I was on your side 343 haters...

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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But you have taken it to far. Nobody said the falcon would be in this update. It would take months to balance the falcon so it would fit into the halo 5 sandbox. We have 4 flying vehicles already. Soon we will have five. Even if 343 saw what “everyone” (Which is not true) wanted, they would not have time to make the vehicle or test it. One month is not a lot of time. Basically, if 343 saw what “everyone” wanted, they would to cut everything else from the update to focus on the falcon. No noble team armor or emblems, no wheelman armor mod, no Jorge’s turret, no brute plasma rifle, no awesome stances, no infection, no UI update, no new forge items, and no new weapon mod. So I don’t blame 343 for the hideous place these forums have become… I blame you.

Edit: Now people are complaining about no starting pistol in infection… ok so have you even used the pistol in this game it is super powerful and the bullet magnetism would make head shots super easy so it would be pretty much as good as a sniper, just with lots of extra ammo. And for the people who want Halo 1 pistol starts in infection… I don’t even know what to say to you. Also some people are mad that power weapons will be on the maps, but I think it will change up the gameplay and make each round somewhat unique.

Edit 2: Actually I blame the community and 343…

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100% agree, I remember I was in a party with several people who bet MONEY that they would add in the falcon, I told them that they 100% would not add it and they were willing to bet money. Still waiting on my $100. In all seriousness people basically just looked at an outline of a phaeton with people telling them it was a phaeton and they thought it was the falcon…

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> But you have taken it to far. Nobody said the falcon would be in this update. It would take months to balance the falcon so it would fit into the halo 5 sandbox. We have 4 flying vehicles already. Soon we will have five. Even if 343 saw what “everyone” (Which is not true) wanted, they would not have time to make the vehicle or test it. One month is not a lot of time. Basically, if 343 saw what “everyone” wanted, they would to cut everything else from the update to focus on the falcon. No noble team armor or emblems, no wheelman armor mod, no Jorge’s turret, no brute plasma rifle, no awesome stances, no infection, no UI update, no new forge items, and no new weapon mod. So I don’t blame 343 for the hideous place these forums have become… I blame you.

Well said. Not sure how long it would actually take, but it would definitely take time to make it work in the sandbox. Some never think of that and expect things just to be put it there.

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343 should not hype the ONI card in the first place. Classic bait and switch BS from 343 as usual.

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They are a huge team of skilled developers. I’m sure they could’ve added the Falcon and more on top of what is here.

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What a Halo: Reach themed update. Armors that people don’t want players to wear? Why? Because it’ll get old, fast. The lack of memorable armors and the very few armors that are memorable are a fuss to obtain. A phaeton to remember how great it must be to fill that req build up with the same things over and over instead of allowing new content into the mix. If the updates are pin pointed with their respective names beforehand, why not prepare for a great showcase for those updates. Especially with a decent amount of development time. Last but not least, UI fixes that were greatly implemented in the -beta-(end game stats) are being acknowledged so far down H5’s road…

Although the community is to blame. Having such a spike in activity over a vehicle NOT confirmed is a joke.

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I agree, it’s understandable for people to not approve of the quality of these updates, but it’s not understandable to go off over some you yourself hyped up to begin with. Forget the Oni cover, you should’ve just kept to the mindset of “we’ll wait and see” rather than “it has to be the falcon! I just know it is! Let’s even try to decrypt it and find out!”.

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Agreed OP. The thing is these forums are such a small percentage of the Halo community but many people here think we’re the supreme guiding force behind everything. I’ve seen a few posts on Twitter/Facebook about MoR, and I haven’t seen anyone mention the Falcon. It was nothing more than a waypoint fantasy.

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I wouldn’t generalize all the people who wanted a Falcon as “343 haters” that’s a bit ignorant to say. It’s not wrong to speculate and want something. And with all the delays after they announced the release dates of all subsequent content drops post Hammer Storm is dissapointing. And with all the lackluster updates so far, it’s not wrong for people to expect a higher expectation almost seven months down the line post launch. Seven months and we’re not getting anything too special and 343 haven’t risen the bar. But it’s all subjective. I personally don’t mind these content drops, they’re nice. But not enough to keep me playing for long. I just love the additions to Forge. Except bugs.

343 unnecessarily hyped things up, even Bravo was communicating with us on a thread. Everyone including myself were having fun talking to each other and speculating. There was no need for them to be cryptic, but they decided on it anyways. If they would of said, “no falcon” yes there would be dissapointment. But at least no one would have risen their expectations so high. There was a problems occurring from both 343 and the community.

With these updates, they’re not made within a month time span. (But with what we’re getting I wouldn’t be suprised the DLC is being thrown together in a month.) They’re all made in tangent immediately post game launch by different subsidiaries within the department. Or at least they should be. (I’ve worked a little bit within the industry.) 343 has industry leaders within their ranks and the backing of Microsoft; a multi million $$$ company. Expecting them to go a little bit higher with even their own standards is not wrong.

I look at DICE, with their Battlefield series. (Which is their baby BTW. Halo is like an adopted son no one wanted by 343 during H4 and has now passed on to different sweeter but tough loving parents for H5 who wants nothing more but for their step child to make money for them) Who cares if you have to pay $15 for DLC. At least I know I’ll be getting a slew of new weapons, character customization pieces, emblems, weapon attachments and skins, new HUGE maps, new vehicles, new equipment, even brand new things added to the base game like even more levolution areas in the base game or gamemodes like CTF, Gun Game, Ariel Dogfights, Ect. for free. And the fact the base game is a WHOLE game mind you.

I look at Memories of Reach, and I see nothing. And I mean nothing; but reskins. A reskinned map, reskinned weapons, a reskinned vehicle, the new weapons function the same as their counterparts with slight buffs or tweaks making them a reskin, and everything else is just unnecessary visual stuff that can be made in a few minutes, to an hour. As an artist and animator myself, I would’ve cleared the emblems, assassinations, stances, and weapon skins in a few nights. Infection is the only thing “new” if you can even consider it that.

Personally, I don’t love the DLC for Halo 5. But I also don’t hate them. Cartographers Gift and Hammer for me were my favorites. But than again, they introduced new things. Hopefully an update similar to those come along soon.

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> Nobody said the falcon would be in this update. It would take months to balance the falcon so it would fit into the halo 5 sandbox. We have 4 flying vehicles already. Soon we will have five. Even if 343 saw what “everyone” (Which is not true) wanted, they would not have time to make the vehicle or test it. One month is not a lot of time. Basically, if 343 saw what “everyone” wanted, they would to cut everything else from the update to focus on the falcon. No noble team armor or emblems, no wheelman armor mod, no Jorge’s turret, no brute plasma rifle, no awesome stances, no infection, no UI update, no new forge items, and no new weapon mod.

343 could’ve introduced the Falcon and still have everything else, the Falcon would just need a large amount of time in the design and testing phases, and armor, emblems, stances, and weapon skins (a good portion of the update) require very little design and testing. Granted it would still take a good amount of time and effort, but they actually could do that due to the amount of funding this game is receiving. Who said they started work for each update exactly one month prior to release. They were working on Memories of Reach for at least 3 or 4 months based on when they announced all the updates lined up.

I will agree that just because there was no Falcon that we should rage. I am disapointed it was just a Phaeton variant though.

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I agree
All I have seen in the forums lately is people complaining about lack of falcon
It is getting really annoying

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> 343 should not hype the ONI card in the first place. Classic bait and switch BS from 343 as usual.

This is the big part of problem…wasn’t so much the falcon as it was the ONI card. Why would you put so much build up into a variant. I believe both 343 and the community were both to blame. As far as the sandboxing issue, we’re not sure how much time they honestly had to work on this. There have been multiple threads that stated that a UNSC airborne vehicle might make it eventually.

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Lol I agree the hate has to stop.

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> > 343 should not hype the ONI card in the first place. Classic bait and switch BS from 343 as usual.
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> This is the big part of problem…wasn’t so much the falcon as it was the ONI card. Why would you put so much build up into a variant. I believe both 343 and the community were both to blame. As far as the sandboxing issue, we’re not sure how much time they honestly had to work on this. There have been multiple threads that stated that a UNSC airborne vehicle might make it eventually.

Exactly all this, why are we trying to shift blame between 343 and us the community? I tried explaining this but my post got a bit longer than expected. The problem is with both sides expecting too much from each other.

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I agree that the community is very quick to hate on 343, but it is SO lame putting a phaeton behind that Oni symbol. I couldn’t care less about the Falcon, but you’d at least expect something new or exciting to be the mvp of the poster. Instead we got a variation on something we already have and very few people will even get a chance to use. It’s generating hype for literally no reason.

Luckily the rest of the update looks sweet though. I can’t wait to get my hands on infection again!

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> > > 343 should not hype the ONI card in the first place. Classic bait and switch BS from 343 as usual.
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> > This is the big part of problem…wasn’t so much the falcon as it was the ONI card. Why would you put so much build up into a variant. I believe both 343 and the community were both to blame. As far as the sandboxing issue, we’re not sure how much time they honestly had to work on this. There have been multiple threads that stated that a UNSC airborne vehicle might make it eventually.
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> Exactly all this, why are we trying to shift blame between 343 and us the community? I tried explaining this but my post got a bit longer than expected. The problem is with both sides expecting too much from each other.

Both sides have the blame equally.

Community: For expecting too much ( Stop overhyping things, people.

343: For pulling a bait and switch ONI card ( Stop with this BS, 343. you could name the phaeton right away
but instead you guys pulled the ONI card from the air.

No one are innocent in this case.

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343 was surely trying to make us think it was the Falcon to get extra hype. And when it’s not they hide behind the curtain of “we didn’t confirm anything”.

Jerk move.

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Hm. Hasn’t the Falcon been a much requested vehicle for inclusion in new games ever since Halo 4? I certainly remember the outcry for flying UNSC vehicles in Halo 4 and 343 was certainly aware when they said that such vehicles would one day come back. So with that, is the point that they would not have a month to make and test a Falcon really make sense when they’ve had close to 4 years of prior knowledge on the demand for something like the Falcon? I’m not bitter about the Falcon not being in Memories of Reach, I never expected it to begin with, but 343 knew what they were doing when they put up that ONI symbol on the as-of-then unannounced Phaeton card. I’d suggest that the community not hype itself up so much about these updates with how much already released content gets recycled for them even when you account for actually new stuff (which seems to end up recycled in subsequent updates as well).

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> Hm. Hasn’t the Falcon been a much requested vehicle for inclusion in new games ever since Halo 4? I certainly remember the outcry for flying UNSC vehicles in Halo 4 and 343 was certainly aware when they said that such vehicles would one day come back. So with that, is the point that they would not have a month to make and test a Falcon really make sense when they’ve had close to 4 years of prior knowledge on the demand for something like the Falcon? I’m not bitter about the Falcon not being in Memories of Reach, I never expected it to begin with, but 343 knew what they were doing when they put up that ONI symbol on the as-of-then unannounced Phaeton card. I’d suggest that the community not hype itself up so much about these updates with how much already released content gets recycled for them even when you account for actually new stuff (which seems to end up recycled in subsequent updates as well).

If 343 really cared to make a UNSC flying vehicle there would have been one at launch. Even if 343 did add a UNSC air vehicle to Halo 5 it would probably be the hornet anyway because most people prefer it over the falcon. I understand that it was a jerk move to make the ONI req card but the community over hyped it. People should be glad that it is a new air vehicle instead of something dumb like armor lock.

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> > Hm. Hasn’t the Falcon been a much requested vehicle for inclusion in new games ever since Halo 4? I certainly remember the outcry for flying UNSC vehicles in Halo 4 and 343 was certainly aware when they said that such vehicles would one day come back. So with that, is the point that they would not have a month to make and test a Falcon really make sense when they’ve had close to 4 years of prior knowledge on the demand for something like the Falcon? I’m not bitter about the Falcon not being in Memories of Reach, I never expected it to begin with, but 343 knew what they were doing when they put up that ONI symbol on the as-of-then unannounced Phaeton card. I’d suggest that the community not hype itself up so much about these updates with how much already released content gets recycled for them even when you account for actually new stuff (which seems to end up recycled in subsequent updates as well).
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> If 343 really cared to make a UNSC flying vehicle there would have been one at launch. Even if 343 did add a UNSC air vehicle to Halo 5 it would probably be the hornet anyway because most people prefer it over the falcon. I understand that it was a jerk move to make the ONI req card but the community over hyped it. People should be glad that it is a new air vehicle instead of something dumb like armor lock.

It isn’t a new air vehicle, it’s just a Phaeton variant. It’s like arguing the Woodland Warthog is a new land vehicle. Technically, that’s true since we didn’t have it before, but at the same time it’s just effectively a reskin of an already existing asset with some difference. You are right, it was a jerk move for 343 to make it mysterious and the community overhyped themselves, but 343 could have quickly fixed this issue with some honesty. They didn’t and now you get people who won’t shut up about the Falcon who are for or against it.