If Halo 4 fails...

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If Armor Abilities still aren’t balanced right, if the perks ruin the game, if the ranking system is broken, if the sandbox is unbalanced (BR), if we are still stuck playing on maps that are Grey and boring, if the base maps suck, if the MLG drops the game again, if everyone gets sick of the game after a few months and you see it at your local retailer on sale for $20 after a few months, can we all agree that maybe changing things for the sake of changing things DOESN’T WORK??

Can we agree that maybe some things in Halo 2-3 WORKED and DIDN’T NEED CHANGE?

Can we agree that while change is necessary, we should be making sure that the proposed changes FIT THE GAME?

Can we agree that we shouldn’t blindly worship everything 343 does BEFORE YOU PLAY THE GAME?

Can we agree that maybe you should think twice before shooting down someone’s constructive criticism of the game, as it MAY ACTUALLY FIX THINGS?

And yes, maybe the game will succeed, but from what I’ve seen so far, 343 has done nothing to ease my skepticisms from the first paragraph.

and I have $10 on the first reply being along the lines of "But Halo 4 won’t fail."EDIT: This is not a hate thread, this is not a complaint thread. This thread simply asks the question “If Halo 4 fails, will we learn from our mistakes?”

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give up dude ($10 please)

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> If Armor Abilities still aren’t balanced right, if the perks ruin the game, if the ranking system is broken, if the BR is incredibly underpowered, if we are still stuck playing on maps that are Grey and boring, if the base maps suck, if the MLG drops the game again, if everyone gets sick of the game after a few months and you see it at your local retailer on sale for $20 after a few months, can we all agree that maybe changing things for the sake of changing things DOESN’T WORK??
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> Can we agree that maybe some things in Halo 2-3 WORKED and DIDN’T NEED CHANGE?
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> Can we agree that while change is necessary, we should be making sure that the proposed changes FIT THE GAME?
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> Can we agree that we shouldn’t blindly worship everything 343 does BEFORE YOU PLAY THE GAME?
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> Can we agree that maybe you should think twice before shooting down someone’s constructive criticism of the game, as it MAY ACTUALLY FIX THINGS?
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> And yes, maybe the game will succeed, but from what I’ve seen so far, 343 has done nothing to ease my skepticisms from the first paragraph.
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> and I have $10 on the first reply being along the lines of “But Halo 4 won’t fail.”

[/spoiler]what if you stop being so biased? [spoiler]

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I have a problem good sir.

You said if the BR is underpowered. Why only the BR? Do you want a perfectly balanced sandbox? Or did you just pick out the BR because it is the most famous example? If you want a good balanced sandbox, you should really put: “If the sandbox is broken”

Anyway that’s enough of my rant.

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Yep if most of that is true then Halo 4 will fail. But nothing shown so far suggests it will be.
Also I’d like to point out though your comment on MLG is silly. They have nothing to do with the success of Halo or any game for that matter.

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> give up dude ($10 please)

lol, give him his money please.

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Have you not seen what’s in this amazing game? Forge has been so fixed and upgraded, MP is evolving for new and veteran gamers, and the campaign is upping the ante.

I only see one problem, doubters. I understand your reason to worry, but complaining about a game months before release is sad.

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> > If Armor Abilities still aren’t balanced right, if the perks ruin the game, if the ranking system is broken, if the BR is incredibly underpowered, if we are still stuck playing on maps that are Grey and boring, if the base maps suck, if the MLG drops the game again, if everyone gets sick of the game after a few months and you see it at your local retailer on sale for $20 after a few months, can we all agree that maybe changing things for the sake of changing things DOESN’T WORK??
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> > Can we agree that maybe some things in Halo 2-3 WORKED and DIDN’T NEED CHANGE?
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> > Can we agree that while change is necessary, we should be making sure that the proposed changes FIT THE GAME?
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> > Can we agree that we shouldn’t blindly worship everything 343 does BEFORE YOU PLAY THE GAME?
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> > Can we agree that maybe you should think twice before shooting down someone’s constructive criticism of the game, as it MAY ACTUALLY FIX THINGS?
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> > And yes, maybe the game will succeed, but from what I’ve seen so far, 343 has done nothing to ease my skepticisms from the first paragraph.
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> > and I have $10 on the first reply being along the lines of “But Halo 4 won’t fail.”
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> what if you stop being so biased?

What if my post was just acting as a “What if” scenario and wasn’t biased at all?

Oh wait it was
lrn2Spoiler

[/SPOILER]

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Glad to see we’re being optimistic.

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> > > If Armor Abilities still aren’t balanced right, if the perks ruin the game, if the ranking system is broken, if the BR is incredibly underpowered, if we are still stuck playing on maps that are Grey and boring, if the base maps suck, if the MLG drops the game again, if everyone gets sick of the game after a few months and you see it at your local retailer on sale for $20 after a few months, can we all agree that maybe changing things for the sake of changing things DOESN’T WORK??
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> > > Can we agree that maybe some things in Halo 2-3 WORKED and DIDN’T NEED CHANGE?
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> > > Can we agree that while change is necessary, we should be making sure that the proposed changes FIT THE GAME?
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> > > Can we agree that we shouldn’t blindly worship everything 343 does BEFORE YOU PLAY THE GAME?
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> > > Can we agree that maybe you should think twice before shooting down someone’s constructive criticism of the game, as it MAY ACTUALLY FIX THINGS?
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> > > And yes, maybe the game will succeed, but from what I’ve seen so far, 343 has done nothing to ease my skepticisms from the first paragraph.
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> > > and I have $10 on the first reply being along the lines of “But Halo 4 won’t fail.”
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> > what if you stop being so biased?
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> What if my post was just acting as a “What if” scenario and wasn’t biased at all?
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> Oh wait it was
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A spoiler in a spoiler? But…isn’t that how you create another dimmension?

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> > > If Armor Abilities still aren’t balanced right, if the perks ruin the game, if the ranking system is broken, if the BR is incredibly underpowered, if we are still stuck playing on maps that are Grey and boring, if the base maps suck, if the MLG drops the game again, if everyone gets sick of the game after a few months and you see it at your local retailer on sale for $20 after a few months, can we all agree that maybe changing things for the sake of changing things DOESN’T WORK??
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> > > Can we agree that maybe some things in Halo 2-3 WORKED and DIDN’T NEED CHANGE?
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> > > Can we agree that while change is necessary, we should be making sure that the proposed changes FIT THE GAME?
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> > > Can we agree that we shouldn’t blindly worship everything 343 does BEFORE YOU PLAY THE GAME?
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> > > Can we agree that maybe you should think twice before shooting down someone’s constructive criticism of the game, as it MAY ACTUALLY FIX THINGS?
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> > > And yes, maybe the game will succeed, but from what I’ve seen so far, 343 has done nothing to ease my skepticisms from the first paragraph.
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> > > and I have $10 on the first reply being along the lines of “But Halo 4 won’t fail.”
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> > what if you stop being so biased?
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> What if my post was just acting as a “What if” scenario and wasn’t biased at all?
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> Oh wait it was
> lrn2Spoiler
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Still biased

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> > give up dude ($10 please)
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> lol, give him his money please.

im gonna use it to pay off my copy of halo 4 limited edition

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> > > > If Armor Abilities still aren’t balanced right, if the perks ruin the game, if the ranking system is broken, if the BR is incredibly underpowered, if we are still stuck playing on maps that are Grey and boring, if the base maps suck, if the MLG drops the game again, if everyone gets sick of the game after a few months and you see it at your local retailer on sale for $20 after a few months, can we all agree that maybe changing things for the sake of changing things DOESN’T WORK??
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> > > > Can we agree that maybe some things in Halo 2-3 WORKED and DIDN’T NEED CHANGE?
> > > >
> > > > Can we agree that while change is necessary, we should be making sure that the proposed changes FIT THE GAME?
> > > >
> > > > Can we agree that we shouldn’t blindly worship everything 343 does BEFORE YOU PLAY THE GAME?
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> > > > Can we agree that maybe you should think twice before shooting down someone’s constructive criticism of the game, as it MAY ACTUALLY FIX THINGS?
> > > > yes it is And yes, maybe the game will succeed, but from what I’ve seen so far, 343 has done nothing to ease my skepticisms from the first paragraph.
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> > > > and I have $10 on the first reply being along the lines of “But Halo 4 won’t fail.”
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> > > what if you stop being so biased?
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> > What if my post was just acting as a “What if” scenario and wasn’t biased at all?
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> > Oh wait it was
> > lrn2Spoiler
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> > [/SPOILER]
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> A spoiler in a spoiler? But…isn’t that how you create another dimmension?

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> If Armor Abilities still aren’t balanced right, if the perks ruin the game, if the ranking system is broken, if the BR is incredibly underpowered, if we are still stuck playing on maps that are Grey and boring, if the base maps suck, if the MLG drops the game again, if everyone gets sick of the game after a few months and you see it at your local retailer on sale for $20 after a few months, can we all agree that maybe changing things for the sake of changing things DOESN’T WORK??
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> Can we agree that maybe some things in Halo 2-3 WORKED and DIDN’T NEED CHANGE?
>
> Can we agree that while change is necessary, we should be making sure that the proposed changes FIT THE GAME?
>
> Can we agree that we shouldn’t blindly worship everything 343 does BEFORE YOU PLAY THE GAME?
>
> Can we agree that maybe you should think twice before shooting down someone’s constructive criticism of the game, as it MAY ACTUALLY FIX THINGS?
>
>
>
> And yes, maybe the game will succeed, but from what I’ve seen so far, 343 has done nothing to ease my skepticisms from the first paragraph.
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> and I have $10 on the first reply being along the lines of “But Halo 4 won’t fail.”

The thing is, they aren’t changing things for the sake of change. They are changing things for the sake of survival. FPS and the gaming market is evolving, moving forward. If Halo doesn’t evolve and move with it, it will be left behind. Instead of leaving Halo a death after Reach, 343i took the reigns and are moving it forward.

Yes, some things worked. Yes, somethings didn’t need to change, if this wasn’t 2012. The gaming market is changing, the original Halo likely would have ended up very different if it was released today. Arena, Halo’s original, isn’t the main focus today.

How aren’t the changes fitting the new Halo? There is a canonical background for everything, and it looks like 343i is putting a Halo feel on everything quite nicely. Thats just my opinion, but I’m pretty sure we can all agree on something along those lines.

We can all agree that blind worshipping is bad. We can also agree that blind hating and bashing is bad, can we not? From ehat I’ve seen, there isn’t much blind worshipping going on. You are, however, seeing a lot of excitement from the new announcnements. Deep-down, everyone has concerns.

Shooting down constructive critisism is bad, yes. Shooting down blind hates and rages, however, can be good for the community.

343i has done nothing to sway your concerns? While I can’t convince you to love Halo 4, I must urge you to take a closer look at some of the improvements. Above all, save final judgement for the final product.

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> Have you not seen what’s in this amazing game?

I have seen this amazing game. But I think that you may be slightly mistaken on some whether or not this game will meet your expectations.

> Forge has been so fixed and upgraded,

Its a good thing they fixed the #1 overall problem with it, the “Greyness”.

Oh wait, they didn’t.

> MP is evolving for new and veteran gamers,

You can’t be serious.

> and the campaign is upping the ante.

I’ll give you that one, I am looking forward to Campaign/Spartan Ops.

> I only see one problem, doubters. I understand your reason to worry, but complaining about a game months before release is sad.

Oh yeah this forum wasn’t built upon the idea of Halo fans giving constructive criticism for the betterment of the game and to make it more fun for everyone right?

Oh wait, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS FORUM IS FOR.

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> If Armor Abilities still aren’t balanced right, if the perks ruin the game, if the ranking system is broken, if the BR is incredibly underpowered, if we are still stuck playing on maps that are Grey and boring, if the base maps suck, if the MLG drops the game again, if everyone gets sick of the game after a few months and you see it at your local retailer on sale for $20 after a few months, can we all agree that maybe changing things for the sake of changing things DOESN’T WORK??
>
> Can we agree that maybe some things in Halo 2-3 WORKED and DIDN’T NEED CHANGE?
>
> Can we agree that while change is necessary, we should be making sure that the proposed changes FIT THE GAME?
>
> Can we agree that we shouldn’t blindly worship everything 343 does BEFORE YOU PLAY THE GAME?
>
> Can we agree that maybe you should think twice before shooting down someone’s constructive criticism of the game, as it MAY ACTUALLY FIX THINGS?
>
>
>
> And yes, maybe the game will succeed, but from what I’ve seen so far, 343 has done nothing to ease my skepticisms from the first paragraph.
>
> and I have $10 on the first reply being along the lines of “But Halo 4 won’t fail.”

Here’s how it works, games have to evolve to stay relevant. Developers have to look at current trends and decide how to implement them into their game without seeming like a carbon copy. This is game development. If we would have gotten 2 more iterations of Halo 2 rather than 3 and Reach in terms of gameplay, Halo would be becoming Call of Duty right now, and becoming stale and the same wreck recycled over and over.

Who cares about MLG? I don’t, they don’t have any bearing if I enjoy the game or not. Forge World was a technical achievement for Reach. Yea, the maps ended up being all the same color out of it, but when they were building such an astounding level for us to do whatever we want in it, I think the last thing that they were worried about was making sure every user created map had different colors.

All the changes coming to 4 fit within what Halo is. Loadouts in Reach were a logical beginning point, and now 4 just expands on it.

Armor abilities will undoubtedly be under and over powered at launch but that’s because they can’t possibly test every possible situation that the millions of users at launch will experience. With that in mind, armor abilities will forever be a work in progress.

I’m going to be critical of your “constructive” comment because it has yet to propose anything that helps evolve the game and make Halo 4 the definitive shooter to have this fall. You’re so busy being stuck in nostalgia you’re going to miss out on all the fun we’re having.

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As long as they can give me a solid campaign experience, they’ll have my solid support.

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> > > give up dude ($10 please)
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> > lol, give him his money please.
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> im gonna use it to pay off my copy of halo 4 limited edition

lol good cause

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Hmm…sounds like someone probably just got handled in Reach, and came here to complain and rage. I’ve seen this kind of thing before. Theres no known antidote.

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really they didnt fix the greyness we saw what 5,6 piecess at the most and that was not the biggest problem with forge accidental deleting (fixed) not being able to duplicate (fixed) and not being able to snap aka magnetize pices (fixed) were the biggest problems with forge