The thing is there will never be balance between mnk and controller or console vs pc they are too many variables.
Crossplay was wanted by mainly pc player to increase player pool. Console wanted crossplay mainly to ps vs xbox as those systems have very little variables.
PC at the same time claimed master race due to these variables also had a cheating problem. So you can understand why the simple console player who just wants to grab a controller sit on a comfy chair and play wants the OPTION to avoid that environment as it creates the closest thing to fairness without dictating each piece of equipment the person uses
Here we go again. Yes, nerfing bullet magnetism would be the fair thing to do. Like I said before, even if they toned it down by 50% controller would still be at an advantage. Not as much currently, but it’ll be a good start. You’re able to land multiple perfects a game with a controller, either with a BR or Sidekick. It’s rare to land perfects with MnK. It you’re use to landing 2 to 4 perfects a game you’ll be cut in half, to 1 to 2 perfects a game where that DOES NOT change for MnK. It’ll still be rare and a challenge for MnK to land perfects. I never once said to nerf controller and buff MnK, never once said that. I don’t want anything to change with MnK, there is nothing wrong with it.
A “newer” player should struggle, it’s part of the learning process. Again, this falls under being catered to, given a trophy just for showing up.
This is what my issue is as well. You think I’m getting any trophy’s? I’m unranked dude. My trophy is onyx. I haven’t even gotten there yet.
What trophy did I get? Tell me. Go look up my stats. While you’re so busy trying to tell me how to play, I’m ALREADY struggling.
I have an overall K/d of 1.25, but that’s not enough for me. I still end up dying because I make mistakes. I’m doing my best here. Why is that not good enough for you? Huh?
What’s it going to take to get you off my back? Can I play in peace? You have a 1.01k/d in ranked and a 1.14k/d overall. I don’t have to prove jack-Yoink- to you. You’re not any better than me.
Why don’t you quit trying to make expectations for me and players and worry about yourself?
I get what you’re saying, but we need to stop beating the dead horse. Crossplay is here, it was 343i’s decision. It’s been crossplay since day one, it wasn’t added later in their roadmap. I’m for crossplay and I’ll stand behind it, but Halo’s current state is not good for their decision of crossplay.
I get you battling 3 people here. So this is my last and bowing out. Welcome a response as I don’t want the whole im saying this and ending it.
The thing is we have 2 options:
1 let it carry on don’t fight and have similar issues in other games.
2: fight to create a standard that we are happy with. And that is an optional setting. If you want to go to the open playground then you have chosen and complaining is not right. If you want to be on your home turf for the fairest games you can get brilliant. However if we don’t push back that option will be taken away.
I get pc players are concerned there won’t be enough player to play against but adding in input method crossplay selection would possibly open more mnk xbox players into crossplay and give pc players who enjoy controller a better experience. But what is going to happen if it carrys on becoming a defualt is myself a long time xbox player would look consider going to PS just to get that control back.
I’m not assuming, I know. I have first hand experience with both inputs, I’m not making stuff up. IF I didn’t have any experience with controller/console, let alone I didn’t own a console and/or controller than yeah, you can pin assuming on me but that’s the case.
Like I said, I have the same hardware and controller as you do. That’s how I know.
Just looked at your two most recent ranked Slayer games. One game you got 2 perfects and the other you got 3 perfects. Doesn’t look like you’re struggling with your shots. Please try and get a perfect with MnK.
So having the same hardware makes your argument valid?
I could have the same car as you, but that doesn’t mean it’s going to be any easier for me to drive. Humans are not made the same and all have different preferences.
You can’t just generalize them. That’s what irks me about this whole thing. I’m being penalized with no evidence.
Nobody has been able to verify who has the advantage in the input debate. The stats are shaky at best. I’ve been playing controller and pc games over the 20 years I’ve been on this planet.
I don’t how accurate that data is. Why should I? I just want to play games. Who cares about the disparity? Those pieces of hardware were made for their respective platforms. Not crossplay.
And to be honest with you I don’t know how accurate that data is, either but guess what? It’s what we have. The person who came up with that data didn’t just pull it out of his -Yoink!-. He took time and effort to put it together. Guess what else? That data makes perfect sense. Before that data was released, I knew something was up. When I was able to land perfects with controller like they were nothing and then finding it rare to do with MnK that’s the biggest giveaway there is. I host LAN parties with Halo. Mostly PC’s but I let my gf use my Xbox Series X and another guy use my Series S. First LAN party was the Saturday after Halo released. My gf, she is not a FPS gamer at all but she’s played Halo casually. She likes playing B4B but the last Halo she’s played was Guardians and that was only campaign. Her and I played that in co-op. Now, she sucks and she’ll even admit it but she plays it for the fun at the LANs but when she can land perfects, something isn’t right.
And there we have it! I said it earlier in one of my posts about data and how stats can be manipulated for the benefit of any argument…and it just so happens that the entirely flawed data that you keep referring to suits your agenda, and you’re clinging on to it like a limpet.
You clearly have your opinion on this subject and it’s entirely debatable who’s in the right and wrong…either way, both sides are not going to agree so it’s best for all concerned that we all agree to disagree…and 343i actually manage to implement options to disable platform based crossplay without breaking something else…because let’s face it…they are completely incompetent and I’m sure we can all agree on that!
Anyways…I’m totally bored of this for one day so I look forward to reviewing your updated tests with the same FOV and comparison with controller on PC so we can all see for ourselves if there is any substance to what you failed to prove previously. Good luck!
Did you read and understand what I said in my first paragraph? I’m a project manager and I can use and exploit data to show a failing project is going to be hugely successful and profitable in Excel if I wanted to…it’s really not hard to distort data to support a theory or agenda. Please understand this.
With regards to that specific data, there’s many many comments about that on here and Reddit that discredit and show how flawed that data was…but you won’t agree with those comments if you aren’t open minded enough to question how valid the data is and mindlessly accepting it…even though you admit yourself that you don’t know how accurate they are and just taking it as gospel rather than researching it and forming your own opinion.
Proof isn’t proof if the proof isn’t valid.
Anyways, I’m honestly done with this debate…I’m going to go try play this game if they haven’t broken it completely!
The data the guy did holds value, that’s the difference here. Even the Halo Pro roller players admit to it. Again, what other kind of proof do you need?
No. There’s a thing called night time, work and being bored of addressing the same conversation over and over again.
I’m actually subscribed to GameLeap (along with a few others that provide news, information and tips) and personally couldn’t give a toss of the opinions of pro players, however I do agree a lot with what they are saying…but the point of this debate isn’t about the less than 1% of pro players that play this game or their opinions on the subject we’re discussing (although I’m always open to different opinions and viewpoints).
Essentially what they said, and what I agree with, is that the highest skilled M&K players wouldn’t be able to compete with the highest skilled controller players. That’s just the way things are, however it is literally totally irrelevant to the overwhelming majority of the player base.
We’re talking about pros and cons of both inputs on both platforms for all skill levels not just the elite few. The bottom line still stands,…there are pros and cons to both, and the way to resolve the issue is to give us the option to disable platform based crossplay. It’s really that simple.
its quiet since the points have been make clear all on this and other threads all that the communety is not happy with force crossplay for a lot off diffrend reasons that there wane see more that there most chance it to becoming a option.
Of course it filters down to the rest of us. Pro controller players with say 1000 hours will beat someone on m&k with the same level of investment and commitment.
A player that can invest one hour per evening on controller will still smash an equally skilled and commited player using a mouse.
This is not the way the world is supposed to be and a -Yoink!- way to resolve it is by splitting the player base. Even with that most on PC, including every single pro player, are on controller, since it’s infinitely easier, and doesn’t resolve the issue at all.
I know console exclusive players can be quite selfish I’m aware. Please try a little empathy. Imagine it was you playing your new favourite game and you know you have no chance.
