It is a fact that since Halo Reach Halo’s popularity has been in a steady decline, which hit an almost unbelievably low point during H4 when it fell out of the XBL activity charts’ top 10.
Why this is happening is debatable. So far 343 has targeted many mechanics for removal and alteration(bloom, AAs, perks, loudouts, ordinance etc etc) but has stayed in steadfast support of sprint.
If H5 MP falters like Reah and H4 did,d o you think 343 will take a real look a removing sprint?
If the population goes down then it’s because of other games out at the time like cod not a simple gameplay mechanic.
Just like aidXcommando said…it’s because of ofter games… since some time there are many games out which are quit epic and as good or even better then Halo and give us more content just killing us 4vs4 or 8vs8 on big and small maps.
Just like GTA 5, Arkham series, The Last of Us, and so on.
I was also quit some time away from the Xbox and had my PS3 & 4 years and play a lot on them
Game’s population falls (again)
343 apologies (again)
Halo 6 announced with promises to bring the competitive aspect back (again)
The BETA launches with shiny new stuff (again)
People buy it and the hype eventually wears off (again)
And so on.
It’s because bullet magnetism makes the game too easy, that’s all. People get bored, what are you gonna do?
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> If the population goes down then it’s because of other games out at the time like cod not a simple gameplay mechanic.
Like how Halo 3’s population fell when MW2, WaW, BFBC2, GoW 2, GoW3, launched?
Here’s what’s gonna happen, halo 5 will launch. It will have a decent population of a few hundred thousand, for as long as the next call of duty or battlefront launches. Then the population will plummet and everyone will blame it on smart scope or something, and not the competition.
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That was when Halo was the big thing, and gow 3 launched in 2011, call of duty didn’t become super popular until MW2 (which launched in 2009 and did cause a population drop that halo hasn’t recovered from) and BFBC2? battlefield wasn’t popular on consoles until battlefield 3.
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I challenge you to link as many Major Nelson Top 10 XBL charts since H3’s release. Or at the very least… Just Google them all yourself. You will find that Halo3 did not maintain a constant #1 spot.
It was when MW2 released that things became drastically clear.
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So, you’re telling that all those games hadn’t managed to come up with a decent competition for Halo 3? Halo 3 was able to hold a decent population until 2010, and even managed to stay on XBL’s top 3 games up until Reach’s release.
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CoD was quite popular by the time CoD 4 and WaW came out.
I voted to keep sprint, thinking of the occasional BtB and 343’s preference for boring horizontal maps until I realized that’s actually the reason behind the maps, how much it screws up the spawn system and makes engagements against anyone good a total -Yoink!- to deal with. Feel like an idiot. Beta’s fun but derivative. I know the forum communities were vocal as hell about it. Now I realize what made halo compete with cod back in the day. And why something felt off ever since reach. No more strafing? Now they just hide; it’s boring and stupid. I really expect a lot of used game sales for 5. Poor attention paid to stochastic weights in their marketing dept. Will take them years and bankruptcy to notice what they had before this became an identical, boring ip.
I’m not sure if 343i can afford to fail again. Not on an entirely different generation of consoles.
343i have to make it clear that they can create a decent Halo game for this franchise to survive long.
If H5 falls its because the community is dead. cant have a thriving population if you’ve no community. #MAG
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> If H5 falls its because the community is dead. cant have a thriving population if you’ve no community. #MAG
The community will always be split. The “true halo fans” will come up and say that anyone who disagrees with them are children who never experienced “the real halos.” Regardless of their opinions, age and play history of the past halos, they’ll always be children in their eyes. Then the people who just want the halo franchise to continue will bicker with the other halo fans. It’ll never be unified. It’s funny that we claim call of duty fans are immature but the halo community is the most childish community out there.
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On PC. Halo was the undisputed king of console shooters when both H3 and MW dropped in 2007. Then everything changed.
Some of it has to do with the quality of Reach MP and H4 MP vs the original trilogy, but that’s really only a small part of why those games had lower populations and H4 especially could not maintain a thriving community very long. Mistakes like Armor Lock, Bloom, Ordance Drops, Promethean Vision, etc were made, but the much more likely reason is just the demographics of the Halo population.
Many of us here grew up with CE & 2, and Halo 3 dropped when we were in high school or early college. It was basically the peak time in our lives to play video games. By time H4 came out 5 years later, many had grown up, graduated, started careers, and stopped playing video games altogether, or at least certainly couldn’t devote the same time to them as we used to during H2-H3 days.
In the mean time, 100 versions of COD came out between H3-H4 and it became the de facto console shooter of choice for a new generation of gamers, in large part because it is just so damn easy to pick up and play. Even if they picked up Halo 4, I’m sure many new players found it a more frustrating experience that was very different than their game of choice but oddly similar thanks to the stupid loadouts and perks. The H4 campaign story was also more complex and difficult to digest for new fans to the series. They didn’t grow up with Chief/Cortana and they didn’t care about Halo like we did, so with so many of the original fans aged out of video games and nothing particularly great about H4 except the graphics and story for those who cared, of course the population wasn’t what it once was.
This is why they did MCC. It was fan service to us old heads, sure, but it was also a chance to introduce a new generation of Halo players who grew up from 2007-2015 on a steady diet of COD and Gears to the original trilogy and what made Halo so special. You need look no further than the MCC bundle just announced today for more confirmation of this.
It is absolutely disastrous that MCC’s technical woes prevented so many from getting that proper experience that could have brought them on board for H5. I definitely think 343i needs to do a Big Team Beta closer to launch in order to regain a lot of the momentum H5:G lost due to MCC’s problems. Given that HCS was a success and MCC is now mostly fixed, and we’re 6-8 months from launch, there’s definitely hope. But Halo 5 needs to be s great game and new players need to be willing to give it a chance.
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This assumption is based upon what?
Older Halo games had no problem staying above games like Madden. Are you implying that Madden’s quality has increased by such a massive magnitude that it now overshadows Halo?
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Yes but Halo is not only falling behind the big heavy hitters in the FPS genre. It’s at the point where it is falling behind EVERYTHING.
Are you saying it is not possible in any way that Halo’s drop in popularity is because of itself? Do you not see how you are coming off as an apologist who is not in firm gripes with reality?
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When MW2 launches H3 settled into 2nd.
H4 could not stay in the TOP 10. H4 was behind FOUR COD games with MW2(a 5 year old game with 4 franchise sequels released) not far behind.
Maybe launch it in September to build a population? Honestly, people who solely blame sprint for causing Halo 4 to tank are neglecting a million other variables that caused the drop, one of them being launched too closely to BO2, the sequel to one of 2010’s biggest hits.
In fact, watch this video to get an even better understanding on why H4 failed.