I think 343i deserves a little respite

While I do agree with your position, I also agree with not smiting 343i just because they made a mistake regarding both the customization system and the progression system. The problem relies in the fact that 343i changed their opinion when it came to the customization being available to everyone, as was the norm in Halo.
Despite that, lots of flighters spoke against 343i having no progression or incentive to Play to Win, both gaining X or Y per match/medal/performance and gaining any customization options simply by playing. Despite that, the battlepass system in the pre-Beta flights were very easy to complete. This one is a gatekeeping version, supposed to take considerable amounts of time for the paying player, and even more so for the non-paying player.

I don’t condemn 343 per se, but rather whoever made the decision not to reward the players for achieving X or Y, not rewarding the mentality to win but rather playing in a specific way to complete missions (343i was against this as well), making the battlepass even slower than it was (they only had to add more stages, since they were very few in the flights). The armor coating system is another thing that 343 made clear that it wouldn’t be the case that we can see right now. They specifically said that everything could be used on every coating, especially since people would attain exclusive customization options via buying certain things like the Funko Pop figures or the Razer gear bundle, among others. Regardless, they chose to take, yet again, an anti-consumer approach.

Despite all that is wrong and anti-consumer, Infinite is amazing in terms of gameplay and it is very fun to play. It’s just that it’s very hard to see past the downsides, especially when 343 is doing everything they said they wouldn’t do. And, to be fair, I don’t blame the game developers who have shown tremendous passion throughout all stages of development and communication with the Insider/Halo community but whoever made the decision to make the game so predatory.

Anyways, and to conclude, I understand that this was bound to happen simply due to the fact that Halo turned Free to Play but it’s still a pill hard to swallow.

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I would like to clarify that my message of support at no time wants to defend or justify the decisions made with the BP or the monetization system.

I have hope things will get in the right direction. There are alot of angry people right now but some of us like myself keeping my cool about it.

Leave it to the female avatar to turn everyone in this forums into gentlemen and not raging Jiralhane.

I can be a raging ßrute at any given moment.

It will make you laugh, but I am a man :sweat_smile: :laughing:

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They’ve made a few posts here and there on different sites like Twitter I think and even posts here about how they’ve been listening to feedback about how we currently feel regarding the game itself, the monetization problem, and the progression system. And yes, they are likely out of the office for a few days because of Thanksgiving break, so it won’t be until maybe Saturday or Monday before we hear from them.

However, even if they claim to have heard/read our concerns, that doesn’t mean things are going to change instantaneously. We have to remember that it’s not about just moving some numbers. They have to have something to put in the place of what they remove. So if they do remove the heavy pricing of everything, they’re gonna need a replacement system so that people can still earn things.

While I’m certain no one likes the price system we have now, a lot of people might be insulted if everything was just unlocked for us. So it might take a bit of time, mostly because they’re also working on a better progression system at the same time.

They’re blinded by the beauty of your avatar’s glorious Jon Romero haircut :rofl:

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Hair reaches more than half of my back :rofl:

By the way, they have responded by twitter and have confirmed that they have gone on vacation, so I would really take this week off with the forum because I don’t think much is going to be done now.

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Absolutely. The developers deserve a break and a box of pumpkin donuts, they’ve been busting their rears for this game.

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Yeah I don’t mind them giving devs a break; I just want someone to confirm that they are going to fix the monetization and progression limitations, the horrendous system they have set up right now, and the major gameplay issues (radar, friendly fire, collisions, shield recharge delay, vehicle physics, etc.) that so many are complaining about.

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343 employees really deserve that vacation week. They did a great job with the game.

However, Microsoft executives and marketing team must stop screwing around because they’re killing their own golden goose.

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Precisely why i said female avatar lmao

Killing the golden goose that Bungie created for them and they’ve been squeezing for years, more like.

Every time we’ve been told to be patient, it’s gotten worse.

Do not be patient. Keep pressing, keep screaming.

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I think I deserve a little respite from predatory monetization practices

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theres the trouble of which type of feedback is presented some are constructive and welcomed. others are more of the ‘why’d you do this is I dont care if you di better you suck get out of this business now!’ which is somthign that no one wants

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oh you mean give negative feedback cause that what these posts have devolved to feedback is fine and needed just dont go all negative that will result in nothing happening

I am sure they did work hard, but nobody forced them to release multiplayer early. They made that decision, for whatever reasons, all on their own, and they can accept the consequences and benefits of that decision. There is no reason the game couldn’t have waited until the 8th when it was supposed to release. That would have given them a few more weeks to refine things and re-evaluate the more minor details (battle pass progression, store pricing, challenge difficulties, etc.). But instead, they released the product early, in what can only be assumed an attempt at cashing in on some of that Black Friday/holiday spending money that is coming around.

Yes, they deserve their time off, and I know they work hard to release their products in a timely and functional manner. That being said, teachers don’t give us an A for effort. You get the grade you deserve based on the product you put forth. While I anticipate the changes (if any come at all) will be either mid-December or mid-January, that doesn’t excuse the fact they released a product their consumers are unhappy with and it doesn’t exempt them from said criticism either.

I like your approach of looking at it from a more pragmatic viewpoint. It is something we should all strive for before writing out rage-induced forum posts, but I do believe the criticism they are facing is well deserved for the product we received.

Gameplay is great.
Everything else leaves a lot to be desired.