I say Future Weapons

Games Other Halo
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Time to put the inevitable to bed.

With BLOPS 2 coming out, going for a near-sci-fi approach, several modern day battle tactics and projects will be noticed and griped about as being noticeably absent from the Halo-verse.

Here’s why Halo makes sci-fi sense:

  1. WHY NO CAN HAZ DROIDS?

-Despite being set in the distant future, droid (robot controlled, or computer piloted craft) machines are absent. Was this an oversight? Why have spartans in those robot suits when you could just have robots? Why are all UNSC craft manned (when the U.S. is currently pursuing a host a droid options)?

The answer is obvious. Control. In the Halo-verse, cyber warfare has advanced to ridiculous measures. A.I.'s now rule the day, capable of autonomous cyber warfare at a speed that no humans could keep up with.

Any robotic craft must be one of two things: controlled via electromagnetic waves at a distance, creating a hackable data stream, or self contained and fully autonomous.

-If its controlled by a data stream, your weapon can be hacked and turned against you. (Note: This is obviously the plot of BLOPS 2). With cyber warfare in the Halo-verse being so advanced and unpredictable, would it not make sense to avoid giving the enemy a chance to steal all your guns and point them at your head? Strangely enough, people are more easily controlled, expendable and reliable. Human pilots are a cheaper, safer bet.

-If its autonomous, is it an A.I.? A.I.s that are advanced enough in the Halo-verse to be better and faster at finding and shooting the right targets than the biological processor of the human brain have a drawback known as rampancy, and it would be risky to have an army of rampant self contained robots deciding to terminate the human race. Also that -Yoink- would be expensive, and less cost efficient than human boots on the ground or in the vehicles.

-EMP tech. EMP’s can temporarily shut down vehicles using electronics in Halo, but there are restart measures (unlike modern tech that gets fried). But there could be some problems having an A.I. get emp’d and coming back online to work just fine. No reason to think the human race ever found an answer to that problem.

So there you have it, why in Halo there are no robots autonomously controlling vehicles or pilot-less craft.

  1. WHY NO CAN HAZ ADVANCED GUNS

This one is especially bull -Yoink-. Halo firearms make sense as firearms are very efficient, and aren’t going anywhere. Lasers are inefficient, and only work as high energy consumption large weapons anyway, and as you can see, humans are just getting around to making railguns efficiently portable in Halo.

Also, the weapons in Halo all are a step above Modern weapons in one key area, HOW MUCH DAMAGE THEY CAN DISH OUT IN A CONTROLLABLE WAY. For example the AR uses the same round as an M14. Ever seen someone fire one full auto? Go look it up on youtube. It’s hard to control. It’s a heavy battle rifle round. So obviously in the future they have neat ways to control recoil better.

The BR uses a large fictitious round that is beastly. The sniper round is also fictitious, but its specs are insanely powerful (More so than a .50 cal Barret, our current giant -Yoink- sniper rifle). The shotgun is a pump, which sounds dumb when considering the AA12 fully auto shotgun of real life, until you realize its an 8 gauge. The damn thing is practically a punt gun (youtube can help to see real life 8 gauge.)

Why does the UNSC skew for more power, and in some cases, less accuracy than modern firearms? BODY ARMOR. Armor technology has advanced, allowing even lowly marines to survive multiple direct hit with powerful rounds when absorbed by their armor (I’m sure it would hurt though). So they need more power to be effective. Guns still kill, just not as easily as they used to. I’m sure an AA12 would be dishing out rapid fire beestings in the Halo verse.

SO THE POINT OF THIS LONG WINDED STORY IS THAT THE HALO-VERSE CAN NOT BE LEGITIMATELY MOCKED AS A STUPID, SHORT SIGHTED SCI-FI.

The best part is, all these points of fiction lead to better gameplay than stupid COD and at least Halo makes sense out of the common gameplay conceit of living through multiple bullets. THE END

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> Time to put the inevitable to bed.
>
> With BLOPS 2 coming out, going for a near-sci-fi approach, several modern day battle tactics and projects will be noticed and griped about as being noticeably absent from the Halo-verse.
>
> Here’s why Halo makes sci-fi sense:
>
> 1) WHY NO CAN HAZ DROIDS?
>
> -Despite being set in the distant future, droid (robot controlled, or computer piloted craft) machines are absent. Was this an oversight? Why have spartans in those robot suits when you could just have robots? Why are all UNSC craft manned (when the U.S. is currently pursuing a host a droid options)?
>
> The answer is obvious. Control. In the Halo-verse, cyber warfare has advanced to ridiculous measures. A.I.'s now rule the day, capable of autonomous cyber warfare at a speed that no humans could keep up with.
>
> Any robotic craft must be one of two things: controlled via electromagnetic waves at a distance, creating a hackable data stream, or self contained and fully autonomous.
>
> -If its controlled by a data stream, your weapon can be hacked and turned against you. (Note: This is obviously the plot of BLOPS 2). With cyber warfare in the Halo-verse being so advanced and unpredictable, would it not make sense to avoid giving the enemy a chance to steal all your guns and point them at your head? Strangely enough, people are more easily controlled, expendable and reliable. Human pilots are a cheaper, safer bet.
>
> -If its autonomous, is it an A.I.? A.I.s that are advanced enough in the Halo-verse to be better and faster at finding and shooting the right targets than the biological processor of the human brain have a drawback known as rampancy, and it would be risky to have an army of rampant self contained robots deciding to terminate the human race. Also that Yoink! would be expensive, and less cost efficient than human boots on the ground or in the vehicles.
>
> -EMP tech. EMP’s can temporarily shut down vehicles using electronics in Halo, but there are restart measures (unlike modern tech that gets fried). But there could be some problems having an A.I. get emp’d and coming back online to work just fine. No reason to think the human race ever found an answer to that problem.
>
> So there you have it, why in Halo there are no robots autonomously controlling vehicles or pilot-less craft.
>
>
> 2) WHY NO CAN HAZ ADVANCED GUNS
>
> This one is especially bull Yoink!. Halo firearms make sense as firearms are very efficient, and aren’t going anywhere. Lasers are inefficient, and only work as high energy consumption large weapons anyway, and as you can see, humans are just getting around to making railguns efficiently portable in Halo.
>
> Also, the weapons in Halo all are a step above Modern weapons in one key area, HOW MUCH DAMAGE THEY CAN DISH OUT IN A CONTROLLABLE WAY. For example the AR uses the same round as an M14. Ever seen someone fire one full auto? Go look it up on youtube. It’s hard to control. It’s a heavy battle rifle round. So obviously in the future they have neat ways to control recoil better.
>
> The BR uses a large fictitious round that is beastly. The sniper round is also fictitious, but its specs are insanely powerful (More so than a .50 cal Barret, our current giant -Yoink!- sniper rifle). The shotgun is a pump, which sounds dumb when considering the AA12 fully auto shotgun of real life, until you realize its an 8 gauge. The damn thing is practically a punt gun (youtube can help to see real life 8 gauge.)
>
> Why does the UNSC skew for more power, and in some cases, less accuracy than modern firearms? BODY ARMOR. Armor technology has advanced, allowing even lowly marines to survive multiple direct hit with powerful rounds when absorbed by their armor (I’m sure it would hurt though). So they need more power to be effective. Guns still kill, just not as easily as they used to. I’m sure an AA12 would be dishing out rapid fire beestings in the Halo verse.
>
> SO THE POINT OF THIS LONG WINDED STORY IS THAT THE HALO-VERSE CAN NOT BE LEGITIMATELY MOCKED AS A STUPID, SHORT SIGHTED SCI-FI.
>
> The best part is, all these points of fiction lead to better gameplay than stupid COD and at least Halo makes sense out of the common gameplay conceit of living through multiple bullets. THE END

I could craft an entire paragraph to express just how elegant and well-constructed this post is, but in these cases I find simplicity to carry the furthest meaning:
I tip my hat to you, sir.

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yes

yes

…and yes

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Add in the vehicles. With things we’ve seen vehicles are easy (the main ones) to make and to deploy. But a few draw backs, but elaborate on the vehicles please. And let’s not turn this into a purely cod vs halo thread, perhaps technology wise okay.

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Really like this especially the tips to check out comparison videos. Puts a lot of it in perspective. Also the guns have to be designed to be reliable. They are being used on different planets, in different environments, and still working, that should be a testament to the leaps in tech.

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So…

Why make your own thread rather than just reply to mine?

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There are plenty of Drones and spacecraft piloted by dumb AI.
Spacecraft in the books,
Drones were in ODST.
So your whole post, while well put together, is pretty much false.

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> Add in the vehicles. With things we’ve seen vehicles are easy (the main ones) to make and to deploy. But a few draw backs, but elaborate on the vehicles please. And let’s not turn this into a purely cod vs halo thread, perhaps technology wise okay.

This isn’t PRIMARILY a COD vs Halo thread, although I do think COD is not even close to Halo in terms of gameplay, and since the franchise is taking its gang of diehards that think they are cooler for playing a realistic war simulator (it isn’t, now arma II…) for a ride into sci-fi land, some will inevitably draw comparisons to the tech in that game verses Halo, call it realistic and Halo unrealistic. smh

As to vehicles a lot could be said…I dunno if its all worth getting into.

Obviously they have modern vehicles beat in the all-terrain category, which is important for fighting in undeveloped worlds with no roads. (Scorpion’s four track, Warthog’s wacky segmented suspension with four wheel drive AND STEERING that kick’s -Yoink-, Dropships (what the military wouldn’t give for one of those…no more black hawk down))

There’s some little things, that are for gameplay, like the warthogs open cockpit and expose gunner that might be a little harder to justify, but it could be. The Warthog is a fast, go anywhere recon vehicle and its turret setup allows quicker target acquisition…and its “exposed” cockpit is for rapid exit and entry of the passengers.

Perhaps with Halo weapons being quick is better at keeping you alive than a little extra armor, plus it allows the passenger to shoot more freely. In other words, dishing it out’s more important than extra armor.

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> So…
>
> Why make your own thread rather than just reply to mine?

isn’t it obvious? I was gonna post on yours, but hey wall of text, you know? i needed my own thread

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Also, Humanity has been focused more on keeping their people alive in the face of an incredibly advanced alien conglomerate thsm developing AI for everything, They were getting their factories constantly destroyed and their fleets pushed back, while AI was still manning a majority of the fleet. (with Dumb AIs.)Not to mention the problem with Rampancy, the AI going crazy after 7 years, which would mean frequent recalls to prevent more losses from faulty machinery.
The Weapons? Purely balancing reasons. in I-Love-Bees, there’s an ONI assassin that uses a weapon that shoots sound to liquify organs from the inside, as well as an interrogation device that tortures the victim whenever they think badly of the torturer.

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If I may address vehicles. . .

As stated above UNSC vehicles are simple to make and deploy. Most of the UNSC vehicles have been around for decades. For example the Scorpion is a 30 year old design. The UNSC has pretty much perfected vehicle tech over the past 500 years. After all, there’s only so much you can do with an ATV before it really can’t get any better. I’ll use the Pelican as an example. It’s designed to be a dropship/troop transport, It’s got an armored troop compartment, a cockpit with good visibility, and a chin mounted gun. It’s fairly fast, very maneuverable, extremely durable, and can air drop pretty much all but the absolute largest vehicles into combat. We see a slight modification to it in Halo 4, with the apparant addition of side gunners, but they have the disadvantage of being outside the armor, exposed to enemy fire. So is that really an improvement? Sure they could make a bigger dropship, or a faster one, or a more heavily armed one, but why bother? The Pelican works just fine as is, and the UNSC has other vehicles that fill those roles. The Hornet, Falcon, even fighters like the Saber and Longsword. And one of the best parts about the Hhalo universe is that it’s so big there exists the potential for countless other vehicles we haven’t even seen yet.

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> There are plenty of Drones and spacecraft piloted by dumb AI.
> Spacecraft in the books,
> Drones were in ODST.
> So your whole post, while well put together, is pretty much false.

UNSC drones in ODST? I don’t recall. The A.I. in the spacecraft has a job, but there are humans inside to take it offline an pilot it manual if need be.

Besides, I’m giving the reason for it not being prevalent, I’m assuming they develop the tech at some point and still use it to a limited degree. It’s just not they’re main way of doing things.

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> Time to put the inevitable to bed.
>
> With BLOPS 2 coming out, going for a near-sci-fi approach, several modern day battle tactics and projects will be noticed and griped about as being noticeably absent from the Halo-verse.
>
> Here’s why Halo makes sci-fi sense:
>
> 1) WHY NO CAN HAZ DROIDS?
>
> <mark>-Despite being set in the distant future, droid (robot controlled, or computer piloted craft) machines are absent.</mark> Was this an oversight? Why have spartans in those robot suits when you could just have robots? Why are all UNSC craft manned (when the U.S. is currently pursuing a host a droid options)?
>
> The answer is obvious. Control. In the Halo-verse, cyber warfare has advanced to ridiculous measures. A.I.'s now rule the day, capable of autonomous cyber warfare at a speed that no humans could keep up with.
>
> Any robotic craft must be one of two things: controlled via electromagnetic waves at a distance, creating a hackable data stream, or self contained and fully autonomous.
>
> -If its controlled by a data stream, your weapon can be hacked and turned against you. (Note: This is obviously the plot of BLOPS 2). With cyber warfare in the Halo-verse being so advanced and unpredictable, would it not make sense to avoid giving the enemy a chance to steal all your guns and point them at your head? Strangely enough, people are more easily controlled, expendable and reliable. Human pilots are a cheaper, safer bet.
>
> -If its autonomous, is it an A.I.? A.I.s that are advanced enough in the Halo-verse to be better and faster at finding and shooting the right targets than the biological processor of the human brain have a drawback known as rampancy, and it would be risky to have an army of rampant self contained robots deciding to terminate the human race. Also that Yoink! would be expensive, and less cost efficient than human boots on the ground or in the vehicles.
>
> -EMP tech. EMP’s can temporarily shut down vehicles using electronics in Halo, but there are restart measures (unlike modern tech that gets fried). But there could be some problems having an A.I. get emp’d and coming back online to work just fine. No reason to think the human race ever found an answer to that problem.
>
> So there you have it, why in Halo there are no robots autonomously controlling vehicles or pilot-less craft.
>
>
> 2) WHY NO CAN HAZ ADVANCED GUNS
>
> This one is especially bull Yoink!. Halo firearms make sense as firearms are very efficient, and aren’t going anywhere. Lasers are inefficient, and only work as high energy consumption large weapons anyway, and as you can see, humans are just getting around to making railguns efficiently portable in Halo.
>
> Also, the weapons in Halo all are a step above Modern weapons in one key area, HOW MUCH DAMAGE THEY CAN DISH OUT IN A CONTROLLABLE WAY. For example the AR uses the same round as an M14. Ever seen someone fire one full auto? Go look it up on youtube. It’s hard to control. It’s a heavy battle rifle round. So obviously in the future they have neat ways to control recoil better.
>
> The BR uses a large fictitious round that is beastly. The sniper round is also fictitious, but its specs are insanely powerful (More so than a .50 cal Barret, our current giant -Yoink!- sniper rifle). The shotgun is a pump, which sounds dumb when considering the AA12 fully auto shotgun of real life, until you realize its an 8 gauge. The damn thing is practically a punt gun (youtube can help to see real life 8 gauge.)
>
> Why does the UNSC skew for more power, and in some cases, less accuracy than modern firearms? BODY ARMOR. Armor technology has advanced, allowing even lowly marines to survive multiple direct hit with powerful rounds when absorbed by their armor (I’m sure it would hurt though). So they need more power to be effective. Guns still kill, just not as easily as they used to. I’m sure an AA12 would be dishing out rapid fire beestings in the Halo verse.
>
> SO THE POINT OF THIS LONG WINDED STORY IS THAT THE HALO-VERSE CAN NOT BE LEGITIMATELY MOCKED AS A STUPID, SHORT SIGHTED SCI-FI.
>
> The best part is, all these points of fiction lead to better gameplay than stupid COD and at least Halo makes sense out of the common gameplay conceit of living through multiple bullets. THE END

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one word: Forerunners.

the Forerunners made an AI (droid as you could say), sent it to a Gravemind, and that AI (droid) forced the Forerunners to fire the Halos.

also, Sentinels do count, so at least the Forerunners did this.

however, UNSC forces didn’t know about this story for 500 and a half years, so I can’t see why droids haven’t been issued. possibly the rampancy of AIs made the UNSC fear droids would have the same problem, or as BO2 has issued, hacked by the enemy. imagine the UNSC relying on droids, then the Covenant’s superior tech hacked the droids, leaving the UNSC highly defenseless. but Spartans will have always happened; super soldiers is just a no-brainer if it’s possible, and controllable.

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> > Time to put the inevitable to bed.
> >
> > With BLOPS 2 coming out, going for a near-sci-fi approach, several modern day battle tactics and projects will be noticed and griped about as being noticeably absent from the Halo-verse.
> >
> > Here’s why Halo makes sci-fi sense:
> >
> > 1) WHY NO CAN HAZ DROIDS?
> >
> > <mark>-Despite being set in the distant future, droid (robot controlled, or computer piloted craft) machines are absent.</mark> Was this an oversight? Why have spartans in those robot suits when you could just have robots? Why are all UNSC craft manned (when the U.S. is currently pursuing a host a droid options)?
> >
> > The answer is obvious. Control. In the Halo-verse, cyber warfare has advanced to ridiculous measures. A.I.'s now rule the day, capable of autonomous cyber warfare at a speed that no humans could keep up with.
> >
> > Any robotic craft must be one of two things: controlled via electromagnetic waves at a distance, creating a hackable data stream, or self contained and fully autonomous.
> >
> > -If its controlled by a data stream, your weapon can be hacked and turned against you. (Note: This is obviously the plot of BLOPS 2). With cyber warfare in the Halo-verse being so advanced and unpredictable, would it not make sense to avoid giving the enemy a chance to steal all your guns and point them at your head? Strangely enough, people are more easily controlled, expendable and reliable. Human pilots are a cheaper, safer bet.
> >
> > -If its autonomous, is it an A.I.? A.I.s that are advanced enough in the Halo-verse to be better and faster at finding and shooting the right targets than the biological processor of the human brain have a drawback known as rampancy, and it would be risky to have an army of rampant self contained robots deciding to terminate the human race. Also that Yoink! would be expensive, and less cost efficient than human boots on the ground or in the vehicles.
> >
> > -EMP tech. EMP’s can temporarily shut down vehicles using electronics in Halo, but there are restart measures (unlike modern tech that gets fried). But there could be some problems having an A.I. get emp’d and coming back online to work just fine. No reason to think the human race ever found an answer to that problem.
> >
> > So there you have it, why in Halo there are no robots autonomously controlling vehicles or pilot-less craft.
> >
> >
> > 2) WHY NO CAN HAZ ADVANCED GUNS
> >
> > This one is especially bull Yoink!. Halo firearms make sense as firearms are very efficient, and aren’t going anywhere. Lasers are inefficient, and only work as high energy consumption large weapons anyway, and as you can see, humans are just getting around to making railguns efficiently portable in Halo.
> >
> > Also, the weapons in Halo all are a step above Modern weapons in one key area, HOW MUCH DAMAGE THEY CAN DISH OUT IN A CONTROLLABLE WAY. For example the AR uses the same round as an M14. Ever seen someone fire one full auto? Go look it up on youtube. It’s hard to control. It’s a heavy battle rifle round. So obviously in the future they have neat ways to control recoil better.
> >
> > The BR uses a large fictitious round that is beastly. The sniper round is also fictitious, but its specs are insanely powerful (More so than a .50 cal Barret, our current giant -Yoink!- sniper rifle). The shotgun is a pump, which sounds dumb when considering the AA12 fully auto shotgun of real life, until you realize its an 8 gauge. The damn thing is practically a punt gun (youtube can help to see real life 8 gauge.)
> >
> > Why does the UNSC skew for more power, and in some cases, less accuracy than modern firearms? BODY ARMOR. Armor technology has advanced, allowing even lowly marines to survive multiple direct hit with powerful rounds when absorbed by their armor (I’m sure it would hurt though). So they need more power to be effective. Guns still kill, just not as easily as they used to. I’m sure an AA12 would be dishing out rapid fire beestings in the Halo verse.
> >
> > SO THE POINT OF THIS LONG WINDED STORY IS THAT THE HALO-VERSE CAN NOT BE LEGITIMATELY MOCKED AS A STUPID, SHORT SIGHTED SCI-FI.
> >
> > The best part is, all these points of fiction lead to better gameplay than stupid COD and at least Halo makes sense out of the common gameplay conceit of living through multiple bullets. THE END
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9o5bxqu

Cool a sentinel.

Forerunner tech. The point of this thread is people questioning the minor at best use of drones, droids, whatever by the UNSC given the fact that we are on the verge of large scale drone implementation in modern day by the U.S. military. Why would the human race digress? I tried to answer that question. Of course the forerunner use drones heavily b/c they are more advanced and have worked around the problems I brought up.

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> > There are plenty of Drones and spacecraft piloted by dumb AI.
> > Spacecraft in the books,
> > Drones were in ODST.
> > So your whole post, while well put together, is pretty much false.
>
> UNSC drones in ODST? I don’t recall. The A.I. in the spacecraft has a job, but there are humans inside to take it offline an pilot it manual if need be.
>
> Besides, I’m giving the reason for it not being prevalent, I’m assuming they develop the tech at some point and still use it to a limited degree. It’s just not they’re main way of doing things.

Argus Drone
F-99
and they’re probably would be very prevalent if the UNSC could spare the time and effort into making these. but they can’t, since they were fighting a defensive war almost all throughout the 30 year Human-Covenant War.
You have to understand that, besides the Innies, they weren’t fighting a war before then, they had no need for automated drones.
Let’s not forget that, let’s assume for a moment BLOPS2 was canon to Halo, the UNSC probably doesn’t want a bunch of rebels killing entire planets with Marathon class cruisers piloted by re-programmed AI.

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Well said

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> F-99

Hey those are pretty cool. I forgot about them. I’ve played through ODST, but since they’re only mentioned that one time it didn’t stick. Think we’ll ever be able to use them? I doubt they’d have a place in multiplayer, but it would be a neat set piece for Campaign or Spartan-Ops.

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Gentleman…

I take a bow to you good sir

Bows

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Well imagine UNSC versus black ops era military.

One UNSC AI, bye bye!

Deploying things in an urban setting would be easier with the UNSC. Imagine the UNSC attacking New York city. The pelicans and albatrosses would come down into parks, parking lots, etc. the big park could be the emplacement for a base/firebase. And then imagine longswords fighting off enemy jets, UNSC smart AIs could hack into drones, storming the UN headquarters shouldn’t be too hard. The drones are taken over, UNSC personnel storms everything so fast causing a state of disorientation and panic. Hornets and falcons would easily provide fast mobile and easy to drop in and drop out troops as well as air to ground support. Fun.

There is indeed limited robot usage, just not on such a huge scale that it could cause a big potential threat.