halo game, you must want a clone of Halo 3!”
> This is just a terrible position to take. Halo has always innovated. It has always changed. Look at the original trilogy, Bungie managed to innovate their games WITHOUT CHANGING THE CORE GAMEPLAY. Halo never abandoned the golden triangle of the weapon, grenade and melee. Why was this? Well because it was simple and to the point. The player must have access to these abilities for a much time as possible. In Halo 1-3, players were always moving at max speed while also being able to turn 360 degrees, shoot, reload and change weapons, throw grenades and melee; whenever they wanted. This wad the true ‘advanced mobility.’
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> Post Reach, 343 don’t seem to get this simple concept. They will force abilities like sprint that take away the golden triangle for the player. Now, if a player wants to move at max speed, they must be locked into a stupid animation, unable to shoot, throw grenades, and if they melee then they are locked into yet another animation. This is not advanced movement, this is restrictive movement. It’s stopping the player from preforming actions that they should be able to do in a Halo game. 343 will just force abilities into Halo, not because they make the game better, but because other games have them, and Halo must also have them because reasons! It’s not like the most popular and most admired shooter in recent years was a reboot that embraced what made its game great in the first place, turned it up to eleven, and put a giant middle finger to the supposed ‘better, modern fps’ games (hint: it was DOOM 2016).
> Halo doesn’t need Sprint, and Thrusters, and Clamber, or any spartan abilities to be a good game. Just because some things are industry standards doesn’t make them automatically good for every game; especially ones that never had those standards to begin with.
> Halo should return to the older style of embracing the golden triangle and putting it front and center. But instead, 343 tries to shoehorn in rubbish that has no business being in Halo to begin with. All because other games have it, not because it would be beneficial for the perfectly good game that Halo once was.
Firstly, definitely agree. Halo has been good with making gameplay interesting without messing up with the core gameplay mechanics. Everyone had equal starts, everything you needed was on the field and the gameplay really did flow with constant ability to shoot, throw grenades and melee. The little tricks like crouch jumping were also part of the Halos identity.
And definitely thought of doom and maybe wolfenstein (the first of the new ones) that did have something like limited health (armor in wolfenstein) that dropped from enemies which made the gameplay more aggressive, faster and oh so oldschool. The point being not all games need to have every mainstream game mechanic to be a good game.
I want to make the distinction clear; as others have already stated, the majority of Classic Fans don’t want a Halo 3 clone, nor do we want Halo to remain stagnant or to cease ‘evolving’, we just have a different mindset as to how it should.
We want gameplay innovation through the sandbox rather than the player. This design philosophy is only considered ‘classic’ because the trilogy games are the only full titles to implement it; though Halo 2: Anniversary’s Multiplayer suite would also count and could be a good foundation for what we would like to see in a modern Halo game.
As to your individual points;
You state that “more people than you can even imagine love Halo 5’s gameplay!”, citing the fact that judging the opinion of the silent majority is difficult. The problem is that because judging the opinion of those players is so difficult, you cannot therefore say that it swings towards classic or ‘modern’, and so your point is moot because you can no-more confirm it than anyone else. - This point implies that old Halo fans would not return if a new game were made with the trilogy format, which we cannot know because it has not yet been attempted. It also implies that potential new fans to the series would inherently prefer the ‘modern style’, which again, we cannot know. Your experiences will likely differ, but 7 of the 9 people I’ve introduced to Halo prefer the trilogy format. Different strokes, I suppose. - Yes. I can continue to play the games I have been playing since 2003. As if minor technical improvements to legacy titles are in any way comparable to a new game with the classic design philosophy. - I don’t think anyone asking for a new title with classic gameplay is in it solely for ‘nostalgia’. - See my opening statement. - I wouldn’t call the current Halo fanbase ‘fine’. It has been decimated compared to its prime between Halo 3 and Reach, and what is left has been split into tribalistic camps that want things that are patently incompatible.
“I don’t know many…without Sprint or Smart Link (ads)” Subjectivity, again. Those in your circles might not want to play a game without Sprint or ADS; but those in mine are sick of standard FPS tropes and prefer games like the classic Halo’s and DOOM. Preference isn’t even what we’re debating in the first place.
Finally, to your point about content creators making Halo popular again; Ninja, the current most popular streamer on Twitch, prefers the classic gameplay: LinkI think you confused your opinions with an objective standpoint, but i get what you were trying to say. I hope that you understand the position from the other side a bit better now; we all want Halo Infinite to be the best it can be, so we can agree on that, at least.
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> 4. Some people only say that they want the classic Halo gameplay because of nostalgia! Listen… I know that you had your times with the old Halo ganes but a new classic Halo will not bring them back! Even with classic gameplay it would have a new felling and you will not like it! Trust me! I know!
How on earth would you know, did you go into the future and play the game? There are a lot of people (dare I say the majority) who would disagree with you on basically everything you said.
Heheh… it’ll be fine. I’m glad of the art direction, I too wonder if the gameplay will shift a bit, but I don’t mind that much. Wish I could comment more but I think I already have some strikes against me :q
Halo never even needed to evolve in the first place. Halo was already evolving before 343i came and -Yoinked- everything up. In Halo 2, Bungie added duel wielding and hyjacking and in Halo 3 Bungie added equipment. In Halo 4, 343i added perks and loadouts and Halo 5 introduced unlimited sprint and spartan abilities. With all these changes things only seemed to get worse. There is no evidence that Halo needs to change but there is evidence that it needs to stop changing. A split community, low sales, low population, and a dead social playlist. But no, some people still don’t care and want Halo to continue it’s downward path and ignore it. Sorry I care about my favorite game series’ success, I’m glad you’re happy with Halo 5’s low sales and low populations, I’m not! Clearly change is not helping Halo at all and for Halo to return to it’s former glory and make a big comeback, 343i needs to go back to the classic gameplay and make a true Halo game. More people want classic Halo, just go look on different forums and on YouTube, people are asking for a classic Halo game and 343i keeps ignoring them. People are so desperate for a classic Halo game that some modders made an illegal mod called Halo Online that got shut down by MS last month. It attracted so much attention and many people were streaming it and talking about. People are making fan games that have classic gameplay and they are getting more hype than 343i’s games. The Halo community is not doing fine, it’s been split and many players and fans are leaving the series, just look at the sales numbers of Halo 3 and Halo 5:
Halo 3: 14 million copies sold.
Halo 5: MS won’t release the sales numbers which is an indicater that Halo 5 didn’t do well. Estimates are 3 to 5 million copies sold.
That’s a large portion of the Halo community that has left Halo. For number 3, Halo 4 and Halo 5’s severs are still up so you can go play those if you like them so much.
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> Oh wow. I’m not gonna say what I really think since my next ban here will be permanent. Still while I agree that not all new movement mechanics should be removed, I think catering only to these “new fans” isn’t smart move by 343.
“I can’t say what I really think because my next ban will be permanent” that alone had me in -Yoinking!- tears lmao
To make Halo Infinite the best Halo ever: Keep the way H5 made all the guns “equal” remove clamber, spartan charge and ground pound. Add in H3 ranking system. Fix it so no boosting or rank locking is possible.
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> To make Halo Infinite the best Halo ever: Keep the way H5 made all the guns “equal” remove clamber, spartan charge and ground pound. Add in H3 ranking system. Fix it so no boosting or rank locking is possible.
They should also remove sprint and just put the base movement speed a little bit higher at like 110% of Halo 3’s speed.
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> > To make Halo Infinite the best Halo ever: Keep the way H5 made all the guns “equal” remove clamber, spartan charge and ground pound. Add in H3 ranking system. Fix it so no boosting or rank locking is possible.
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> They should also remove sprint and just put the base movement speed a little bit higher at like 110% of Halo 3’s speed.
Sprint is a touchy subject, I don’t like it myself but it’s most likely not going anywhere.
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> > > To make Halo Infinite the best Halo ever: Keep the way H5 made all the guns “equal” remove clamber, spartan charge and ground pound. Add in H3 ranking system. Fix it so no boosting or rank locking is possible.
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> > They should also remove sprint and just put the base movement speed a little bit higher at like 110% of Halo 3’s speed.
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> Sprint is a touchy subject, I don’t like it myself but it’s most likely not going anywhere.
What makes you think that? If most of the community is vocal about getting rid of sprint, 343i will probably get rid of it.
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> 4. Some people only say that they want the classic Halo gameplay because of nostalgia! Listen… I know that you had your times with the old Halo ganes but a new classic Halo will not bring them back! Even with classic gameplay it would have a new felling and you will not like it! Trust me! I know!
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> 6. Don’t forget the guys that they are about to come on Halo franchise! The current Halo fan base is fine! But of course we want more and more fans. But I don’t know many guys that would want to play a game without sprint or Smart Link (ads). Probably the 2 must things about the gameplay! Don’t forget the new people! And also the guys will review and stream or play Halo Infinite and would not be Halo fans! Halo needs a good name!
Yup, they’ve got to keep advanced movement to keep their current fan base and add into it. If they drop sprint it’ll hurt Halo and drop so many current fans.
