Hey everyone, I was wanting to get opinions, but why do I get the feelings, that 343 did well ON halo 4, but 5 sucks because of Microsoft? Is anyone else out there guilty for lashing at 343…when it probably was Microsoft’s fault? …I feel 343 is probably more passionate about Halo then we give credits for. I’m sorry 343 for giving you humility…
Wasn’t halo 5’s campaign rushed by MS?
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> Wasn’t halo 5’s campaign rushed by MS?
Over time, I’m beginning to think that. I really want to blame Microsoft now for the mistakes Halo made.
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> Hey everyone, I was wanting to get opinions, but why do I get the feelings, that 343 did well ON halo 4, but 5 sucks because of Microsoft? Is anyone else out there guilty for lashing at 343…when it probably was Microsoft’s fault? …I feel 343 is probably more passionate about Halo then we give credits for. I’m sorry 343 for giving you humility…
- has nightmares about halo 4* That game is something I never want to go through again.
Isn’t 343 a division of Microsoft? So when anyone complains about 343 they are complaining about Microsoft.
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> Hey everyone, I was wanting to get opinions, but why do I get the feelings, that 343 did well ON halo 4, but 5 sucks because of Microsoft? Is anyone else out there guilty for lashing at 343…when it probably was Microsoft’s fault? …I feel 343 is probably more passionate about Halo then we give credits for. I’m sorry 343 for giving you humility…
So first, what do you like about halo 4? And they both (343 AND Microsoft) are to blame. 343 the dev, and Microsoft the publisher both have very much to do with the games, both 4 and 5.
At least the multiplayer’s better, or dare I say, better than Halo 3’s (imo don’t kill me)…
343 is a division of MS, they’re highly tied together. Anyone who thinks its all microsoft’s fault and 343 is not to blame is just in denial or being oddly hopefully MS will somehow be more lenient next time.
I don’t doubt 343’s passion, but passion doesn’t necessarily mean good results.
343i is Microsoft in my book. 343i was put together by Microsoft studios in 2009. I personally don’t think 343i is a bad developer and can make games. But just not Halo games. There just to far out to lunch to have a tripe A game. They have had plenty of chances. Have they gotten better over time… Yes they have but at a cost of the fans… And even with Halo5 there is just way to many things wrong with the game. By now they should of gotten far better then this. And if one thinks Halo6 will be knocked out of the park with 343i you will be sadly let down again! It will be knocked out of the park all right…Just not in the way we all hope…
Zippy.
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> Isn’t 343 a division of Microsoft? So when anyone complains about 343 they are complaining about Microsoft.
Thats tantamount to accepting yelling at the server at TGI Friday’s for the recipe change in the chicken. Salad. Have you ever had a job where you didn’t 100% agree with your boss/business?
I agree OP. I, and most Halo fans I know, thought that Halo 4 had the best campaign ( in fact they thought it had the best halo pvp to date).
I think that Microsoft had 343i rewrite halo 5 for a couple reasons.
- The advertisements don’t line up at all with the actual story, no developer is going to be that specifically misleading. - The change in tone between halo 4 story/Halo 5 advertising and the actual Halo 5 campaign seem like a knee jerk reaction by someone not familiar with the Halo universe. I may be cartooning this a bit, but I could just see a finance guy saying, “no one wants all this technical mumbo jumbo, and you don’t kill off the girl. Bring her back, and I thought Terminator was kick -Yoink- so make it more like that” - Microsoft has a history of releasing excellent products, and awful products. Did we see Microsoft offer apologies for Vista? Or free vista/gifts? Hell no. They just went dark, hunkering down on the next project.But they did release a whopper of a positive upgrade with Windows 7. I bet they will try and apply the same strategy between halo 5 and Halo 6.There are just too many weird things about Halo 5 that I just don’t think that hardcore Halo fans (which 343i is composed of) would decide is in the best interest of the series. 343i was adamant about making Halo 5 competitive, arena style. Why would they introduce purchasable REQS then? Smells like a publishers meddling to me.
1.h4 is not a better than game a lacking h5
2. 343 and Microsoft are one and the same minus the marketing teams.
3.h4 is not a “fine” game.
4.again, h4 is not better than h5.
5.anyone willing to blame Microsoft but not 343 is in “denial” as others say.
6. Last but not least, h4 is awful, and h5 is better even if it’s an awful mess too.
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> > Hey everyone, I was wanting to get opinions, but why do I get the feelings, that 343 did well ON halo 4, but 5 sucks because of Microsoft? Is anyone else out there guilty for lashing at 343…when it probably was Microsoft’s fault? …I feel 343 is probably more passionate about Halo then we give credits for. I’m sorry 343 for giving you humility…
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> So first, what do you like about halo 4? And they both (343 AND Microsoft) are to blame. 343 the dev, and Microsoft the publisher both have very much to do with the games, both 4 and 5.
hmm what I like about Halo 4? Well I loved the Forerunner back story, I also loved how they drowned into the character of Chief. They way they put me in Chief’s shoes at the end of Halo 4, was just amazing. I loved what Captain Lasky said to him. I also love Lasky in general. I wished Halo 5 was still about a Forerunner Saga, not an AI saga. If you know what I mean. I may be apart of the few, bu tI think Halo 4 was pretty good for their first game. Halo 5, I just down right think there should of been no reason. I blame the Marketing of Micro over 343 It’s self, they may be the same and one, but still very different. One creates the story and game, the other publishes it. 343 was probably forced by Micro itself due to back lash on Halo 4. I feel it was the community’s complaints on Halo 4, except a few, that caused the total re wright on Halo 5. I felt like Halo 5 was trying to tell the best story ever, but what we got, wasn’t what we were suppose to. I dunno, that’s what I’ve heard, and is my opinion.
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> I agree OP. I, and most Halo fans I know, thought that Halo 4 had the best campaign ( in fact they thought it had the best halo pvp to date).
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> I think that Microsoft had 343i rewrite halo 5 for a couple reasons.
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> - The advertisements don’t line up at all with the actual story, no developer is going to be that specifically misleading.
> - The change in tone between halo 4 story/Halo 5 advertising and the actual Halo 5 campaign seem like a knee jerk reaction by someone not familiar with the Halo universe. I may be cartooning this a bit, but I could just see a finance guy saying, “no one wants all this technical mumbo jumbo, and you don’t kill off the girl. Bring her back, and I thought Terminator was kick -Yoink- so make it more like that”
> - Microsoft has a history of releasing excellent products, and awful products. Did we see Microsoft offer apologies for Vista? Or free vista/gifts? Hell no. They just went dark, hunkering down on the next project.But they did release a whopper of a positive upgrade with Windows 7. I bet they will try and apply the same strategy between halo 5 and Halo 6.
> There are just too many weird things about Halo 5 that I just don’t think that hardcore Halo fans (which 343i is composed of) would decide is in the best interest of the series. 343i was adamant about making Halo 5 competitive, arena style. Why would they introduce purchasable REQS then? Smells like a publishers meddling to me.
Ah the reqs, I think its a cause of Marketing, they realize they’re losing money on Halo 5, so Micros Marketing Branch came up with that brilliant Idea. PAY TO PLAY! Option, or, PAY AND GRIND NO LIFE TO GET POINTS to Play. It’s almost unfair. People with more money can stalk up and be more prepared. Now they do have a system where they try to match you up with people that have equal amounts but that doesn’t always work out. They do the same on Multiplayer, it it just makes it stressful.
Halo 5’s biggest mistake was that Locke just wasn’t an interesting protagonist. He’s just a grunt following orders and that’s essentially his entire motivation.
Chief in Halo 4 had a full arc trying to save his one friend and coming to terms with being a relic of an old war, replaced and overlooked by the people he saved.
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> Halo 5’s biggest mistake was that Locke just wasn’t an interesting protagonist. He’s just a grunt following orders and that’s essentially his entire motivation.
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> Chief in Halo 4 had a full arc trying to save his one friend and coming to terms with being a relic of an old war, replaced and overlooked by the people he saved.
Yeah I feel like Halo 5 had set back after set back, they should’ve waited to release Halo 5. They needed to polish the game better.
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> > I agree OP. I, and most Halo fans I know, thought that Halo 4 had the best campaign ( in fact they thought it had the best halo pvp to date).
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> > I think that Microsoft had 343i rewrite halo 5 for a couple reasons.
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> > - The advertisements don’t line up at all with the actual story, no developer is going to be that specifically misleading.
> > - The change in tone between halo 4 story/Halo 5 advertising and the actual Halo 5 campaign seem like a knee jerk reaction by someone not familiar with the Halo universe. I may be cartooning this a bit, but I could just see a finance guy saying, “no one wants all this technical mumbo jumbo, and you don’t kill off the girl. Bring her back, and I thought Terminator was kick -Yoink- so make it more like that”
> > - Microsoft has a history of releasing excellent products, and awful products. Did we see Microsoft offer apologies for Vista? Or free vista/gifts? Hell no. They just went dark, hunkering down on the next project.But they did release a whopper of a positive upgrade with Windows 7. I bet they will try and apply the same strategy between halo 5 and Halo 6.
> > There are just too many weird things about Halo 5 that I just don’t think that hardcore Halo fans (which 343i is composed of) would decide is in the best interest of the series. 343i was adamant about making Halo 5 competitive, arena style. Why would they introduce purchasable REQS then? Smells like a publishers meddling to me.
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> Ah the reqs, I think its a cause of Marketing, they realize they’re losing money on Halo 5, so Micros Marketing Branch came up with that brilliant Idea. PAY TO PLAY! Option, or, PAY AND GRIND NO LIFE TO GET POINTS to Play. It’s almost unfair. People with more money can stalk up and be more prepared. Now they do have a system where they try to match you up with people that have equal amounts but that doesn’t always work out. They do the same on Multiplayer, it it just makes it stressful.
I don’t think that was the case, as purchasable REQs were present at launch.
And as annoying as microtransactions are, they really don’t affect the core Halo game:Campaign and arena. Warzone is a new addition to Halo, and purchasable REQs only pertain to warzone. So when people say “REQs are the downfall of Halo” I’m my mind I’m thinking, " the competitive edge that fans were crying out for in Halo 4 is here in full force in halo 5 Arena. Then these same fans don’t even play the competitive side of Halo, and -Yoink- about REQs."
Nonsense I say.
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> > Halo 5’s biggest mistake was that Locke just wasn’t an interesting protagonist. He’s just a grunt following orders and that’s essentially his entire motivation.
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> > Chief in Halo 4 had a full arc trying to save his one friend and coming to terms with being a relic of an old war, replaced and overlooked by the people he saved.
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> Yeah I feel like Halo 5 had set back after set back, they should’ve waited to release Halo 5. They needed to polish the game better.
“Then set back after set back. Loss after loss. Made what was going to be a quick and decisive win, into 5 years of hell.” Captain Cutter, February 2531.
Sorry, just had to since you said set back after set back. 
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> > > Hey everyone, I was wanting to get opinions, but why do I get the feelings, that 343 did well ON halo 4, but 5 sucks because of Microsoft? Is anyone else out there guilty for lashing at 343…when it probably was Microsoft’s fault? …I feel 343 is probably more passionate about Halo then we give credits for. I’m sorry 343 for giving you humility…
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> > So first, what do you like about halo 4? And they both (343 AND Microsoft) are to blame. 343 the dev, and Microsoft the publisher both have very much to do with the games, both 4 and 5.
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> hmm what I like about Halo 4? Well I loved the Forerunner back story, I also loved how they drowned into the character of Chief. They way they put me in Chief’s shoes at the end of Halo 4, was just amazing. I loved what Captain Lasky said to him. I also love Lasky in general. I wished Halo 5 was still about a Forerunner Saga, not an AI saga. If you know what I mean. I may be apart of the few, bu tI think Halo 4 was pretty good for their first game. Halo 5, I just down right think there should of been no reason. I blame the Marketing of Micro over 343 It’s self, they may be the same and one, but still very different. One creates the story and game, the other publishes it. 343 was probably forced by Micro itself due to back lash on Halo 4. I feel it was the community’s complaints on Halo 4, except a few, that caused the total re wright on Halo 5. I felt like Halo 5 was trying to tell the best story ever, but what we got, wasn’t what we were suppose to. I dunno, that’s what I’ve heard, and is my opinion.
Very true and I honestly like the same things about the game (mostly story related). You have to admit the MP was so bad though. That’s why everyone hates it for the most part. And you have to admit MP is a really big part of any halo game.
and that’s also true but is both of their faults (in varying degrees sure) but both of their faults none the less.
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> 1.h4 is not a better than game a lacking h5
> 2. 343 and Microsoft are one and the same minus the marketing teams.
> 3.h4 is not a “fine” game.
> 4.again, h4 is not better than h5.
> 5.anyone willing to blame Microsoft but not 343 is in “denial” as others say.
> 6. Last but not least, h4 is awful, and h5 is better even if it’s an awful mess too.
343 and Microsoft aren’t the same. Microsoft is like the father and 343 is the son. If a son disobeys his father, he gets beaten (at least in the old days).