I want that halo feeling 343i

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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MY OPINION! POST YOUR OWN! BE NICE:)

I don’t understand why people think that halo needs to reboot itself constantly to keep it interesting. When I buy a new halo game I hope it looks and plays very similarly to the previous ones because after all… It’s just another chapter. I want to look at it and relate it to what I saw previously. I also expect a smother, more refined experience.
Halo 5: guardians should be an improvement of the older halo’s not a completely new game.

THOSE FEELS FROM HALO 1-3
Yes, those feels. I could feel a slightly gritty and dark world. A mythical, mysterious, vast world… One to be remembered. The art design was so perfect. Halo 5’s graphics don’t express anything I want from a halo game.

DAT -Yoink!-, SMOOTH GAMEPLAY
look at halo 2, then halo 5… See the difference? There shouldn’t be a whole lot of them. I don’t care enough to elaborate…

Whatever…

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I agree that a sequal should only be a refinement of the prequal. It should take the good and sharpen it, improve it and add something new which doesn’t change the game much at all. Halo 3 did a great job with that and the equipments. They didn’t change the games too insanely and were not overpowering eachother.

But I disagree with you when you compare Halo 2 and Halo 5. There is a big difference. Maps are wider and contain much more walkways than open fields. Halo 5 goes faster and has changed the way you handle fights and how you move. In Halo 2 you have more controll over the game whilst in Halo 5 you can screw up and escape a punishment without any effort. And not only with sprint but with thruster, clamber and GP too.

Halo 1-3 had evolution and evolution is a slow process of change which gives you more data on the outcome whilst change is direct and can’t be predicted like evolution. Halo 4 and 5 are more similar to eachother than Halo 2 and 5 is. Why? Because Halo 4 and 5 have more common similarities than Halo 2 and 5 in maps, art and gameplay.

I can give 343i creds for removing classes, loadouts perks, ordinance and all that but I’m very dissapointed that they add things like sprint, clamber or thrusters, when the game doesn’t need them, just for the sake of reality. They value immersion and reality more what they value gameplay and balance.

They’re even making the POWER WEAPONS weaker for no reason. Look at the sniper, the AR beats it in long range with the new smart-scope (which isn’t needed either and is highly broken with the removal of bullet spread when using it) and the Hydra is weak as hell for being a power weapon. Even the rocket launcher got nerfed with it’s explosion radius. They make stupid descisions to make Halo into a modern shooter which they shouldn’t. You can’t blend Coke and Mento’s without getting a negative outcome. You can’t mix two so different items and get a possitive out of it. 343i needs to understand that.

What pisses me off more though is their stupid poll results and -Yoink- like that. How can they ignore this and say that only 11% of the people who voted sprint no on their latest poll, which I must add wasn’t a “yes or no” question. And the most fun part is that not everyone couldn’t participate at the time, you had to be from the US and be 18 years of age. And those who were got selected. Two of my friends didn’t come in even though they should but why I don’t know. It could be because they’ve done multiple anti-sprint polls or something like that whilst I’ve mostly been lurking and done nothing.

I don’t trust 343i when it comes to MP. They destroyed Halo 4, almost killed MCC (And they knew it wasn’t working), and I’m still very dissapointed even after playing the Halo 5 beta. They cater more to focus groups and other audiances than their own. A focus group is a group of people that go from game to game and they just give suggestions of what they except from a surten game genre.

343i needs to step up and connect to the community more. I want them to do a 24h QnA stream and they get to answer the most frequent answeres on the forums. Example sprint. And if they answer with “Oh but it gives a more immersive feel and it doesn’t really make sense not to do so when you’re a super soilder” then they can just drop the entier franchise and go work at other games except for Halo. They can just shut the hell up and remove the reality-is-better-than-balanced-mechanics–Yoink- from their bumholes.

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> I agree that a sequal should only be a refinement of the prequal. It should take the good and sharpen it, improve it and add something new which doesn’t change the game much at all. Halo 3 did a great job with that and the equipments. They didn’t change the games too insanely and were not overpowering eachother.
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> But I disagree with you when you compare Halo 2 and Halo 5. There is a big difference. Maps are wider and contain much more walkways than open fields. Halo 5 goes faster and has changed the way you handle fights and how you move. In Halo 2 you have more controll over the game whilst in Halo 5 you can screw up and escape a punishment without any effort. And not only with sprint but with thruster, clamber and GP too.
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> Halo 1-3 had evolution and evolution is a slow process of change which gives you more data on the outcome whilst change is direct and can’t be predicted like evolution. Halo 4 and 5 are more similar to eachother than Halo 2 and 5 is. Why? Because Halo 4 and 5 have more common similarities than Halo 2 and 5 in maps, art and gameplay.
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> I can give 343i creds for removing classes, loadouts perks, ordinance and all that but I’m very dissapointed that they add things like sprint, clamber or thrusters, when the game doesn’t need them, just for the sake of reality. They value immersion and reality more what they value gameplay and balance.
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> 1) They’re even making the POWER WEAPONS weaker for no reason. Look at the sniper, the AR beats it in long range with the new smart-scope (which isn’t needed either and is highly broken with the removal of bullet spread when using it) and the Hydra is weak as hell for being a power weapon. Even the rocket launcher got nerfed with it’s explosion radius. They make stupid descisions to make Halo into a modern shooter which they shouldn’t. You can’t blend Coke and Mento’s without getting a negative outcome. You can’t mix two so different items and get a possitive out of it. 343i needs to understand that.
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> 2) What pisses me off more though is their stupid poll results and -Yoink- like that. How can they ignore this and say that only 11% of the people who voted sprint no on their latest poll, which I must add wasn’t a “yes or no” question. And the most fun part is that not everyone couldn’t participate at the time, you had to be from the US and be 18 years of age. And those who were got selected. Two of my friends didn’t come in even though they should but why I don’t know. It could be because they’ve done multiple anti-sprint polls or something like that whilst I’ve mostly been lurking and done nothing.
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> I don’t trust 343i when it comes to MP. They destroyed Halo 4, almost killed MCC (And they knew it wasn’t working), and I’m still very dissapointed even after playing the Halo 5 beta. They cater more to focus groups and other audiances than their own. A focus group is a group of people that go from game to game and they just give suggestions of what they except from a surten game genre.
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> 343i needs to step up and connect to the community more. I want them to do a 24h QnA stream and they get to answer the most frequent answeres on the forums. Example sprint. And if they answer with “Oh but it gives a more immersive feel and it doesn’t really make sense not to do so when you’re a super soilder” then they can just drop the entier franchise and go work at other games except for Halo. They can just shut the hell up and remove the reality-is-better-than-balanced-mechanics–Yoink- from their bumholes.

  1. I’m sorry but did you just say that the AR with Smart Scope beats the Sniper Rifle at long range. Medium range, sure. But long? Nah. They’ve already said that the Hydra is getting a buff. Don’t remember anything about the rocket launcher’s blast radius getting reduced.

  2. How many people participated in that poll you linked? The HCFP had 19 000 participants(or 10 000. I think I saw this number being brought up somewhere.). Before the beta finished they opened the program to a few countries in the EU as well.

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> > 2533274843463464;2:
> > I agree that a sequal should only be a refinement of the prequal. It should take the good and sharpen it, improve it and add something new which doesn’t change the game much at all. Halo 3 did a great job with that and the equipments. They didn’t change the games too insanely and were not overpowering eachother.
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> > But I disagree with you when you compare Halo 2 and Halo 5. There is a big difference. Maps are wider and contain much more walkways than open fields. Halo 5 goes faster and has changed the way you handle fights and how you move. In Halo 2 you have more controll over the game whilst in Halo 5 you can screw up and escape a punishment without any effort. And not only with sprint but with thruster, clamber and GP too.
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> > Halo 1-3 had evolution and evolution is a slow process of change which gives you more data on the outcome whilst change is direct and can’t be predicted like evolution. Halo 4 and 5 are more similar to eachother than Halo 2 and 5 is. Why? Because Halo 4 and 5 have more common similarities than Halo 2 and 5 in maps, art and gameplay.
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> > I can give 343i creds for removing classes, loadouts perks, ordinance and all that but I’m very dissapointed that they add things like sprint, clamber or thrusters, when the game doesn’t need them, just for the sake of reality. They value immersion and reality more what they value gameplay and balance.
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> > 1) They’re even making the POWER WEAPONS weaker for no reason. Look at the sniper, the AR beats it in long range with the new smart-scope (which isn’t needed either and is highly broken with the removal of bullet spread when using it) and the Hydra is weak as hell for being a power weapon. Even the rocket launcher got nerfed with it’s explosion radius. They make stupid descisions to make Halo into a modern shooter which they shouldn’t. You can’t blend Coke and Mento’s without getting a negative outcome. You can’t mix two so different items and get a possitive out of it. 343i needs to understand that.
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> > 2) What pisses me off more though is their stupid poll results and -Yoink- like that. How can they ignore this and say that only 11% of the people who voted sprint no on their latest poll, which I must add wasn’t a “yes or no” question. And the most fun part is that not everyone couldn’t participate at the time, you had to be from the US and be 18 years of age. And those who were got selected. Two of my friends didn’t come in even though they should but why I don’t know. It could be because they’ve done multiple anti-sprint polls or something like that whilst I’ve mostly been lurking and done nothing.
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> > I don’t trust 343i when it comes to MP. They destroyed Halo 4, almost killed MCC (And they knew it wasn’t working), and I’m still very dissapointed even after playing the Halo 5 beta. They cater more to focus groups and other audiances than their own. A focus group is a group of people that go from game to game and they just give suggestions of what they except from a surten game genre.
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> > 343i needs to step up and connect to the community more. I want them to do a 24h QnA stream and they get to answer the most frequent answeres on the forums. Example sprint. And if they answer with “Oh but it gives a more immersive feel and it doesn’t really make sense not to do so when you’re a super soilder” then they can just drop the entier franchise and go work at other games except for Halo. They can just shut the hell up and remove the reality-is-better-than-balanced-mechanics–Yoink- from their bumholes.
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> 1) I’m sorry but did you just say that the AR with Smart Scope beats the Sniper Rifle at long range. Medium range, sure. But long? Nah. They’ve already said that the Hydra is getting a buff. Don’t remember anything about the rocket launcher’s blast radius getting reduced.
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> 2) How many people participated in that poll you linked? The HCFP had 19 000 participants(or 10 000. I think I saw this number being brought up somewhere.). Before the beta finished they opened the program to a few countries in the EU as well.

Only 19,000? Thats little enough for the dying sum of halo 4 and mcc to participate. I expected more.

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> > > 2533274843463464;2:
> > > I agree that a sequal should only be a refinement of the prequal. It should take the good and sharpen it, improve it and add something new which doesn’t change the game much at all. Halo 3 did a great job with that and the equipments. They didn’t change the games too insanely and were not overpowering eachother.
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> > > But I disagree with you when you compare Halo 2 and Halo 5. There is a big difference. Maps are wider and contain much more walkways than open fields. Halo 5 goes faster and has changed the way you handle fights and how you move. In Halo 2 you have more controll over the game whilst in Halo 5 you can screw up and escape a punishment without any effort. And not only with sprint but with thruster, clamber and GP too.
> > >
> > > Halo 1-3 had evolution and evolution is a slow process of change which gives you more data on the outcome whilst change is direct and can’t be predicted like evolution. Halo 4 and 5 are more similar to eachother than Halo 2 and 5 is. Why? Because Halo 4 and 5 have more common similarities than Halo 2 and 5 in maps, art and gameplay.
> > >
> > > I can give 343i creds for removing classes, loadouts perks, ordinance and all that but I’m very dissapointed that they add things like sprint, clamber or thrusters, when the game doesn’t need them, just for the sake of reality. They value immersion and reality more what they value gameplay and balance.
> > >
> > > 1) They’re even making the POWER WEAPONS weaker for no reason. Look at the sniper, the AR beats it in long range with the new smart-scope (which isn’t needed either and is highly broken with the removal of bullet spread when using it) and the Hydra is weak as hell for being a power weapon. Even the rocket launcher got nerfed with it’s explosion radius. They make stupid descisions to make Halo into a modern shooter which they shouldn’t. You can’t blend Coke and Mento’s without getting a negative outcome. You can’t mix two so different items and get a possitive out of it. 343i needs to understand that.
> > >
> > > 2) What pisses me off more though is their stupid poll results and -Yoink- like that. How can they ignore this and say that only 11% of the people who voted sprint no on their latest poll, which I must add wasn’t a “yes or no” question. And the most fun part is that not everyone couldn’t participate at the time, you had to be from the US and be 18 years of age. And those who were got selected. Two of my friends didn’t come in even though they should but why I don’t know. It could be because they’ve done multiple anti-sprint polls or something like that whilst I’ve mostly been lurking and done nothing.
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> > > I don’t trust 343i when it comes to MP. They destroyed Halo 4, almost killed MCC (And they knew it wasn’t working), and I’m still very dissapointed even after playing the Halo 5 beta. They cater more to focus groups and other audiances than their own. A focus group is a group of people that go from game to game and they just give suggestions of what they except from a surten game genre.
> > >
> > > 343i needs to step up and connect to the community more. I want them to do a 24h QnA stream and they get to answer the most frequent answeres on the forums. Example sprint. And if they answer with “Oh but it gives a more immersive feel and it doesn’t really make sense not to do so when you’re a super soilder” then they can just drop the entier franchise and go work at other games except for Halo. They can just shut the hell up and remove the reality-is-better-than-balanced-mechanics–Yoink- from their bumholes.
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> > 1) I’m sorry but did you just say that the AR with Smart Scope beats the Sniper Rifle at long range. Medium range, sure. But long? Nah. They’ve already said that the Hydra is getting a buff. Don’t remember anything about the rocket launcher’s blast radius getting reduced.
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> > 2) How many people participated in that poll you linked? The HCFP had 19 000 participants(or 10 000. I think I saw this number being brought up somewhere.). Before the beta finished they opened the program to a few countries in the EU as well.
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> Only 19,000? Thats little enough for the dying sum of halo 4 and mcc to participate. I expected more.

More could have signed up. But didn’t. I guess those that cared(and were from the specific geographic regions) did.

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> When I buy a new halo game I hope it looks and plays very similarly to the previous ones because after all… It’s just another chapter. I want to look at it and relate it to what I saw previously. I also expect a smother, more refined experience.
> Halo 5: guardians should be an improvement of the older halo’s not a completely new game.

You realize that the main criticisms levied at major IPs these days is the lack of innovation title to title, right? How often does COD get slammed for being “the same game every year?” Same with Battlefield: Hardline (“it’s BF 4.5!!11!!”) and Assassin’s Creed. It is even trickier with Halo because it isn’t an annual release; you can’t take 3 years between games like they do in this franchise and then release a reskin. The game would get slaughtered in reviews and no one would buy it except the people who only want to play Halo 2 Classic, which they now can with The Master Chief Collection.

> THOSE FEELS FROM HALO 1-3
> Yes, those feels. I could feel a slightly gritty and dark world. A mythical, mysterious, vast world… One to be remembered. The art design was so perfect. Halo 5’s graphics don’t express anything I want from a halo game.

I tend to agree things were a little too shiny, washed out, and oddly clean in Halo 4. Although Infinity was Humanity’s newest and greatest ship, and Requiem was an untapped Forerunner shield world, so I guess the justifications were there in the lore, even if I agree with you the art stlye in the old games was more appealing.

I hope Halo 5 will be a grittier, less fluorescent experience, wherever Chief ends up. I also would wait until we see more of Halo 5 before you conclude the graphics are not what you want from a Halo game. The single player graphics in particular probably won’t look very similar this fall to the 720p beta we played in December.

> 1) They’re even making the POWER WEAPONS weaker for no reason.

It’s called weapon balancing. Power weapons should give you an advantage but not make you untouchable. It is also important to note that there’s a new tier of Power Weapons (Legendary Weapons) that are supposed to be more powerful than traditional power weapons (e.g., Prophet’s Bane vs. Energy Sword, SPNKr vs. green tube rocket launcher) so it makes sense that traditional power weapons be nerfed a bit in order to keep the Legendary weapons from becoming too OP. Whether power weapons need to be weaker or stronger will no doubt be something they gather constant feedback on and can fine tune after launch.

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"A mythical, mysterious, vast world… One to be remembered. The art design was so perfect."

^ Sounds like Requiem

"look at halo 2, then halo 5… See the difference? There shouldn’t be a whole lot of them"
^ I think there should. Look at the differences between Halo CE (my favorite) and Halo 3. From art-style to gameplay. It’s vastly different. Each game should have its own identity and play differently. It would be silly for them all to play the same. There would be no variety. It would make it completely pointless to hop around from playlist to playlist in the MCC if each game was just a prettier version of the last.

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> MY OPINION! POST YOUR OWN! BE NICE:)
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> I don’t understand why people think that halo needs to reboot itself constantly to keep it interesting. When I buy a new halo game I hope it looks and plays very similarly to the previous ones because after all… It’s just another chapter. I want to look at it and relate it to what I saw previously. I also expect a smother, more refined experience.
> Halo 5: guardians should be an improvement of the older halo’s not a completely new game.
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> THOSE FEELS FROM HALO 1-3
> Yes, those feels. I could feel a slightly gritty and dark world. A mythical, mysterious, vast world… One to be remembered. The art design was so perfect. Halo 5’s graphics don’t express anything I want from a halo game.
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> DAT -Yoink!-, SMOOTH GAMEPLAY
> look at halo 2, then halo 5… See the difference? There shouldn’t be a whole lot of them. I don’t care enough to elaborate…
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> Whatever…

I agree. Halo 4 was good, but not like the other halo games. I don’t know how to explain it, but the classics gave a different feel. If anything, that is what 343i should try to focus on trying to make in a halo game. Do they even work in the same type of work environment that bungie did? I think that was part of what led to halo’s feel.

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That “Halo feel” is the same feeling you get when you think about your childhood–something is missing, but it’s nothing to do with the game. It’s just nostalgia. Halo 2 was far from perfect in fact it was borderline easy to play. I would hope there’s some differences between this game and a 10 year old game.

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> That “Halo feel” is the same feeling you get when you think about your childhood–something is missing, but it’s nothing to do with the game. It’s just nostalgia. Halo 2 was far from perfect in fact it was borderline easy to play. I would hope there’s some differences between this game and a 10 year old game.

Yes. I agree completely.

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I don’t see your halo 5 beta badge, did you play the beta for yourself before making such judgments?

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Halo players who played the original are gamers of a different generation. Simple gameplay, linear campaigns and just simpler everything. It’s like half life, people will tell you how great it was but if a gamer from this new generation played they would say it’s nothing special. The “Halo feel” is different for everyone.

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Seriously I just dont get how so many people are saying the Halo 5 IS this vastly different game from halo 2, I would argue those two have way more in common then Halo 4 and Halo 5,
Halo 5 took the bases of halo 2 and halo 3(to a lesser extent) and built upon that with some variation from halo reach and halo 4.
The halo 5 beta was one of the most well balanced Multiplayers i have played since halo 2 and the most fun i have had since halo 2. I would argue it even more well balanced then halo 2 was.

And seriously after playing Plenty of halo 3 from MCC i can safely say that halo 3 is so much garbage, Nostalgia’s a -Yoink-. Seriously the movement is snails pace, the br is terrible and weapon balancing it horrible, the netcode is bad, It pretty terrible when you compare it to halo 2. At least in halo 5 the movement feels fluid and fast the br feels powerful, and the weapons are definitely balanced better in halo 5(so far as the beta goes)

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> Seriously I just dont get how so many people are saying the Halo 5 IS this vastly different game from halo 2, I would argue those two have way more in common then Halo 4 and Halo 5,
> Halo 5 took the bases of halo 2 and halo 3(to a lesser extent) and built upon that with some variation from halo reach and halo 4.
> The halo 5 beta was one of the most well balanced Multiplayers i have played since halo 2 and the most fun i have had since halo 2. I would argue it even more well balanced then halo 2 was.
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> And seriously after playing Plenty of halo 3 from MCC i can safely say that halo 3 is so much garbage, Nostalgia’s a -Yoink-. Seriously the movement is snails pace, the br is terrible and weapon balancing it horrible, the netcode is bad, It pretty terrible when you compare it to halo 2. At least in halo 5 the movement feels fluid and fast the br feels powerful, and the weapons are definitely balanced better in halo 5(so far as the beta goes)

Glad to see that I’m not the only one who thinks that about halo 3. BR and AR feel so weak