Could an EMP device the size of a Pelican bay, once aboard a UNSC ship, short circuit all of its systems? Would that be something capable of an EMP device? Would a UNSC ship be vulnerable to an EMP? Please post if you have the slightest clue about EMPs.
I would like to know if this kind of thing would be possible.
> Could an EMP device the size of a Pelican bay, once aboard a UNSC ship, short circuit all of its systems? Would that be something capable of an EMP device? Would a UNSC ship be vulnerable to an EMP? Please post if you have the slightest clue about EMPs.
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> I would like to know if this kind of thing would be possible.
I hope I can help: Electromagnetic pulses has basically three elements which happen one after one. The first is a very quickly expansion of energy giving a very high voltaje to electronics, so almost every electronic in the UNSC ship inside this phase’s radius most likely will be corrupted, but apparently Noble Team’s MJOLNIR can’t be affected by this.
The second is a lower expansive wave which inducts energy in a way similar to a thunderbolt’s, so most electronics designed to endure an electrical storm should survive. I doubt UNSC ships have that kind of protection but in their hulls.
And the final one is a very very slow one brings heat and alows the atmosphere to come back to the original electromagnetic status before the first one, maybe causing abrupt changes related to atmospherical preassure. I think that UNSC ship’s decks near the place of detonation and consecuently damaged wouldn’t experiment this since they’re in space, but vacuum’s force is much more aggresive. And don’t know about isolating those spaces before all the atmosphere in the craft is vented…
The biggest problem with EMP for UNSC ships would be the isolating of those overcharges in the electrical stream, I don’t really know if they could spread to all the ship and make it unoperable.
Hmm that’s interesting. Thank you. I ask because I’m working on a fan fiction project and was wondering if an EMP device could be weaponised to temporarily disable a UNSC ship. You’ve left me with the impression that it would be plausible.
Maybe something similar to this device would be fitting.
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By using Faraday cages you can harden anything to the EMP.
It may take multiple layers of cages for the most intense EMPs but you can use them like the MJOLNIR suits use hydrostatic-gel to transfer the kinetic energy around the wearer, but in this case, it’s electromagnetic energy.
> By using Faraday cages you can harden anything to the EMP.
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> It may take multiple layers of cages for the most intense EMPs but you can use them like the MJOLNIR suits use hydrostatic-gel to transfer the kinetic energy around the wearer, but in this case, it’s electromagnetic energy.
You’re a freakin genius at every subject, aren’t u?
So basically, the ship in question can’t have any Faraday cages in order for my EMP story to make sense?
> > By using Faraday cages you can harden anything to the EMP.
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> > It may take multiple layers of cages for the most intense EMPs but you can use them like the MJOLNIR suits use hydrostatic-gel to transfer the kinetic energy around the wearer, but in this case, it’s electromagnetic energy.
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> You’re a freakin genius at every subject, aren’t u?
Not at all. I’m not always 100% accurate and I believe that “magic” is a word to describe the feeling of “I am ignorant at the moment to how that was done, allow me to discover how you did that.”
> So basically, the ship in question can’t have any Faraday cages in order for my EMP story to make sense?
The short answer is, probably not, but in fiction, why not? We can make it happen.
The reasons in concept form:
First, EMPs are a burst of electromagnetic radiation. EMR is the manipulation/vibration of the nearly pure wave side of the particle-wave theory of light. Radiowaves, Microwaves, Infrared, Visible, Ultraviolet, Xray, Gammaray, they’re all part of the electromagnetic spectrum that exists just under the pure side. The higher you go, the closer to particle-wave purity you get.
So understand EMPs occur as nearly pure function of waves. Way down in the radio and microwave side of things. That is the key to blocking them.
Because if they were pure particle functions, we’d have hardlight or very dangerous gamma-rays acting as only 1 half… And if they were high intensity particle-waves, we’d have a laser (can replace L with any section of the EM-spectrum).
The quicker the field builds up, the easier it is to harden against. The slower a field builds up, the less “shock” effect it has on the electrons of anything electronic that manipulates said electrons very close to the atomic level.
Crashing waves will break any barrier. It does not matter what barrier it is. If you can find the right frequency of the proper magnitudes of multiple bursts of EMR, then you can cause a disruption inside the cage. Not as intense as the ones effecting it, but you can cause enough damage for the desired effect. The technology to do this is where sci-fi comes in. The amount of energy required in such a small space is only available in the future.
Now I said multiple layers of cages because you can place another cage inside a cage. If that cage is isolated from the other cage, it is exponentially hardened.
All enclosed metal cases are a from of Faraday cage. The design of an UNSC exo-ship (space faring vessel) isn’t optimal for tactical EMPs but many high frequencies are already blocked the hull’s thickness. I suspect the designs for many of Halo’s ships are that they do account for multiple isolated sections of cages to help guard against space flight as is. The entire hull itself acts as ground and is generating its own EM field (see #6) while individual sections are cages themselves grounded to the hull.
In space, if you don’t have you’re own EM-field, then you are exposed to every cosmic-rays, particles and magnetic field to come your way. UNSC ships must polarize their hull with a strong field to protect themselves while in a solar system and from random particles in space. This helps protect against cosmic-ray penetration and the magnetic barrier needs to be stripped energetically by any stray EMP that exists while traveling near a celestial or inside a gas/plasma cloud. Then that left over energy has the hull and then the individual hardened areas to get through. I believe that part if not all of this field is generated by excess heat converted into magnetic energy (and can be augmented by the FTL).
If a ship has an FTL, then the engine room is already a hardened room from the rest of the ship. It needs to be breached personally.
All bridge and essential systems would be isolated and hardened individually. They need to be breached personally.
The EMP’s effectiveness in the docking bay is determined by the size and design of the ship. An EMP inside the Trafalgar’s bays probably would only be a very local disruption. The paramagnetic nature of titanium would absorb the majority of the field. An EMP could reinforce that ship’s generated EMF.
So if you can get around or use these to your advantage, then yes you can to a degree. But no it isn’t as simple as parking your device in the docking bay unless it’s a small enough ship.
> > > By using Faraday cages you can harden anything to the EMP.
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> > > It may take multiple layers of cages for the most intense EMPs but you can use them like the MJOLNIR suits use hydrostatic-gel to transfer the kinetic energy around the wearer, but in this case, it’s electromagnetic energy.
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> > You’re a freakin genius at every subject, aren’t u?
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> Not at all. I’m not always 100% accurate and I believe that “magic” is a word to describe the feeling of “I am ignorant at the moment to how that was done, allow me to discover how you did that.”
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> > So basically, the ship in question can’t have any Faraday cages in order for my EMP story to make sense?
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> The short answer is, probably not, but in fiction, why not? We can make it happen.
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> The reasons in concept form:
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> 1) First, EMPs are a burst of electromagnetic radiation. EMR is the manipulation/vibration of the nearly pure wave side of the particle-wave theory of light. Radiowaves, Microwaves, Infrared, Visible, Ultraviolet, Xray, Gammaray, they’re all part of the electromagnetic spectrum that exists just under the pure side. The higher you go, the closer to particle-wave purity you get.
> So understand EMPs occur as nearly pure function of waves. Way down in the radio and microwave side of things. That is the key to blocking them.
> Because if they were pure particle functions, we’d have hardlight or very dangerous gamma-rays acting as only 1 half… And if they were high intensity particle-waves, we’d have a laser (can replace L with any section of the EM-spectrum).
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> 2) The quicker the field builds up, the easier it is to harden against. The slower a field builds up, the less “shock” effect it has on the electrons of anything electronic that manipulates said electrons very close to the atomic level.
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> 3) Crashing waves will break any barrier. It does not matter what barrier it is. If you can find the right frequency of the proper magnitudes of multiple bursts of EMR, then you can cause a disruption inside the cage. Not as intense as the ones effecting it, but you can cause enough damage for the desired effect. The technology to do this is where sci-fi comes in. The amount of energy required in such a small space is only available in the future.
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> 4) Now I said multiple layers of cages because you can place another cage inside a cage. If that cage is isolated from the other cage, it is exponentially hardened.
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> 5) All enclosed metal cases are a from of Faraday cage. The design of an UNSC exo-ship (space faring vessel) isn’t optimal for tactical EMPs but many high frequencies are already blocked the hull’s thickness. I suspect the designs for many of Halo’s ships are that they do account for multiple isolated sections of cages to help guard against space flight as is. The entire hull itself acts as ground and is generating its own EM field (see #6) while individual sections are cages themselves grounded to the hull.
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> 6) In space, if you don’t have you’re own EM-field, then you are exposed to every cosmic-rays, particles and magnetic field to come your way. UNSC ships must polarize their hull with a strong field to protect themselves while in a solar system and from random particles in space. This helps protect against cosmic-ray penetration and the magnetic barrier needs to be stripped energetically by any stray EMP that exists while traveling near a celestial or inside a gas/plasma cloud. Then that left over energy has the hull and then the individual hardened areas to get through. I believe that part if not all of this field is generated by excess heat converted into magnetic energy (and can be augmented by the FTL).
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> 7) If a ship has an FTL, then the engine room is already a hardened room from the rest of the ship. It needs to be breached personally.
> All bridge and essential systems would be isolated and hardened individually. They need to be breached personally.
> The EMP’s effectiveness in the docking bay is determined by the size and design of the ship. An EMP inside the Trafalgar’s bays probably would only be a very local disruption. The paramagnetic nature of titanium would absorb the majority of the field. An EMP could reinforce that ship’s generated EMF.
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> So if you can get around or use these to your advantage, then yes you can to a degree. But no it isn’t as simple as parking your device in the docking bay unless it’s a small enough ship.
^^Everything above=Mind blown 0.0
> The first is a very quickly expansion of energy giving a very high voltaje to electronics, so almost every electronic in the UNSC ship inside this phase’s radius most likely will be corrupted, but apparently Noble Team’s MJOLNIR can’t be affected by this.
I would like to point out that all MJOLNIR suits (even IV) were hardened against EMP and Radiation.
Wow, that was an awesome read. Thanks thy ReaperMC!
And thanks JackOfHearts87 for the additional info. 
So a disruption bomb parked in a hangar = local disruption. I can work with that. 