I think we all need to be better

Games Halo Wars Series
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I don’t think it comes as a surprise to anyone hanging around here when I say that we have quite a toxic community at times, and I’ll admit that I myself have been on top of a few unlucky individuals that never deserved it since I started posting here(I apologize my fellow Halo Wars fans, it’s wasn’t you, it was me!).

I will attempt to keep this post as short as possible, something I’m normally terrible at, but it will discuss something that usually takes both some effort from the reader and the writer, so please bear with me.

We all want this community to grow. We all want this game to succeed. Even you people who come here complaining without anything good to say about it, we know that it’s because you care, and because you want it to be better, or you wouldn’t be here. As a disclaimer, I’m just going to make the statement that “better” and “good” are very much subjective terms, and that means that someone can think that this game is the best one ever made, while someone else may think the exact opposite, and neither are wrong about it.

That’s the exact core of the problem though. Everyone has their mind set on what a perfect Halo Wars 2 is, and some are so passionate about it, they’ll even walk over others’ opinions without considering that their proposed change may not be for the better of everyone.

Feedback is something we’ve seen aplenty since launch, and everyone wants to give their two cents, BUT it is rarely presented and/or discussed in a proper manner. Now what is a proper manner you ask?

To give a common example, someone creates a topic that says “This game sucks because it’s missing content and I have to pay more and more because the team is greedy!” Now how do you solve this problem? Apply logic. There are three ways to solve this problem.

  • Apply for a refund if you’re not satisfied with the product - Depending on the problem, try to make the development team aware of the issue you’re experiencing and see if they can fix it, note that cursing at individuals and making threats will not in any way help to resolve the problem. - Do not pre-order until you’ve gotten a better understanding of the productThis above is important because you being unsatisfied with your purchase is by no means OUR problem, alright?

Now for the rest of you, who are here because you enjoy the core game and don’t plan on getting a refund, how do we best help improve this game and create a better and bigger community? We should be accepting, patient, willing to communicate, and welcoming of new members of the community!

Therefore, to avoid the negativity that has been going around lately, think of this:
Presenting and/or discussing any topic is always a matter of being constructive. And this has two sub-stops on the way to a good place.

Number 1: The original poster/topic creator. Make sure that you when posting a suggestion or a complaint, describe the problem in as detailed of a way as possible, in an objective manner, and that’s enough, without jumping to comments like “-Yoink- doesn’t work, crap game!”

Number 2: The people commenting on a post has a lot of responsibility. You make as big of a difference by commenting as you in some cases do by not commenting. If there’s a hateful post that calls -Yoink- on everything, maybe we’re better off not responding to it and let it just sink down to the bottom of the place. If you do want to respond to such a post though, make sure that you without any sort of personal agenda respond to each point logically, and if the opposing person refuses to listen and or discuss it, then leave it be.
Furthermore, make sure that you upvote people who are making positive and/or helpful comments that are factually correct and that has friendly intentions!

TL;DR, try to make the good calls on here for the best of the community.

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I appreciate the sentiment OP, however I think the idea you’re trying to convey is buried under some frustration with the attitude some bring here when discussing the game.

To be honest I think the Halo Wars 2 community has been pretty courteous to each other in the larger scheme of things considering how toxic gaming is in general without taking into consideration specific game communities.

I’d so far as to say that the Halo Wars 2 community has been one of the more pleasant ones that I’ve been a part of since Sunset Overdrive in that there are mainly positive people enjoying the game while simultaneously discussing how the game can be improved. (note that the SO community was a lot smaller than the HW2 one is so that reinforces my point even further)

Sure there are folks in here crying foul over any little thing but the great thing is they are a small fragment of the minority of those not enjoying the game to begin with. Most folks here and online fall under the banner of “I love this game and I will constructively criticize it for the sake of improvement” with the minority falling under the “this game is whatever” category with a small portion of those “whatever” folks being the sort of folks you described.

I don’t know if this is because inherently the RTS genre fans are generally quieter and more polite “GGs for everyone!” but there is no doubt the game simply is just that good. Was Halo Wars 2 launched flawlessly? No. Did it launch with everything working as intended? No. But it was no disaster and people know that, however people are pissed and rightfully so, the crashes, lag outs, disconnects, and even the inability to install the game is unacceptable and I am damn sure Microsoft and Xbox would be the first to tell you that (which is awesome), but people largely stayed along for the ride because it was a game that had a generally good launch that has had, up to this point, exceptional support.

In one months time, we got our first leader with the roadmap (third week of every month) for the DLC plan, and two major patches (10GB and & 7GB respectively) which have solved a good amount of the problems those who were rightfully pissed off were having.

Is the game perfect now? No. And it probably never will be, once there are zero people having disconnects, lag outs, and crashes there will be the posts that talk about how OP a unit is, or how OP a leader is, or how unbalanced Blitz is, or how the campaign missions included in the DLC weren’t what they were expecting.

I’d say let’s not focus on the toxicity, but rather focus on the game, the love we have of it, and how we’d like to see it improve.

-Cheers!

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> I don’t think it comes as a surprise to anyone hanging around here when I say that we have quite a toxic community at times, and I’ll admit that I myself have been on top of a few unlucky individuals that never deserved it since I started posting here(I apologize my fellow Halo Wars fans, it’s wasn’t you, it was me!).
>
> I will attempt to keep this post as short as possible, something I’m normally terrible at, but it will discuss something that usually takes both some effort from the reader and the writer, so please bear with me.
>
> We all want this community to grow. We all want this game to succeed. Even you people who come here complaining without anything good to say about it, we know that it’s because you care, and because you want it to be better, or you wouldn’t be here. As a disclaimer, I’m just going to make the statement that “better” and “good” are very much subjective terms, and that means that someone can think that this game is the best one ever made, while someone else may think the exact opposite, and neither are wrong about it.
>
> That’s the exact core of the problem though. Everyone has their mind set on what a perfect Halo Wars 2 is, and some are so passionate about it, they’ll even walk over others’ opinions without considering that their proposed change may not be for the better of everyone.
>
> Feedback is something we’ve seen aplenty since launch, and everyone wants to give their two cents, BUT it is rarely presented and/or discussed in a proper manner. Now what is a proper manner you ask?
>
> To give a common example, someone creates a topic that says “This game sucks because it’s missing content and I have to pay more and more because the team is greedy!” Now how do you solve this problem? Apply logic. There are three ways to solve this problem.
> - Apply for a refund if you’re not satisfied with the product - Depending on the problem, try to make the development team aware of the issue you’re experiencing and see if they can fix it, note that cursing at individuals and making threats will not in any way help to resolve the problem. - Do not pre-order until you’ve gotten a better understanding of the productThis above is important because you being unsatisfied with your purchase is by no means OUR problem, alright?
>
> Now for the rest of you, who are here because you enjoy the core game and don’t plan on getting a refund, how do we best help improve this game and create a better and bigger community? We should be accepting, patient, willing to communicate, and welcoming of new members of the community!
>
> Therefore, to avoid the negativity that has been going around lately, think of this:
> Presenting and/or discussing any topic is always a matter of being constructive. And this has two sub-stops on the way to a good place.
>
> Number 1: The original poster/topic creator. Make sure that you when posting a suggestion or a complaint, describe the problem in as detailed of a way as possible, in an objective manner, and that’s enough, without jumping to comments like “-Yoink- doesn’t work, crap game!”
>
> Number 2: The people commenting on a post has a lot of responsibility. You make as big of a difference by commenting as you in some cases do by not commenting. If there’s a hateful post that calls -Yoink- on everything, maybe we’re better off not responding to it and let it just sink down to the bottom of the place. If you do want to respond to such a post though, make sure that you without any sort of personal agenda respond to each point logically, and if the opposing person refuses to listen and or discuss it, then leave it be.
> Furthermore, make sure that you upvote people who are making positive and/or helpful comments that are factually correct and that has friendly intentions!
>
> TL;DR, try to make the good calls on here for the best of the community.

Great stuff!! I hope more people read this and understand it more importantly.

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> I appreciate the sentiment OP, however I think the idea you’re trying to convey is buried under some frustration with the attitude some bring here when discussing the game.
> To be honest I think the Halo Wars 2 community has been pretty courteous to each other in the larger scheme of things considering how toxic gaming is in general without taking into consideration specific game communities.
> I’d so far as to say that the Halo Wars 2 community has been one of the more pleasant ones that I’ve been a part of since Sunset Overdrive in that there are mainly positive people enjoying the game while simultaneously discussing how the game can be improved. (note that the SO community was a lot smaller than the HW2 one is so that reinforces my point even further)
> Sure there are folks in here crying foul over any little thing but the great thing is they are a small fragment of the minority of those not enjoying the game to begin with. Most folks here and online fall under the banner of “I love this game and I will constructively criticize it for the sake of improvement” with the minority falling under the “this game is whatever” category with a small portion of those “whatever” folks being the sort of folks you described.
> I don’t know if this is because inherently the RTS genre fans are generally quieter and more polite “GGs for everyone!” but there is no doubt the game simply is just that good. Was Halo Wars 2 launched flawlessly? No. Did it launch with everything working as intended? No. But it was no disaster and people know that, however people are pissed and rightfully so, the crashes, lag outs, disconnects, and even the inability to install the game is unacceptable and I am damn sure Microsoft and Xbox would be the first to tell you that (which is awesome), but people largely stayed along for the ride because it was a game that had a generally good launch that has had, up to this point, exceptional support.
> In one months time, we got our first leader with the roadmap (third week of every month) for the DLC plan, and two major patches (10GB and & GB respectively) which have solved a good amount of the problems those who were rightfully pissed off were having.
> Is the game perfect now? No. And it probably never will be, once there are zero people having disconnects, lag outs, and crashes there will be the posts that talk about how OP a unit is, or how OP a leader is, or how unbalanced Blitz is, or how the campaign missions included in the DLC weren’t what they were expecting.
> I’d say let’s not focus on the toxicity, but rather focus on the game, the love we have of it, and how we’d like to see it improve.
> -Cheers!

I do agree on the fact that this actually is one of the better communities, and I’ve seen quite a few communities, but that’s also exactly why I don’t want the “-Yoink!-” that some people bring with them to become an acceptable everyday thing. I wrote this post in the hopes of preventing it, cause I’ve seen how bad the other communities have gotten.
This frustration that people bring with them is exactly what I want people to look past when they come here! We could have such an amazing community with just a little bit of extra consideration, that’s all I’m saying.

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> > 2533274793189038;2:
> >
>
> I do agree on the fact that this actually is one of the better communities, and I’ve seen quite a few communities, but that’s also exactly why I don’t want the “-Yoink!-” that some people bring with them to become an acceptable everyday thing. I wrote this post in the hopes of preventing it, cause I’ve seen how bad the other communities have gotten.
> This frustration that people bring with them is exactly what I want people to look past when they come here! We could have such an amazing community with just a little bit of extra consideration, that’s all I’m saying.

Noted :slight_smile:

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> 2533274881110679;1:
> I don’t think it comes as a surprise to anyone hanging around here when I say that we have quite a toxic community at times, and I’ll admit that I myself have been on top of a few unlucky individuals that never deserved it since I started posting here(I apologize my fellow Halo Wars fans, it’s wasn’t you, it was me!).
>
> I will attempt to keep this post as short as possible, something I’m normally terrible at, but it will discuss something that usually takes both some effort from the reader and the writer, so please bear with me.
>
> We all want this community to grow. We all want this game to succeed. Even you people who come here complaining without anything good to say about it, we know that it’s because you care, and because you want it to be better, or you wouldn’t be here. As a disclaimer, I’m just going to make the statement that “better” and “good” are very much subjective terms, and that means that someone can think that this game is the best one ever made, while someone else may think the exact opposite, and neither are wrong about it.
>
> That’s the exact core of the problem though. Everyone has their mind set on what a perfect Halo Wars 2 is, and some are so passionate about it, they’ll even walk over others’ opinions without considering that their proposed change may not be for the better of everyone.
>
> Feedback is something we’ve seen aplenty since launch, and everyone wants to give their two cents, BUT it is rarely presented and/or discussed in a proper manner. Now what is a proper manner you ask?
>
> To give a common example, someone creates a topic that says “This game sucks because it’s missing content and I have to pay more and more because the team is greedy!” Now how do you solve this problem? Apply logic. There are three ways to solve this problem.
> - Apply for a refund if you’re not satisfied with the product - Depending on the problem, try to make the development team aware of the issue you’re experiencing and see if they can fix it, note that cursing at individuals and making threats will not in any way help to resolve the problem. - Do not pre-order until you’ve gotten a better understanding of the productThis above is important because you being unsatisfied with your purchase is by no means OUR problem, alright?
>
> Now for the rest of you, who are here because you enjoy the core game and don’t plan on getting a refund, how do we best help improve this game and create a better and bigger community? We should be accepting, patient, willing to communicate, and welcoming of new members of the community!
>
> Therefore, to avoid the negativity that has been going around lately, think of this:
> Presenting and/or discussing any topic is always a matter of being constructive. And this has two sub-stops on the way to a good place.
>
> Number 1: The original poster/topic creator. Make sure that you when posting a suggestion or a complaint, describe the problem in as detailed of a way as possible, in an objective manner, and that’s enough, without jumping to comments like “-Yoink- doesn’t work, crap game!”
>
> Number 2: The people commenting on a post has a lot of responsibility. You make as big of a difference by commenting as you in some cases do by not commenting. If there’s a hateful post that calls -Yoink- on everything, maybe we’re better off not responding to it and let it just sink down to the bottom of the place. If you do want to respond to such a post though, make sure that you without any sort of personal agenda respond to each point logically, and if the opposing person refuses to listen and or discuss it, then leave it be.
> Furthermore, make sure that you upvote people who are making positive and/or helpful comments that are factually correct and that has friendly intentions!
>
> TL;DR, try to make the good calls on here for the best of the community.

I came here thinking you were going to tell me to get good at Halo Wars 2 (Which I still haven’t! I’m sorry, haha!)

Anyway, I agree with most of everything and, we hit well with the fact of being constructively critical, but I’ll say that criticism is never a good thing to get, except some of us love it because it shows we want to improve, and people love that. What I’m saying, is that I’m not sure people are going to want to always be with the intention to say something nice, if they’re frustrated about an issue that is effecting them negatively, but without the proper explaination to call it a glitch or an issue that “happens”. I step into the shoes of many who get angry mainly because the manner of their problem looks like 343 targeting them and them only, and it only makes it worse when there’s nobody else who has their problem!

Furthermore, every subject should be followed up with a good bit of respect to the game, not to make it look like they’re just attacking it (which, albeit, has been a prominent occurrence among some of these topics), but not so much that it looks like you’re not conveying the feeling we all need to see for it to be valid! Complaining that you didn’t get the code for Halo Wars Definitive Edition, is a valid issue to take with frustration, though never, EVER insult the devs for that, lest you want me there to clear up any “unwanted guests”!

Overall, Argument is true and should be heeded by all, but humans are humans and should not act like they’re smiling even though they aren’t! Find some sort of equilibrium between anger and content, and have respect no matter where you go.

Jesus, my argument pertained to more than just Halo again, didn’t it?

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RTS game a have always harbored a toxic community from my experience.

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TL;DR: next time you see a rant, hit ‘REPORT’.

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> 2533274793189038;2:
> I appreciate the sentiment OP, however I think the idea you’re trying to convey is buried under some frustration with the attitude some bring here when discussing the game.
>
> To be honest I think the Halo Wars 2 community has been pretty courteous to each other in the larger scheme of things considering how toxic gaming is in general without taking into consideration specific game communities.
>
> I’d so far as to say that the Halo Wars 2 community has been one of the more pleasant ones that I’ve been a part of since Sunset Overdrive in that there are mainly positive people enjoying the game while simultaneously discussing how the game can be improved. (note that the SO community was a lot smaller than the HW2 one is so that reinforces my point even further)
>
> Sure there are folks in here crying foul over any little thing but the great thing is they are a small fragment of the minority of those not enjoying the game to begin with. Most folks here and online fall under the banner of “I love this game and I will constructively criticize it for the sake of improvement” with the minority falling under the “this game is whatever” category with a small portion of those “whatever” folks being the sort of folks you described.
>
> I don’t know if this is because inherently the RTS genre fans are generally quieter and more polite “GGs for everyone!” but there is no doubt the game simply is just that good. Was Halo Wars 2 launched flawlessly? No. Did it launch with everything working as intended? No. But it was no disaster and people know that, however people are pissed and rightfully so, the crashes, lag outs, disconnects, and even the inability to install the game is unacceptable and I am damn sure Microsoft and Xbox would be the first to tell you that (which is awesome), but people largely stayed along for the ride because it was a game that had a generally good launch that has had, up to this point, exceptional support.
>
> In one months time, we got our first leader with the roadmap (third week of every month) for the DLC plan, and two major patches (10GB and & GB respectively) which have solved a good amount of the problems those who were rightfully pissed off were having.
>
> Is the game perfect now? No. And it probably never will be, once there are zero people having disconnects, lag outs, and crashes there will be the posts that talk about how OP a unit is, or how OP a leader is, or how unbalanced Blitz is, or how the campaign missions included in the DLC weren’t what they were expecting.
>
> I’d say let’s not focus on the toxicity, but rather focus on the game, the love we have of it, and how we’d like to see it improve.
>
> -Cheers!

Your not reading alot of the hate I’ve been getting on here for criticizing the game apparently…in another post someone said only dedicated and true fans would buy the hw2 season pass

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> > 2533274881110679;1:
> > Long wall of text.
>
> I came here thinking you were going to tell me to get good at Halo Wars 2 (Which I still haven’t! I’m sorry, haha!)
>
> Anyway, I agree with most of everything and, we hit well with the fact of being constructively critical, but I’ll say that criticism is never a good thing to get, except some of us love it because it shows we want to improve, and people love that. What I’m saying, is that I’m not sure people are going to want to always be with the intention to say something nice, if they’re frustrated about an issue that is effecting them negatively, but without the proper explaination to call it a glitch or an issue that “happens”. I step into the shoes of many who get angry mainly because the manner of their problem looks like 343 targeting them and them only, and it only makes it worse when there’s nobody else who has their problem!
>
> Furthermore, every subject should be followed up with a good bit of respect to the game, not to make it look like they’re just attacking it (which, albeit, has been a prominent occurrence among some of these topics), but not so much that it looks like you’re not conveying the feeling we all need to see for it to be valid! Complaining that you didn’t get the code for Halo Wars Definitive Edition, is a valid issue to take with frustration, though never, EVER insult the devs for that, lest you want me there to clear up any “unwanted guests”!
>
> Overall, Argument is true and should be heeded by all, but humans are humans and should not act like they’re smiling even though they aren’t! Find some sort of equilibrium between anger and content, and have respect no matter where you go.
>
> Jesus, my argument pertained to more than just Halo again, didn’t it?

I understand the anger and the frustration. It is not unnatural of course, to be disappointed or to act based on feelings more than logic. Certain personality types have more than a tendency to do so than others, but it’s not just for the better of the community. Generally, most people won’t listen to someone going in with a very negative attitude. More often, such topics derail and turn into people being angry with each other instead of actually discussing the issue they came there to report on. I’m not asking people to not be themselves, I’m asking people to apply reason to their posts over feelings.

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> RTS game a have always harbored a toxic community from my experience.

There might be something to that yeah. At least from what I can remember, every game I’ve seen has at least had elitist groups who stand above all else and anyone who ain’t good enough isn’t welcome.

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> TL;DR: next time you see a rant, hit ‘REPORT’.

Either that, or try to talk them into reason, or don’t respond at all :slight_smile: your choice, but try not to spread the negativity further and instead be constructive :slight_smile:

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> > 2533274793189038;2:
> > Long wall of text
>
> Your not reading alot of the hate I’ve been getting on here for criticizing the game apparently…in another post someone said only dedicated and true fans would buy the hw2 season pass

Yeah, there’s definitely been a lot of negativity in the thread “I kinda wish”, a great example of how a topic can derail and become about people being mad at each other and senselessly spreading bad vibes. This is one of the topics I apologize for, I’m not really apologizing for the argument I made, but rather how I put it(to make it clear to anyone reading I wasn’t the one saying only true fans buy the season pass, I’d never say or think that, but I did make some rather unecessary remarks). EIther way, that’s kinda what this topic was about though, you were talking about the quality of the game and how you should be given things for free, and I did write up a summary of how you can solve your issue in this post, since you’re not the only one I’ve seen making that point. I personally disagree with it, but hey, if that’s what you think I should’ve just let you think that and not try to convince you otherwise!

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Well I’ve seen quite a lot of sarcasm and plain saltiness in the Halo Wars 2 forums actually, maybe it’s just those one or two individuals, but I just have a general opinion that most of the halo wars 2 community I’ve been meeting are like 20+ year olds who are hardcore RTS fans and are plain disgusted by one game Mechanic or another, or just triggered with 343 for a problem they have, and they begin writing really long rants about the gameplay aspects or the issues they hate and anyalsing them and everything. That’s fine, that’s giving constructive feedback, but then there’ll be lots of sarcasm and hate dripping visibly from their words, and there’ll be that one other guy who just can’t agree with what he wrote, and that guy writes another incredibly long rant about the subject the guy was posting about, about how he strongly disagrees, and similarly he’ll be using lots of sarcasm too. Then people get mad.

Then there’ll be that guy -Yoinking!- about the game without any evidence supporting what he said, and everyone else is gonna hate on that guy and write tons of hateful posts, a post or two gets taken down, and yeah, people get triggered. Maybe I’m exaggerating a little, I don’t think I am.

And oh my gosh the people I’ve been meeting in my Blitz and Multiplayer games. I’ve met one or two who I’ve chatted with, played a bit with, then we parted ways pretty merrily, but the truly toxic guys I’ve noticed have made me very disgusted. There’s one guy in a Multiplayer match who won me within minutes becuase he marine rushed me. I messaged him, asking him why he didn’t want to use Forge (since he should just use Forge to carry out his noob tactics, but I didn’t mention this) and I added a GRINNING YELLOW HAPPY FACE EMOJI just to show I was kidding. He responded with “if you want to be a whining -Yoink- and cry, go send over another message.” I was just horrified. He should just acknowledge that what he did was a scrub tactic, and maybe be friendly and chat with me and pretended that the whole match didn’t happen at all, but he had to respond with so much hate just because I made a minor poke at him, talk about easily butthurt people. And another match, the timer was 20 minutes into the game, I decided to Attack an enemy with an army of four scorpions and a few nightingales. He has an entire Grunt squad infantry army defending and the base I attacked has a shield and cloak. While I Attack, he messages me. I cause some damage, retreat, stuff happens in the match, me and my teammate lose. After the match, I read his message. “STOP RUSHING”. I ask him what he could possibly mean. He sends me an audio transcript, I listen and he says that I’m a noob for rushing early, that because I rushed him early I lost the game. It was bloody 20 minutes into the whole game, and I merely sent half my force to Attack, plus, he managed to defend well, he had a cloak and shield on his base for pete’s sake! My rush barely dented him, no idea what he was raging about. I wasn’t like marine spamming 5 minutes into the game!

Yeah, I’m not sure if what I said is constructive at all, just sharing about how maybe a significant part of this community can be very rage-inducing. That was kind of a warning I Guess, for u guys to stay on the lookout for annoying people like these. It was also partly a rant, just venting my frustration, sorry guys.

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> Long wall of text

Yeah, as I said people easily trigger each other, and that’s bound to happen, but I’m hoping that at least someone will be able to look past that and stop discussing before that happens at least sometimes.

Regarding your experiences with people in your games. I have to ask, isn’t it a bit hypocritical what you’re saying? Or am I reading you wrong? You say that people get mad if you use sarcasm, but then you use sarcasm on some guy who rushes you.
Furthermore, I don’t think that rushing at all should be something that people argue about. I mean, it’s just another strategy among many. Now with the nerfs to rushing, there should be plenty of ways of scouting it out and countering it early on. A rush is an expense of resources that if you fail will cost you dearly. It’s a risk-reward strat and there’s nothing wrong with it. I do understand that people were frustrated getting stomped by others who did seemingly unbeatable rushes early on, but the team has said for a while they’re going to look into it, and now they did, and now rushes are in a good place, it’s just another strategy, and shouldn’t be despised.

If you as a player are not fine with people using early agression tactics, then maybe you are not playing a game for you. It is a strategy game after all.

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> He should just acknowledge that what he did was a scrub tactic

This is why people get triggered. You call them noobs and scrubs because they use winning strategies. Did you read the OP?

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> > 2535405380102010;11:
> > Long wall of text
>
> Yeah, as I said people easily trigger each other, and that’s bound to happen, but I’m hoping that at least someone will be able to look past that and stop discussing before that happens at least sometimes.
>
> Regarding your experiences with people in your games. I have to ask, isn’t it a bit hypocritical what you’re saying? Or am I reading you wrong? You say that people get mad if you use sarcasm, but then you use sarcasm on some guy who rushes you.
> Furthermore, I don’t think that rushing at all should be something that people argue about. I mean, it’s just another strategy among many. Now with the nerfs to rushing, there should be plenty of ways of scouting it out and countering it early on. A rush is an expense of resources that if you fail will cost you dearly. It’s a risk-reward strat and there’s nothing wrong with it. I do understand that people were frustrated getting stomped by others who did seemingly unbeatable rushes early on, but the team has said for a while they’re going to look into it, and now they did, and now rushes are in a good place, it’s just another strategy, and shouldn’t be despised.
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> If you as a player are not fine with people using early agression tactics, then maybe you are not playing a game for you. It is a strategy game after all.

No you misunderstand me. I wasn’t that mad at him because he rushed me, it was mostly because of what he said post-match that ticked me off. And yes I agree with you that early-game rushing with one type of unit is just to be seen as one strategy out of many, and it has its counters (for every game I always Scout very frequently now) but you have to agree that some moves require less skill than others. Would you be more quick to respect a guy who can outthink you after a long, intense 50 minute match or a guy who without regarding the dozens of other features in the game, simple-mindedly just spams the starting unit and sends them all on you at once? Anyone can do that. Maybe he could be a really good RTS player and if he had played properly he still would have won me, but that’s beside the point. I just wanted to kid around with him post-match and he lashes out.

Like i said, I was kind of venting my frustration in a partly illogical rant. This forum is obviously not the best place to have done that, so I apologise again. Really frustrated with some people, hence the sarcasm, and I didn’t really try to hide it because I thought that there was absolutely nobody here who would have gotten offended by my tone of voice. However, the sarcasm was obviously just making me like the people I’ve labeled… lol what point was I even trying to prove. Well never mind, hope you guys weren’t offended by how audacious I was to directly contradict myself. I guess I kinda brought some salt and toxins to this pretty friendly forum thread too.Sorry guys, but I guess the community may not be that nice after all… I’ll try to write more inspiring posts next time I guess

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> > I appreciate the sentiment OP, however I think the idea you’re trying to convey is buried under some frustration with the attitude some bring here when discussing the game.
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> > To be honest I think the Halo Wars 2 community has been pretty courteous to each other in the larger scheme of things considering how toxic gaming is in general without taking into consideration specific game communities.
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> > I’d so far as to say that the Halo Wars 2 community has been one of the more pleasant ones that I’ve been a part of since Sunset Overdrive in that there are mainly positive people enjoying the game while simultaneously discussing how the game can be improved. (note that the SO community was a lot smaller than the HW2 one is so that reinforces my point even further)
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> > Sure there are folks in here crying foul over any little thing but the great thing is they are a small fragment of the minority of those not enjoying the game to begin with. Most folks here and online fall under the banner of “I love this game and I will constructively criticize it for the sake of improvement” with the minority falling under the “this game is whatever” category with a small portion of those “whatever” folks being the sort of folks you described.
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> > I don’t know if this is because inherently the RTS genre fans are generally quieter and more polite “GGs for everyone!” but there is no doubt the game simply is just that good. Was Halo Wars 2 launched flawlessly? No. Did it launch with everything working as intended? No. But it was no disaster and people know that, however people are pissed and rightfully so, the crashes, lag outs, disconnects, and even the inability to install the game is unacceptable and I am damn sure Microsoft and Xbox would be the first to tell you that (which is awesome), but people largely stayed along for the ride because it was a game that had a generally good launch that has had, up to this point, exceptional support.
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> > In one months time, we got our first leader with the roadmap (third week of every month) for the DLC plan, and two major patches (10GB and & GB respectively) which have solved a good amount of the problems those who were rightfully pissed off were having.
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> > Is the game perfect now? No. And it probably never will be, once there are zero people having disconnects, lag outs, and crashes there will be the posts that talk about how OP a unit is, or how OP a leader is, or how unbalanced Blitz is, or how the campaign missions included in the DLC weren’t what they were expecting.
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> > I’d say let’s not focus on the toxicity, but rather focus on the game, the love we have of it, and how we’d like to see it improve.
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> > -Cheers!
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> Your not reading alot of the hate I’ve been getting on here for criticizing the game apparently…in another post someone said only dedicated and true fans would buy the hw2 season pass

I didn’t mean to convey dismissal of the toxicity, you’re absolutely right that some pretty dumb things being said as you mention here. I just wanted to shine a light on the overall all state of the community, and I think it’s looking pretty good.

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I agree with Faith. As with any community, there are bad apples. But my experience with Halo Wars 2 has been a mostly positive one with more “gg’s” being sent to me than trash talking. Maybe it’s that other communities with truly toxic majorities have made me jaded (League of Legends, CoD, etc.) but Halo has, comparatively speaking, a very good community.

But can we do better? Absolutely. I know I can.

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> > Yeah, as I said people easily trigger each other, and that’s bound to happen, but I’m hoping that at least someone will be able to look past that and stop discussing before that happens at least sometimes.
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> > Regarding your experiences with people in your games. I have to ask, isn’t it a bit hypocritical what you’re saying? Or am I reading you wrong? You say that people get mad if you use sarcasm, but then you use sarcasm on some guy who rushes you.
> > Furthermore, I don’t think that rushing at all should be something that people argue about. I mean, it’s just another strategy among many. Now with the nerfs to rushing, there should be plenty of ways of scouting it out and countering it early on. A rush is an expense of resources that if you fail will cost you dearly. It’s a risk-reward strat and there’s nothing wrong with it. I do understand that people were frustrated getting stomped by others who did seemingly unbeatable rushes early on, but the team has said for a while they’re going to look into it, and now they did, and now rushes are in a good place, it’s just another strategy, and shouldn’t be despised.
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> > If you as a player are not fine with people using early agression tactics, then maybe you are not playing a game for you. It is a strategy game after all.
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> No you misunderstand me. I wasn’t that mad at him because he rushed me, it was mostly because of what he said post-match that ticked me off. And yes I agree with you that early-game rushing with one type of unit is just to be seen as one strategy out of many, and it has its counters (for every game I always Scout very frequently now) but you have to agree that some moves require less skill than others. Would you be more quick to respect a guy who can outthink you after a long, intense 50 minute match or a guy who without regarding the dozens of other features in the game, simple-mindedly just spams the starting unit and sends them all on you at once? Anyone can do that. Maybe he could be a really good RTS player and if he had played properly he still would have won me, but that’s beside the point. I just wanted to kid around with him post-match and he lashes out.
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> Like i said, I was kind of venting my frustration in a partly illogical rant. This forum is obviously not the best place to have done that, so I apologise again. Really frustrated with some people, hence the sarcasm, and I didn’t really try to hide it because I thought that there was absolutely nobody here who would have gotten offended by my tone of voice. However, the sarcasm was obviously just making me like the people I’ve labeled… lol what point was I even trying to prove. Well never mind, hope you guys weren’t offended by how audacious I was to directly contradict myself. I guess I kinda brought some salt and toxins to this pretty friendly forum thread too.Sorry guys, but I guess the community may not be that nice after all… I’ll try to write more inspiring posts next time I guess

It’s all fine, and naturally I agree with you regarding the different strategies requiring different amounts of skill. Naturally the more complicated ones to pull off should be better, but that can’t always be the case sadly. Personally I tend to blame myself more when people pull a lame strategy on me that beats me, but I’m sure there are times when the game is to blame as well, which is why we need constructive criticism :wink: