If 343 doesn't change directions with Halo 4...

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(Before I get started with my rant, let’s be clear about one thing. I. Hate. CoD. Imo, it is very much responsible for the pathetic state the gaming industry is in today. Again, that’s my opinion, just throwing it out there, so no one tries to devalue my argument by saying that I’m bias. If you say “OP is just a CoD hater” I’ll say “you’re damn right I am”.)

If 343 doesn’t change directions with Halo 4, it will be the final nail in the coffin for the franchise.

Something it seems like 343 doesn’t understand about Halo (and Bungie didn’t understand about Reach) is that people like Halo because it’s Halo. Not Cod, not Battlefield, not killzone, not counterstrike, it’s HALO!

From what I’ve seen so far, Halo 4 looks utterly ridiculous.

Frankie says “ohh Halo 4 isn’t a CoD ripoff”. But the fact that he has to make transparent excuses like that just shows complete denial. When I first saw the BR, I honestly thought that I was looking at some -Yoink- CoD gun. Halo 4 looks so much like CoD that even the team scoring counters in the bottom right hand corner looks like Modern Warfare.

If people want to play Call of Duty, let them play it. If people want to play Minecraft, let them play it. If people want to play Battlefield, let the play it. If people want to play Halo, for the love of God, let them play it!

Halo 4’s current state looks absolutely pathetic and un-original. (Btw 343, the medals are on the wrong side of the hud. Just thought I’d let you guys know…)

Quite frankly, this game seems more catered to bad players than anything I’ve ever seen. If 343 is trying to reach an all time low for how God -Yoinking!- awful a game can get, they certainly seem to be succeeding.

If the game shows no chance of improving, You will not see me playing it. Why would I pay good money for a game that shows no promise, looks boring as hell, and seems to play as bad as it looks.

It’s not too late to change Halo’s direction, and I certainly hope 343 heeds the community’s warning.

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343 is a business, and unfortunately CoD is the current profit model. I’m sure there’s going to be a classic playlist. However, I think that I want to give the new playstyle a try. I like choosing my combat role in games and can’t wait to outfit my Spartan to reflect this.

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343 isn’t going to change direction of a major project like Halo 4 this far into the projects life, sorry.

Learn to adapt to how they changed. We only saw a small glimpse and I’m sure we will see much more in the future. Everything will be fine, don’t worry. :slight_smile:

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Halo 4 can copy Call of Duty’s multiplayer to the letter, as far as I’m concerned (though I hope it doesn’t). The difference is that Halo’s campaign will always be better than Call of Duty’s campaign, and that’s why I think it’s a better game.

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Aside from the ‘perk’ idea (which ill admit I dont like the sounds of either) we have no reason to believe this game will be anything like cod. So far weve seen a grand total of 15 seconds of gameplay footage. So sit down and quit being an annoying little -Yoink-. There have been 50 threads like this made in the last hour. I mean for christs sake they removed bloom and brought back the BR. Shouldnt you be a little happy about that?

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Buy it, or change. As simple as that. It still looks like halo to me, and Reach didn’t ring Cod in my ears either.

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http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1270948/halo_4_perks_were_not_copying_call_of_duty_343.html

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> If 343 doesn’t change directions with Halo 4, it will be the final nail in the coffin for the franchise.

Oh -Yoink-. The Drama Lama is loose. Someone call Steve Irwin.

> it’s HALO!

What makes Halo, Halo?

> If 343 is trying to reach an all time low for how God -Yoinking!- awful a game can get, they certainly seem to be succeeding.

Please. If you want to see bad games go to Metacritic and plug any number of the red score games in and play them.

> If the game shows no chance of improving, You will not see me playing it.

Actually, that sounds fantastic.

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When master chief went from a child to a spartan, he adapted. When his enemy’s changed from split chin monsters to flood, he adapted. When he found himself without cortana, he did his best to adapt. And when he was frozen in space, to come into a new fight with new enemy’s he will adapt again.

When a Halo game changes, but they put effort into making it better. A true Halo fan should adapt or accept it as a change that was inevitable, and to be expected in Any franchise.

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I’m just hoping that in H5 we will be able to play Am. Football or Soccer in MM. Or have a proper CoD section. Let’s have some Gears incorporated in there as well. It’s all fine and dandy as long as we don’t have to actually play Halo, where you start of equal and with no advantages over each other, besides those you have to earn in-game and in every game.

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What ever pisses of the MLG crowd I will endorse. Also Halo is evolving and with that things change with adding new features and or changing existing ones. Let Halo 4 be the start of A NEW series and do not compare it to the older games. You should still be able to play classic game modes in the many playlists or older games. A new game deserves to be judged on how it plays rather than its name association.

My whole point is people are judgeing a game before it is out and comparing it to a series that has ended. Halo 4 is the start of a NEW series in the Halo universe. The game WILL be different and that is not a bad thing. If I wanted the same game I would have stopped buying Halo games after Halo CE. I still play Halo CE regularly but I do NOT want every Halo game to be a carbon copy of it in fact I want all the Halo games to be different. I want the universe to expand and change not remain still and to spoil by becoming stagnant.

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New to the forums I see? You must of had the urge to just let out all your anger assuming Halo 4 will play exactly like CoD. We haven’t even seen how these perks and loadouts will play out in the game.

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So any info on Bungie’s new game?

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> (Before I get started with my rant, let’s be clear about one thing. I. Hate. CoD. Imo, it is very much responsible for the pathetic state the gaming industry is in today. Again, that’s my opinion, just throwing it out there, so no one tries to devalue my argument by saying that I’m bias. If you say “OP is just a CoD hater” I’ll say “you’re damn right I am”.)
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> If 343 doesn’t change directions with Halo 4, it will be the final nail in the coffin for the franchise.
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> Something it seems like 343 doesn’t understand about Halo (and Bungie didn’t understand about Reach) is that people like Halo because it’s Halo. Not Cod, not Battlefield, not killzone, not counterstrike, it’s HALO!

And Halo at its core is and FPS and all FPS build upon each other and always had with out the first halo COD and any other most likely would not be what they are today. They fact is that Halo has to Evolve to survive want to play halo 1 2 3 Go play them you don’t like the direction fine but you don’t even know there going to implement these new mechanics.

> From what I’ve seen so far, Halo 4 looks utterly ridiculous.

Really you think it look ridiculous even thought they didn’t even show any of the thing you have an issue with this make know since what so ever.

> Frankie says “ohh Halo 4 isn’t a CoD ripoff”. But the fact that he has to make transparent excuses like that just shows complete denial. When I first saw the BR, I honestly thought that I was looking at some Yoink! CoD gun. Halo 4 looks so much like CoD that even the team scoring counters in the bottom right hand corner looks like Modern Warfare.

He is not making an excuse he telling people that there not just copy and pasting these new thing exactly like COD but evolving them into halo and create and even better FPS experience. And i don’t see how he could be in Denial, or how you could even possibly now that he would be in denial, you have absolutely no idea how these new things will work. Really you get a COD vibe from the gun really? its and FPS and it look totally halo, In-fact if anything the weapons in previous halo game look more like modern weapons the new BR look more futuristic yet functional.

As for team score counters THAT HAS BEEN IN HALO since Halo CE it a game design that use in pretty much all FPS’s only ones who was different was halo reach this is going back to Halo CE, 2, and 3 look.

> If people want to play Call of Duty, let them play it. If people want to play Minecraft, let them play it. If people want to play Battlefield, let the play it. If people want to play Halo, for the love of God, let them play it!

It will not be anything like COD it is a different game and always will be it is just Evolving along with all other FPS out there just like they have always change from past iterations.

> Halo 4’s current state looks absolutely pathetic and un-original. (Btw 343, the medals are on the wrong side of the hud. Just thought I’d let you guys know…)

Seriously pretty much all modern FPS were born from halo so you evolve along with the rest i something that has to happen. “Un-original” they’re developing new game types, Implementing all these new thing in different and new ways that Unoriginal?

> Quite frankly, this game seems more catered to bad players than anything I’ve ever seen. If 343 is trying to reach an all time low for how God -Yoinking!- awful a game can get, they certainly seem to be succeeding.

I seriously don see it that way and even MLG player are excited. And you haven’t even played the game yet let alone actually seen anything worth actually judging the final game, and seeing as it in Alpha stage i think it look Bloody Amazing.

> If the game shows no chance of improving, You will not see me playing it. Why would I pay good money for a game that shows no promise, looks boring as hell, and seems to play as bad as it looks.

They have been working very hard to balance this game to make it one of the BEST FPS’s out there. And you Think it LOOKS bad really Graphically it looks Amazing gameplay Wise look fast paced and like halo has always been.

> It’s not too late to change Halo’s direction, and I certainly hope 343 heeds the community’s warning.

You are by NO MEANS the voice for the community, and i hope for the sake of halo they don’t play it safe for once and MAKE THE BEST DURN HALO AND FPS possible.

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A lot of things in that trailer concerned me as well, but since the glimpses they gave us were so short and incomplete, I think we’ll just have to reserve our judgements for later.

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Then don’t buy it. Simple as that.

As for me, I’m optimistic about change. Even if perks ruin mp, I’m getting Halo 4 for the campaign.

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> Aside from the ‘perk’ idea (which ill admit I dont like the sounds of either) we have no reason to believe this game will be anything like cod. So far weve seen a grand total of 15 seconds of gameplay footage. So sit down and quit being an annoying little Yoink!. There have been 50 threads like this made in the last hour. I mean for christs sake they removed bloom and brought back the BR. Shouldnt you be a little happy about that?

Exactly they think that by bringing in the BR and no bloom they can say “are we cool now guys?” I can’t enjoy the BR with sprint and loudouts messing up the game.

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> 343 isn’t going to change direction of a major project like Halo 4 this far into the projects life, sorry.
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> Learn to adapt to how they changed. We only saw a small glimpse and I’m sure we will see much more in the future. Everything will be fine, don’t worry. :slight_smile:

See, this is what I don’t get.

We pay for their games, that money goes to Microsoft, which in turn goes to the respective companies involved in the making of said game, which in turn goes to the employees of those companies to pay for food, water, warmth and the rest.

Now think about it like this…what if, NONE of us…NONE of us liked what we saw today and we all swore we would never buy it unless 343 changed things. Do you think change would happen? I bloody well think so.

I’m over the moon that we have new information, but I’m getting that same feeling I got with Reach and that worries me. When I got Reach in the post I was excited as hell to put that thing in my console and play it. So I did…it was awesome!

For the first few days…after the excitement wore off I saw what Reach was. I was excited as hell this morning, I looked at the screenshots and loved the look of things, then I saw gameplay, followed by Sprint, obvious return of armor abilities. Then I saw Perks.

My heart literally sank at this point. I seriously cannot wait for the next piece of information because as Halo 4 gets closer and closer to release I want to see if I’m really going to buy it.

Halo: Reach was a disappointment for me, Halo 4 is the last chance to save the Halo Franchise for me as a person. If it fails then I’m done, out, gone. Not that that means anything to 343 or the people on here, but I’m not willing to waste £40 on something I’m not going to like, no matter if it’s Halo or not.

Halo isn’t Call of Duty, Halo cannot and will not survive copying CoD games. CoD releases the same crap year after year after year and it’s getting old.
After Reach, Halo doesn’t have the strength to do this.

If 343 wants a bunch of insane badkids for their fanbase while slowly alienating the people who made Halo what it is, then let them do it but I won’t be around to watch it happen.

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> (Before I get started with my rant, let’s be clear about one thing. I. Hate. CoD. Imo, it is very much responsible for the pathetic state the gaming industry is in today. Again, that’s my opinion, just throwing it out there, so no one tries to devalue my argument by saying that I’m bias. If you say “OP is just a CoD hater” I’ll say “you’re damn right I am”.)
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> If 343 doesn’t change directions with Halo 4, it will be the final nail in the coffin for the franchise.
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> Something it seems like 343 doesn’t understand about Halo (and Bungie didn’t understand about Reach) is that people like Halo because it’s Halo. Not Cod, not Battlefield, not killzone, not counterstrike, it’s HALO!
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> From what I’ve seen so far, Halo 4 looks utterly ridiculous.
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> Frankie says “ohh Halo 4 isn’t a CoD ripoff”. But the fact that he has to make transparent excuses like that just shows complete denial. When I first saw the BR, I honestly thought that I was looking at some Yoink! CoD gun. Halo 4 looks so much like CoD that even the team scoring counters in the bottom right hand corner looks like Modern Warfare.
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> If people want to play Call of Duty, let them play it. If people want to play Minecraft, let them play it. If people want to play Battlefield, let the play it. If people want to play Halo, for the love of God, let them play it!
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> Halo 4’s current state looks absolutely pathetic and un-original. (Btw 343, the medals are on the wrong side of the hud. Just thought I’d let you guys know…)
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> Quite frankly, this game seems more catered to bad players than anything I’ve ever seen. If 343 is trying to reach an all time low for how God -Yoinking!- awful a game can get, they certainly seem to be succeeding.
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> If the game shows no chance of improving, You will not see me playing it. Why would I pay good money for a game that shows no promise, looks boring as hell, and seems to play as bad as it looks.
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> It’s not too late to change Halo’s direction, and I certainly hope 343 heeds the community’s warning.

But you have to understand there’s nowhere else the direction can go. 343 is literally being pulled in two directions from fans who want halo to go back to how it was, and fans who want them to innovate.

First of all perks and loadouts are nothing new, they’ve been there in rpg games, and a other games before COD. Halo 3 had equipment pickups, and in Reach they gradually made that into armor abilities, and to be honest i never used equipments in halo 3 as much as i use armor abilities.

I’m not a big COD fan myself, i only like COD4, but you have to also understand that the problem that plagued COD was that there were an overwhelming amount of perks and abilities that they just threw at players which got them addicted to unlocking new things. This basically led to crazy disbalance, no competitiveness, unfair advantages and all activision did was release new games to keep the community addicted.

Halo 4 has no issue like that and there’s no reason to compare it to COD. Have you ever though about ‘what if halo actually pulled this off better than COD’? What if call of duty 4 was never released and halo innovated with more balanced perks and abilities? The series has to go somewhere, and actually YOU’RE the one bringing COD into this. Why do we have to shape halo from what cod isn’t? You’re basically limiting halo’s future identity by comparing every feature to call of duty. If the work “perk” is mentioned that’s immediate blasphemy without even playing the game.

And from what I have seen so far, it still looks a lot like traditional halo, bloom is removed, BR is back, i don’t udnerstand what they need to do to make everyone happy. Quite frankly, i’m too used to seeing the same halo game for 10 years so it’s time for something new. If they introduce something new, they can always have classic playlists. If they release the same game, yes the hardcore players won’t mind (even though some will be very dissappointed) but they won’t make much money, and that is the true nail in the coffin for the franchise my friend.