If an ODST became a Spartan-IV...

We know very little about individual Spartan-IV’s, other than Fireteam Majestic and Palmer.

I am currently writing a fan fiction where an ODST gets the chance to become a Spartan-IV, and lands a spot on an elite Fireteam aboard the UNSC Infinity.

My question is, what do you guys think would happen if an ODST became a Spartan-IV? What would he specialize in? How would he act? How would he feel about leaving the ODST-past behind him? What armor set do you think he would wear?

Honestly, I’d like to know what happens to Buck and his group of ODST’s after the events of Halo 3: ODST. IMO, it looks to me as if some of them (especially Buck) have the potential to become an incredible SPARTAN-IV. The Reach description of Buck even mentioned something like, “Truly, if he was any better he’d be a Spartan”.

I’d wager a good number of S-IV’s are ex ODST’s.

The S-IVs are, according to lore, entirely volunteers BUT they have to be qualified to enter the program.

The ODST’s probably contain the highest percentage of those that can qualify for the S-IV program to boot.

However, the ODST’s hated the Spartans. taking them to be some freak glory hogs, I imagine a good number of ODST’s, even those that qualify for the S-IV program would be extremely reluctant to join

If you listen to the Spartan-IVs in Campaign you will often here them say they were former ODSTs and a lot of them served in the War before they became Spartans.

In my opinion the ODSTs would wear the armor that specializes in their field of work, for example Mickey and maybe Dutch would probably wear EOD armor, Romeo would wear Rogue or even Tracker, Buck would most likely wear commando or recruit, and Rookie of course Recruit.

> However, the ODST’s hated the Spartans. taking them to be some freak glory hogs, I imagine a good number of ODST’s, even those that qualify for the S-IV program would be extremely reluctant to join

Passing up all the advantages of being a Spartan because of an imagined rivalry… it’s sad this is a realistic possibility.

OT: Alot of Spartan- IVs were ODST. I can’t say how your character would feel about this stuff, what he’d wear, etc., it all depends on what he’s like.

Would he see joining the Spartans as a betrayal to ODST, or as a logical and smart opportunity to take that will allow him to better protect and serve. Or a combination of both; the latter is true, but he still feels like he’s abandoned his roots? Perhaps he’d wear the armor that best reminds him off his past in such case. Or he doesn’t feel like it’s a betrayal and wears a totally different kind to symbolize his evolution into a new person. Maybe he hated ODST for whatever reason and wants to distance himself from it by becoming a new person. The list is endless.

> If you listen to the Spartan-IVs in Campaign you will often here them say they were former ODSTs and a lot of them served in the War before they became Spartans.

Woah when was this?!

> > If you listen to the Spartan-IVs in Campaign you will often here them say they were former ODSTs and a lot of them served in the War before they became Spartans.
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> Woah when was this?!

Anytime you get the chance to see them really. Just walk up to them and stare at them, they will eventually say things. They mention past battles during the Covenant War and they will occasionally reference Fred, Kelly and Linda. The best place I found to do it is just before you take the Mantis on Infinity. If you stay in the hanger with the Spartans you can walk up to them and hear them. You can also do it at the beginning of Shutdown before leaving in the Pelican, but I find it more difficult to hear them because the announcer keeps loudly interrupting.

> We know very little about individual Spartan-IV’s, other than Fireteam Majestic and Palmer.
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> I am currently writing a fan fiction where an ODST gets the chance to become a Spartan-IV, and lands a spot on an elite Fireteam aboard the UNSC Infinity.
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> My question is, what do you guys think would happen if an ODST became a Spartan-IV? What would he specialize in? How would he act? How would he feel about leaving the ODST-past behind him? What armor set do you think he would wear?
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> Honestly, I’d like to know what happens to Buck and his group of ODST’s after the events of Halo 3: ODST. IMO, it looks to me as if some of them (especially Buck) have the potential to become an incredible SPARTAN-IV. The Reach description of Buck even mentioned something like, “Truly, if he was any better he’d be a Spartan”.

What would he specialise in? Whatever he/ she specialised in before really. Although these skills may be enhanced even further because of the augmentations and mjolnir e.g. Heavy weapopns guys would be able to move faster, snipers would probably be better as they’d have improved senses such as eyesight and hearing and quicker reaction times, allowing them to find a target and dispatch them before moving to a new one even faster.

How would he act? This is a tricky one. Keep the character loyal to the past representation of him that you’ve given to the reader. His personality would probably be the same although they may be SLIGHTLY cockier due to their new Spartan status/ augmented body/ better equipment. If you do make them slightly cockier, have them lose that cockiness over time as they realise they aren’t invincible and that Spartans do die. Psychological research has been conducted into the attire people wear and their personalities. Some people may change their attitudes when wearing certain outfits to fit the social conventions of people that wear that outfit. E.g. your ODST may adopt the stoic, silent, emotionally detached, driven by the mission personality of a Spartan when wearing the armour. The character may also have trouble transferring to his new body as he still has to live a life OUTSIDE the military unlike the Spartan IIs and IIIs. Clothes won’t fit him, he’ll stand out from the crowd and overall he’ll see himself as someone that doesn’t fit in. Just a military weapon.

I imagine Buck’s squad have all become Spartan IVs. Buck certainly would have “If he was any better, he’d be a Spartan” - Direct quote from either the game, or his description, can’t remember which.

Buck needs to make an appearance as a Spartan IV.

Not just a quick little cameo like he did in Reach either. I’m talking a full cinematic and everything.

I’ve discussed this with MANY people and they all agree.

Well buck wouldn’t seeing as he is 40 years old and tired of fighting.

There are a lot of variables behind this idea of ODSTs becoming Spartans, and as much as I hate to admit it, some of the old rivalry would likely be in place restricting some from wanting to make the change. This cuts both ways however, as personnel in the ODST program are still needed for their specific role type.

I for one, would absolutely hate to see classic characters like Buck’s squad or Bullfrog Platoon become Spartan IVs for the sake of character. Buck, Mickey, Dutch, Romey and the Rookie were all perfect character types in their short appearance into the Halo Universe, and part of their charm came from the fact that they were regular trained humans capable of fighting a war against impossible odds. To give them Spartan status might be cool in shortsight, but in the longrun it’s likely going to make them uniniteresting as the focus of Halo has been heavy on the Spartan POV already. Seeing things from a regular enlistee perspective would be a nice change of pace from time to time, and remind players of the challenge humanity has to face.

It concerns me that ODSTs weren’t even mentioned in Halo 4, aside from Master Chief’s speculation-worthy reference to Force Recon in Mission 5. Rumors have risen that ODSTs have been entirely disbanded since the dawn of the Spartan IV program, which I hope is not the case because this would be a very foolish act on the part of those handling Halo’s fiction.

We have Navy SEALs; that doesn’t mean we’re getting rid of Air Force Pararescue. We have Army Rangers; Marine Force Recon or Delta Force. Why? Because, while similar, they still have different roles in the field. In addition, Spartan augmentation still costs money, and as far as I’ve heard the Infinity only has somewhere around one thousand Spartans. Over the years of the UNSC, I’m sure it’s safe to assume that the number of ODSTs and Marines vastly outnumber those of Spartan operators.

Quality of Quantity can be argued, but Quantity still makes the difference on a larger scale. Spartans, as far as we’ve seen, are Infinity-exclusive, and with Earth’s many colonies a larger security force is needed to keep them safe, this includes a Quick Reaction Force (QRF), a role best suited by ODSTs with their orbital deployment capabilities.

Psychologically, I can’t see a number of ODSTs taking the change lightly. Where some might fit in, others might recognize this decision as literally life-changing to a point where they can’t go back. Others might fit right in, and might even–as seen with the case of Fireteam Majestic–become self-absorbed in their new position of battlefield power. While the hatred for the SIIs was partially misplaced (partially because John 117 did kill a few Troopers on Naval orders, which was sure to leave a bad taste) and even revealed to be such with potential declassification, the Spartan IVs would likely receive similar judgment based on volunteer candidacy and the likelihood of cases akin to Spartans DeMarco and Madson.

People have a right to be cocky now and then, but having worked in many environments, hostile and otherwise, overconfidence can be the downfall for some.

Long thesis aside, if an ODST became a Spartan, I would have to say good for him or her. They’ve earned it. I only hope their decision wasn’t hastily made or half-thought. I only hope it’s what they really wanted.

If Buck was a Spartan, I’d freak. And I’m a straight man.
OT: I think an ODST would make a decent Spartan. They’d be a little cocky but would still be great fighters. Drop a link when you finished it, Oompa.

> If Buck was a Spartan, I’d freak. And I’m a straight man.
> OT: I think an ODST would make a decent Spartan. They’d be a little cocky but would still be great fighters. Drop a link when you finished it, Oompa.

I’d be glad to! :wink:

A few details I’d like to share about my fan fic are;

  1. He is a former Marine and ODST General who has accepted the offer to join the SPARTAN-IV’s. He is a lot like Obi-Wan Kenobi and wears the “Warrior” armor set.

  2. Born on Reach, but attended school at Corbulo Academy of Military Science roughly the same time Lasky attended, but left the Corbulo Academy years before the Covenant attack.

  3. Worked with ONI and starts to question what he is really fighting for. He also recognizes that SPARTAN-IV’s aren’t all what they are thought to be.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the entire ODST program was rolled into S-IV.

> Buck needs to make an appearance as a Spartan IV.
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> Not just a quick little cameo like he did in Reach either. I’m talking a full cinematic and everything.
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> I’ve discussed this with MANY people and they all agree.

Hell, bring the whole team back.

Another chance for Nathan Fillion, Adam Baldwin, Alan Tudyk, and Tricia Helfer to grace Halo?

Words wouldn’t be able to describe how happy I’d be.

What I find a little interesting about this is the fact that there is a canon Mjolnir variant of ODST armor. So ODSTs transferring into the Spartan-4 program, in theory, wouldn’t find it that hard to integrate. They could wear that armor as a symbol of what they used to be. A compromise between the conventional connotations of ODSTs and Spartans, so to speak.

> I wouldn’t be surprised if the entire ODST program was rolled into S-IV.

I can see my thesis was very well noted.

S-IVs are jokes compared to Spartans…

> S-IVs are jokes compared to Spartans…

Which Spartans? IIs or IIIs? I remember when the IIIs made their first appearance in Ghosts of Onyx and everyone talked about how crappy they were compared to the IIs. Now all the hate is towards the IVs. I guess the hate just transfers to each new generation that comes out.

many spartan IVs are used to be ODSTs e.g de marco and hoya