I must be playing Mass Effect

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With all this talk about H4 being crap, it’s dying, how the previous game was better, how 343 needs to make drastic fixes (which, somehow, the poster knows will work and are completely objective) or the game is going to become unrecoverable, and etc it’s like I’m playing Mass Effect and the cycle of the Reapers invading the galaxy is repeating once again.

I heard it with Reach, I saw it with H3, saw it again with H2.

Pages upon pages upon pages of how Reach/H3/H2 was crap, it’s dying, how the previous game was better, how Bungie needs to make drastic fixes (which, somehow, the poster knows will work and are completely objective) or the game is going to become unrecoverable.

They weren’t right back then. What makes you think you would be right this time around?

Maybe, just maybe, if we put down the magnifying glasses and microscopes and stop sensationalizing every dip in the population numbers (It’s 10 AM on a workweek and H4’s population is dead! Even Reach did better than this at the exact same time!) and making mountains out of molehills in general (Carbine being crap is the death knell of H4!) the game might turn out just goddam fine.

Yes. There are legitimate issues that need to be addressed. Pretty sure that Time Glitch has them all covered. No, your personal agenda and subjective opinion on what is going to make the game “better” or bring more players in probably isn’t amongst them.

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> With all this talk about H4 being crap, it’s dying, how the previous game was better, how 343 needs to make drastic fixes (which, somehow, the poster knows will work and are completely objective) or the game is going to become unrecoverable, and etc it’s like I’m playing Mass Effect and the cycle of the Reapers invading the galaxy is repeating once again.
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> I heard it with Reach, I saw it with H3, saw it again with H2.
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> Pages upon pages upon pages of how Reach/H3/H2 was crap, it’s dying, how the previous game was better, how Bungie needs to make drastic fixes (which, somehow, the poster knows will work and are completely objective) or the game is going to become unrecoverable.
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> They weren’t right back then. What makes you think you would be right this time around?
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> Maybe, just maybe, if we put down the magnifying glasses and microscopes and stop sensationalizing every dip in the population numbers (It’s 10 AM on a workweek and H4’s population is dead! Even Reach did better than this at the exact same time!) and making mountains out of molehills in general (Carbine being crap is the death knell of H4!) the game might turn out just goddam fine.
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> Yes. There are legitimate issues that need to be addressed. Pretty sure that Time Glitch has them all covered. No, your personal agenda and subjective opinion on what is going to make the game “better” or bring more players in probably isn’t amongst them.

There is a big difference with the people complaining about Halo 2 and 3 and the people complaining about 4.

with 2 and 3 most of the people complaining were 14 year old brats complaining about little issues that weren’t even important.

There are at least 50 things I could list that are wrong,flawed,broken or imbalanced with Halo 4.

The maps in Halo 2 and 3 were great, for example. You could play an OBJECTIVE GAMETYPE on just about ANY ONE OF THEM with no problem.

In Halo 4 I havn’t seen one game of CTF on

VORTEX
EXILE
or
MELTDOWN.

I havn’t played ONE SINGLE objective game in Big team battle, where in Halo 2 and 3 you would play objective BTB games all the time.

Get real OP because the problems with this game really exist.

It isnt just 4 year olds complaining like it was with 2 and 3.

In case you don’t believe me just look at all the gametypes and vehicles they removed.

No brute chopper
No Hornet
No Invasion

No regular Free for all slayer
No weapons on map
Almost every major map has a circular design layout ( Haven, Vortex, Exile, Meltdown ) with few assymetrical long maps to enjoy except for Ragnarok.

The Maps have too many Labyrinthine holes and passages making battles too serpentine and easy for some noob getting his butt handed to him easy to sprint away and hide around a corner and camp with the boltshot

Assault was removed
No Juggernaut
No Race
NO Classic CTF
Infection in customs is not customizable
No ranking system so you are constantly getting casual noobs causing your team to lose.

The forge worlds are dark and ugly except for the one on the cliff that is too small to forge in.

The list goes on and on.

Wake up.

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> There is a big difference with the people complaining about Halo 2 and 3 and the people complaining about 4.
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> with 2 and 3 most of the people complaining were 14 year old brats complaining about little issues that weren’t even important.

Gonna come back to this.

> Haven’t played an objective game on X map yet.
> Haven’t played an objective game in BTB yet.
> No brute chopper
> No Hornet
> No Invasion
> No regular Free for all slayer
> No weapons on map
> Don’t like the maps
> No ranking system so you are constantly getting casual noobs causing your team to lose.

Paraphrased some of these.

I’m going to quote you again:

> 14 year old brats complaining about little issues that weren’t even important.

To me that seems like what you are doing.

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I agree with op, get your head out your a*** hybrid and either go back to halo 3 or wait patiently for 343 to fix it. They have heard all these complaints thousands of times now.

Chill mate

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actually people -Yoinked!- at halo 2 launch and they came out with a massive TU, which arguably saved that game and turned it into what most people consider the best halo to date. we’re trying to do the same here, if you like the game fine, but alot of us don’t so we’re trying to get something done

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you guys just can’t admit that the game has problems and people have already left. the games online population is crap right now

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> Blah blah blah blah blah …
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> There is a big difference with the people complaining about Halo 2 and 3 and the people complaining about 4.
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> <mark>with 2 and 3 most of the people complaining were 14 year old brats complaining about little issues that weren’t even important.</mark>
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> Blah blah blah blah blah …

With 4, most of the people complaining are 14 year old brats, complaining about little issues that aren’t even important.
The rest is either blind criticism or “this isn’t Halo 2/3/Reach”. With 2 and 3, it was “this isn’t Halo:CE/H2”

So really there is no difference. Absolutely. No. Difference. At all!

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> you guys just can’t admit that the game has problems

Even though the OP admits there are problems at the end of his post. Read much?

Props to OP. I’m so sick of people -Yoinking!- and crying and moaning over little things like “hurrrr, i cant play this specific playlist” or “i keep gettin killed by dmrs on ragnorak cuz im out in the open.”

The only real problems the Multiplayer has is join-in-progress and no BTB objective…YET (be patient guys, it’ll come).

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<Tangent>

Credit where it’s due; at least 343 know how to write well enough, and didn’t pull the total yoinking BS that was Mass Effect 3s ending. Now THAT would have ruptured Halo and made poor Johnson turn in his grave…

The game is far from perfect and, arguably, worse off than the previous games because, while it has a lot to live up to, it also has a lot of the ground work already done for it. And screwing that up to the point that ragers are actually agreeing a lot of the time is a pretty bad move.

But at least they didn’t include multicoloured space magic…

</Tangent>

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> The only real problems the Multiplayer has is join-in-progress and no BTB objective…YET (be patient guys, it’ll come).

And not the Instant-Respawn system or Kill-Cams that massively screw up the gameplay, devaluing pretty much every tactic other than “LEEROOOOY!” ?

Never going to agree with that, personally…

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> I agree with op, get your head out your a*** hybrid and either go back to halo 3 or wait patiently for 343 to fix it. They have heard all these complaints thousands of times now.
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> Chill mate

And yet…

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> And not the Instant-Respawn system or Kill-Cams that massively screw up the gameplay, devaluing pretty much every tactic other than “LEEROOOOY!” ?

Killcam has nothing to do with the actual gameplay mechanis.

Instant respawn is optional, AND I much prefer it to have to wait to get back in the game. There was so many times in H3 where I was like “c’mon respawn damn it!”

Plus, if you or your teammates choose to suicide run all the time, thats not the game’s fault.

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> Killcam has nothing to do with the actual gameplay mechanis.
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> Instant respawn is optional, AND I much prefer it to have to wait to get back in the game. There was so many times in H3 where I was like “c’mon respawn damn it!”
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> Plus, if you or your teammates choose to suicide run all the time, thats not the game’s fault.

Sure it doesn’t. Tells you exactly where the other teams sniper is hiding, though. Never mind, it’s not like anyone should ever use stealth or tactics in an FPS, right?

Instant respawn is not optional in most MM variants. And yes, respawn delay could be frustrating. THAT’S THE ENTIRE POINT. It’s to penalise you for dying and encourage you NOT to die. You live longer, get more kills, and don’t have to wait for respawn. A wonderfully idiot-proof system, right?

Maybe not, but what are you meant to do when the only ‘tactic’ that occurs in any Slayer game these days is to travel in a 4-man Leeroy ball, spamming all grenades and then running in to gun everyone left down, respawning as you go?
That’s not tactics. That’s not a challenge, or skillfull. That’s Idiot level FPS gaming. And it’s what is ENCOURAGED with instant respawn. And that IS 343’s fault.

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> Sure it doesn’t. Tells you exactly where the other teams sniper is hiding, though. Never mind, it’s not like anyone should ever use stealth or tactics in an FPS, right?

Ok, that’s a genuine mistake on my part. I completely forgot about that, lol. It’s just that I’m usually able to tell where the sniper is by myself.

To br fair though, I was under the impression by most of the community here that the killcam was buggy and -Yoinked!- up, and that I was just really lucky to not have that happen yet.

> Instant respawn is not optional in most MM variants. And yes, respawn delay could be frustrating. THAT’S THE ENTIRE POINT. It’s to penalise you for dying and encourage you NOT to die. You live longer, get more kills, and don’t have to wait for respawn. A wonderfully idiot-proof system, right?

Getting killed isnt always you’re own fault. Maybe some guy was camping with sword/shotty. Maybe the sniper got the drop on you. Or maybe you got bumrushed by double-melee -Yoinks!-.

If you make yourself a target, yes, it’s your own fault. But sometimes you simply have no control over that, and if you play it too safe, your performance may become detrimental to the team.

> Maybe not, but what are you meant to do when the only ‘tactic’ that occurs in any Slayer game these days is to travel in a 4-man Leeroy ball, spamming all grenades and then running in to gun everyone left down, respawning as you go?
> That’s not tactics. That’s not a challenge, or skillfull. That’s Idiot level FPS gaming. And it’s what is ENCOURAGED with instant respawn. And that IS 343’s fault.

Then maybe you ought to try and take advantage of those who let themselves fall into this pattern.

I could “encourage” you to jump off a cliff. Doesnt mean you have to do it.

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The rational people agree with you OP and yes, we’ve seen this all before. Ignore them and keep enjoying this amazing game. :slight_smile:

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> No Brutes either so yes, no Brute Chopper!

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> With all this talk about H4 being crap, it’s dying, how the previous game was better, how 343 needs to make drastic fixes (which, somehow, the poster knows will work and are completely objective) or the game is going to become unrecoverable, and etc it’s like I’m playing Mass Effect and the cycle of the Reapers invading the galaxy is repeating once again.
>
> I heard it with Reach, I saw it with H3, saw it again with H2.
>
> Pages upon pages upon pages of how Reach/H3/H2 was crap, it’s dying, how the previous game was better, how Bungie needs to make drastic fixes (which, somehow, the poster knows will work and are completely objective) or the game is going to become unrecoverable.
>
> They weren’t right back then. What makes you think you would be right this time around?
>
> Maybe, just maybe, if we put down the magnifying glasses and microscopes and stop sensationalizing every dip in the population numbers (It’s 10 AM on a workweek and H4’s population is dead! Even Reach did better than this at the exact same time!) and making mountains out of molehills in general (Carbine being crap is the death knell of H4!) the game might turn out just goddam fine.
>
> Yes. There are legitimate issues that need to be addressed. Pretty sure that Time Glitch has them all covered. No, your personal agenda and subjective opinion on what is going to make the game “better” or bring more players in probably isn’t amongst them.

Lol stop exaggerating to try and make your point more valid. I was a bungie.net member long before halo 2 was released and was there through all the bungie releases and only reach had this level of complaint. It was warrantes for reach and it is most certaintly warranted for halo 4.

Halo 4 IS dieing. Thats not fan mumbo jumbo, its in the numbers. Halo 4s population is declining at a very alarming rate and is alread at levels well below what halo 3 had YEARS after its release. Thats just facts. You think that has nothing to do with the quality of the game?

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> Halo 4 IS dieing. Thats not fan mumbo jumbo, its in the numbers. Halo 4s population is declining at a very alarming rate and is alread at levels well below what halo 3 had YEARS after its release. Thats just facts. You think that has nothing to do with the quality of the game?

I think it has more to do with people who are stuck in Halo 3-land and cant/wont accept change.

Also, Black Ops 2.

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Thank the Precursors this thread has been made because the Halo 4 forums have descended into rampancy.

Though there are a lot of minor issues (removal of gametypes, Forge maps that are too small, etc), I agree with you the most part. I believe that the majority of players are enjoying the game.

The player base is “overzealous” in their fanaticism over some really small discrepancies in Halo 4. Sure, custom games NEED a serious update, but I’m enjoying the game. Some people who are complaining need to be more self-conscious and realize they don’t speak for the entire community.

Thank you, sir, for this great post.

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A patch that fixes know glitches such as the UI, forge, kill cams, instant reload Boltshot and super thrown grenades will help tremendously and should be demanded. All the other bs that players complain about is ligitament but not game breaking.