I wont stop fighting against AAs and loadouts

Games Other Halo
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even if you tell me it wont change anything,whos with me? I can deal with almost everything from the GI leak,yes even sprint,but i cant deal with AAs and loadouts and forerunner vision(an AA)

HALO DOES NOT NEED CLASSES,HALO DOES NOT NEED TO GO MAINSTREAM

only the imagination makes me angry cause loadouts support that rock-paper-scissors gameplay,I dont want to be able to choose between 5 different classes

Halo is really going into CoDs direction but only in terms of Classes,customizable classes? really? buying your weapons and gameplay elements?

when I play halo and I hear Jeff Steitzers voice say “Slayer” I want to start with the same weapon and the same ability or even better without abilities,equal number of grenades,and not choosing my class at first

and I dont want to customize my classes,if i want to do that i’ll go play CoD,honestly,im not dumb and i know whole halo is not turning into CoD like some other guys on these forums,but classes are really not necessary

look,honestly,if someone would recommend a game to me and he would say:its a game in which you can customize your classes i would think of CoD or Battlefield,the big difference to date was that Halo was one of the last games in which you could not do that,but halo is following its competitors going mainstream

if i had to describe halo to a friend who does not know what it is,the first thing i would say is:everyone starts equal,or how would you describe halo to a friend?

EDIT:forgot to mention active camo as an AA:makes timing power-up active camo senseless

or to summarize it for the people who are too lazy to read the whole thing

> Mad? No. Disappointed? Yes?
>
> I was mad when I heard armour would have an affect on gameplay. It ruined my chances of me seeing Halo becoming an arena FPS game again. Back to it’s glory days. Then I got disappointment after disappointment of how Halo is to become a class-based game.

another good post,thanks to Leftycakes

> The thing that is happening is Halo is moving closer to the current generic class-based shooter, becoming less unique in the process. Halo was always a balanced arena shooter. Put players, who are exactly the same in every way, into an arena and let them use their skill and what they can find there to win. It’s not that anymore. Honestly, that was my favorite aspect of Halo.

so whos with me? of course you can argue and discuss

btw:hows my english? its not my first language,a feedback would be very nice,did you realize im not english while reading my text?

EDIT EDIT:Since we know we have to unlock the BR and other weapons to be able to start with them its even more unbalanced and not too smart

i mean you will most likely be able to pick them up on the map,but it still gives newcomers a disadvantage.and i thought 343 was aiming at newcomers to help them get into the game?

now,since we got the new info i have nothing to say against forerunner vision anymore

MY SOLUTION:

IF 343 wants to bring back loadouts,OK,but seperate them from AAs,that means(removes Paper-Rock-Scissors gameplay):

You still will be able to choose between your classes but only BR,DMR,CARBINE and the main starting weapons(NO AAs) and you dont have to buy them(which removes the disadvantage to newcomers). AAs will be set back to improved Equipment again.

what about that?

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I’m not with you.

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hm…halo was already mainstream. i mean, it is the biggest exclusive title on the 2nd highest selling console this generation.

and stop comparing it to COD. until we have gameplay we cannot make that assumption. the fact that you are making that assumption shows that you either have a time machine, or you have psychic powers…either that, or you are jumping to conclusions.

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I heard that you can have a choice between the DMR, BR, AR and AC in the loadouts. That sounds pretty cool if you ask me.

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> HALO DOES NOT NEED TO GO MAINSTREAM

No it doesn’t.

But then you need to accept the inevitable reality of Halo dying a slow death as the masses move on only for the game to reach the point where it’s not longer financially viable and the franchise ends.

Also: If you want to beat your head into a wall, I would recommend deciding to remodel your house and then start beating your head into those walls. Just watch out for studs.

Edit: I believe I was thanked erroneously.

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343’s defense (from interview): “you can still play customs derp”

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> hm…halo was already mainstream. i mean, it is the biggest exclusive title on the 2nd highest selling console this generation.
>
> and stop comparing it to COD. until we have gameplay we cannot make that assumption. the fact that you are making that assumption shows that you either have a time machine, or you have psychic powers…either that, or you are jumping to conclusions.

im comapring it to CoD in terms of classes,and 343 confirmed that there will be customizable classes

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> 343’s defense (from interview): “you can still play customs derp”

what if i want to play multiplayer? i wont buy it to play custom games then

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halo is mainstream dingus

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> > hm…halo was already mainstream. i mean, it is the biggest exclusive title on the 2nd highest selling console this generation.
> >
> > and stop comparing it to COD. until we have gameplay we cannot make that assumption. the fact that you are making that assumption shows that you either have a time machine, or you have psychic powers…either that, or you are jumping to conclusions.
>
> im comapring it to CoD in terms of classes,and 343 confirmed that there will be customizable classes

and you dont know what that means.

is it like shadowrun classes? COD classes? there are dozens of FPSs that have a class system and they all work differently. also, COD didnt invent anything that they are doing. if you dont like classes, blame older games that had them.

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> > > hm…halo was already mainstream. i mean, it is the biggest exclusive title on the 2nd highest selling console this generation.
> > >
> > > and stop comparing it to COD. until we have gameplay we cannot make that assumption. the fact that you are making that assumption shows that you either have a time machine, or you have psychic powers…either that, or you are jumping to conclusions.
> >
> > im comapring it to CoD in terms of classes,and 343 confirmed that there will be customizable classes
>
> and you dont know what that means.
>
> is it like shadowrun classes? COD classes? there are dozens of FPSs that have a class system and they all work differently. also, COD didnt invent anything that they are doing. if you dont like classes, blame older games that had them.

yeah i could play older games or i can fight against it and hope for the best

guess what i decided to do? little hint:read title

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You have my sword

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Your voice means nothing.

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> You have my sword

thank you good sir

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> > HALO DOES NOT NEED TO GO MAINSTREAM
>
> No it doesn’t.
>
> But then you need to accept the inevitable reality of Halo dying a slow death as the masses move on only for the game to reach the point where it’s not longer financially viable and the franchise ends.
>
> Also: If you want to beat your head into a wall, I would recommend deciding to remodel your house and then start beating your head into those walls. Just watch out for studs.
>
> Edit: I believe I was thanked erroneously.

Because obviously, if a game doesn’t become class based, it will stagnate. /s

Halo 2 and Halo 3 did fine even with tons of other great class based games out in their time(Star Wars Battlefront series, Battlefield franchise, Counter-strike, Mechassault).

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Although im all for the old style of Halo over the new style …
Halo 4 is not going to change its path and I just hope 343i makes a good game that all different types of people want to play …

A mix of old and new ---- im hopping for more older then new myself

Only, time will see …

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> Your voice means nothing.

yeah your right,but thats why i hope for help from people who feel like me,and i know there are enough out there

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> > > > hm…halo was already mainstream. i mean, it is the biggest exclusive title on the 2nd highest selling console this generation.
> > > >
> > > > and stop comparing it to COD. until we have gameplay we cannot make that assumption. the fact that you are making that assumption shows that you either have a time machine, or you have psychic powers…either that, or you are jumping to conclusions.
> > >
> > > im comapring it to CoD in terms of classes,and 343 confirmed that there will be customizable classes
> >
> > and you dont know what that means.
> >
> > is it like shadowrun classes? COD classes? there are dozens of FPSs that have a class system and they all work differently. also, COD didnt invent anything that they are doing. if you dont like classes, blame older games that had them.
>
> yeah i could play older games or i can fight against it and hope for the best
>
> guess what i decided to do? little hint:read title

soooo…then why are you making this crappy COD argument then?

it isnt gonna play like COD, it isnt a COD title and this argument has been heard in probably close to 300 threads in the last week alone.

i can argue with you till my fingers bleed, but no matter how many times i say that it could be implemented properly, like many other titles out there, you and a host of other people will scream COD from the rooftops.

i am not saying that i like/love these changes. i dont know, i am preaching the gospel of i dont know…not COD: spaceman.

also, fighting against it now will do nothing. it has been in beta for a little while now.

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> > > > > hm…halo was already mainstream. i mean, it is the biggest exclusive title on the 2nd highest selling console this generation.
> > > > >
> > > > > and stop comparing it to COD. until we have gameplay we cannot make that assumption. the fact that you are making that assumption shows that you either have a time machine, or you have psychic powers…either that, or you are jumping to conclusions.
> > > >
> > > > im comapring it to CoD in terms of classes,and 343 confirmed that there will be customizable classes
> > >
> > > and you dont know what that means.
> > >
> > > is it like shadowrun classes? COD classes? there are dozens of FPSs that have a class system and they all work differently. also, COD didnt invent anything that they are doing. if you dont like classes, blame older games that had them.
> >
> > yeah i could play older games or i can fight against it and hope for the best
> >
> > guess what i decided to do? little hint:read title
>
> soooo…then why are you making this crappy COD argument then?
>
> it isnt gonna play like COD, it isnt a COD title and this argument has been heard in probably close to 300 threads in the last week alone.
>
> i can argue with you till my fingers bleed, but no matter how many times i say that it could be implemented properly, like many other titles out there, you and a host of other people will scream COD from the rooftops.
>
> i am not saying that i like/love these changes. i dont know, i am preaching the gospel of i dont know…not COD: spaceman.
>
> also, fighting against it now will do nothing. it has been in beta for a little while now.

i just found a perfect post which summarizes what i want to say,ill add this to the OP as well

> Mad? No. Disappointed? Yes?
>
> I was mad when I heard armour would have an affect on gameplay. It ruined my chances of me seeing Halo becoming an arena FPS game again. Back to it’s glory days. Then I got disappointment after disappointment of how Halo is to become a class-based game.

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First of all, your English is fine. Your grammar could use work, but then again I’m an English nerd. Your ability to speak English is MUCH better than my ability to speak French or any other language.

Anyway, I’m slowly becoming more and more unsure of loadouts. In a sandbox game like Halo, people will ignore some weapons in favour of others. I always find the argument of players finding interesting play-styles B.S. because of the meta-game. People will find one combination of weapons and equipment that works and they will exploit the hell out of it. The Assault Rifle, in most cases, will be completely ignored on most maps, in my opinion. The DMR may get some action, but I assume that the Battle Rifle will litter battlefields most of the time. Furthermore, I’m a little peeved that 343 is bringing the Active Camouflage Armour Ability back. I’m sick enough of invisible snipers as it is. On larger maps in Reach, invisible players with DMRs or Snipers are way too annoying as it is. I don’t want invisible campers to be encouraged.

I’m also wondering if we also get a choice of secondary weapons. If we can all grab Plasma Pistols or Needlers, Halo 4 multiplayer will be terrifying. I’m sure that 343 employees are not stupid, but the fact that such a thing may be possible scares me.

Anyway, I’m probably overreacting. 343 seems to be well aware of just how looney some Halo “fans” are, so they’ll probably be keeping a close eye on potential issues like invisible snipers and noob-combo spawns (I like the Plasma Pistol, but only when I’m the only person with one).