Faber was a a really bad guy. I really like that in Silentium he redeemed himself for his past crimes, I felt his arc was brought to a great conclusion.
He died like a heroic boss. Who would have ever thought that of him.
RIP teh master builder and his family
Agreed, added another dimension to what would have been a one note character, very well done.
Agreed. What made it even better is that even though he was redeeming himself and committing a heroic act, he still came off as a narcissistic -Yoink- XD
> Faber was a a really bad guy. I really like that in Silentium he redeemed himself for his past crimes, I felt his arc was brought to a great conclusion.
How exactly does he “redeem” himself? If youre talking about his firing of the Halo at Path Kethona, then that hardly can be considered redemption. Compared to all of the other stuff he was responsible for throughout the Forerunner Saga, the guy was an -Yoink- even until the end.
I don’t really see how anything he did “redeemed himself”. You guys do know he killed all the forerunners in Kethona right?
They mean he at least allowed himself to die with the rest instead of fleeing like he did during the fall of the capitol. Though, I too don’t see how he redeemed himself. Its almost like saying Colonel Akerson redeemed himself of all the bad things he did because he didn’t give up any important secrets to the Brutes on Mars, only Faber was 1000000x worst than Akerson.
I don’t know the word i want to use but i know “redemption” certainly isn’t to be used. If he and his rate weren’t so power hungry the flood wouldn’t have gotten that strong to start with.
> I don’t know the word i want to use but i know “redemption” certainly isn’t to be used. If he and his rate weren’t so power hungry the flood wouldn’t have gotten that strong to start with.
Honor perhaps?
mmm.
I guess we can go with that.
> I don’t really see how anything he did “redeemed himself”. You guys do know he killed all the forerunners in Kethona right?
Yeah this. Used his last act, not to fire into the galaxy they were about to obliterate anyways, but to exterminate the last record of their ancient history and the only surviving major population of Forerunners.
Besides, the Flood would’ve killed the Forerunner on Path Kethona.
> Really you two? He fired in that direction because that’s where the great majority of the Star Roads and Flood were coming from. And he had no way of knowing it was the last record of their history since he had no way of knowing the Domain would be lost.
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> I don’t think there was any redemption, just illumination. His decision to go with Halos and fire on Charum Hakkor makes more sense since he was targeting neural physics. His mistakes were letting the Primordial discourse with Mendicant and steal his installation, firing a Halo at the Prophets, dumping Didact in that system…
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> Massive, limited mistakes but Silentium atleast let us know his intention were never evil, his methods and vanity were what held him back. I liked this depiction.
Massive mistakes, yes. Limited mistakes, absolutely not. The Master Builder shows, throughout the entire Flood war, that he never learned from his mistakes at all. He shows incredibly poor judgement and strategy at every turn, and for some reason you all seem to think that because he fired the last of his original Halos at Path Kethona, he became an honorable and noble character? Please.
I would outright and directly call this character evil. He slaughtered billions of innocent creatures for no real reason. He basically forced the Didact into the Cryptum, then chased him down, captured him and sent him into a Burn to die with afew other people he didnt care to keep around. He took control of fleets that saw staggering losses under his direct command, and in the end (under his watch, since he was the most powerful and influential Forerunner during the majority of the war) his entire species was pretty much wiped out.
This guy is evil. Theres really no questioning that at all. Out of everything we learn about the Master Builder, the only act that can possibly be seen as “ok” is his firing of the Halo at Path Kethona, and even with that act he still wipes out the Ancient Forerunner and possibly even the “organic archive”.
You guys are acting like the IsoDidact and Librarian didn’t also approve of what he did at the Greater Ark. Leaving Path Kethona “alive” would have rendered the whole thing pointless - that’s where the Flood was coming from so it’s safe to assume they were still there. And his Halos ability to destroy Neural Physics is what saved the galaxy
Maybe he didn’t “redeem” himself, but he certainly was on the side of “good” at the end. More than the Ur- Didact, at least. Going down with the ship requires a good amount of bravery and honor
> You guys are acting like the IsoDidact and Librarian didn’t also approve of what he did at the Greater Ark. Leaving Path Kethona “alive” would have rendered the whole thing pointless - that’s where the Flood was coming from so it’s safe to assume they were still there. And his Halos ability to destroy Neural Physics is what saved the galaxy
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> Maybe he didn’t “redeem” himself, but he certainly was on the side of “good” at the end. More than the Ur- Didact, at least. Going down with the ship requires a good amount of bravery and honor
And recognising his past mistakes.
I do not know you guys, but I do understand that the Large Magellanic Cloud is 160000 LYs away from the Milky Way. Unless the Greater Ark was right next to it, the Halo’s firing would not do any harm to the Forerunners.
I liked that Faber did a heroic act instead of fleeing with Bornstellar. I was actually expecting him to betray everyone again, but he did not.
> > > I don’t really see how anything he did “redeemed himself”. You guys do know he killed all the forerunners in Kethona right?
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> > Yeah this. Used his last act, not to fire into the galaxy they were about to obliterate anyways, but to exterminate the last record of their ancient history and the only surviving major population of Forerunners.
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> Really you two? He fired in that direction because that’s where the great majority of the Star Roads and Flood were coming from. And he had no way of knowing it was the last record of their history since he had no way of knowing the Domain would be lost.
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> I don’t think there was any redemption, just illumination. His decision to go with Halos and fire on Charum Hakkor makes more sense since he was targeting neural physics. His mistakes were letting the Primordial discourse with Mendicant and steal his installation, firing a Halo at the Prophets, dumping Didact in that system…
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> Massive, limited mistakes but Silentium atleast let us know his intention were never evil, his methods and vanity were what held him back. I liked this depiction.
So there is a problem that we don’t agree with the common opinion here? as if that is a new one.
I just read that passage again and it doesn’t make it clear that is where the star roads were coming from. The Didact says they will avoid halo’s firing line and then points to kethona. how can they avoid it if that is where they are coming from? Right before the rings fire Faber changes the angle every so slightly and the staroads (for the most part) get out of the way save for the ones that couldn’t and were destroyed.
So unless you want to clear that all up it doesn’t seem like they were coming from that galaxy rather than surrounding the ark from all sides.
The only reason he didn’t run was because he had nowhere to run to. Who cares about the moral consent of the IsoDidact and librarian? The former killed everything in the galaxy and the latter makes herself unto a good to lesser races. So just because they “approved” shouldn’t instantly make any decision right.
> > I just read that passage again and it doesn’t make it clear that is where the star roads were coming from. The Didact says they will avoid halo’s firing line and then points to kethona. how can they avoid it if that is where they are coming from?
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> Really? Yes, the star roads in the near-distance that are tactically surrounding the Ark would see where the Halo is aiming and move. Any strategic reserves in Path Kethona would be obliterated. It’s not a stretch that the majority of star-roads came from Path Kethona, firing at that system could still get any that were in-transit.
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> Path Kethona was where the Forerunners went to wipe out the Precursors, of course the majority of the star roads came from there. The passage doesn’t make it clear because it’s clearly implied by the background information given earlier:
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> > Right before the rings fire Faber changes the angle every so slightly and the staroads (for the most part) get out of the way save for the ones that couldn’t and were destroyed.
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> Tactics can be multi-purpose. They fired the Halo not to destroy the star-roads surrounding the Ark, but A) to make a hole in their line for an escape route, B) destroy any reserve star roads in Path Kethona, their primary origin system. There was no chance of being able to fire multiple-times at the angles needed to save the Ark, so they fired in the next best direction.
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> The star-roads in close proximity would be able to move out of the angle of the Halo’s array, but the further from the Halo harder it would be to get out of that angle
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> Librarian’s expedition made it clear that Path Kethona had way more star-roads than their system. In the short-distance what was already at the Ark were obviously surrounding the Ark from all sides, but strategically they were coming from Path Kethona. Just because Germany’s 6th army was surrounded and cut off at Stalingrad doesn’t mean the Russians came from Germany.
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> No, he didn’t run out of courage and self-sacrifice. Something Ur-Didact never learned.
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> “No. That is my Ark. And this is my Halo. Throughout my life, I sought power and
> profit for myself, for my rate. Now, at long last, I think I understand the meaning of a crime against the Mantle. After this, no need to seek balance. I will await my penance here.” - Faber
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> Another thing Faber learned that Ur-Didact’s ego never did; to give up his toys. He freely gives IsoDidact the information to the Lesser Ark. It’s revealed in Silentium that no one except Prometheans were allowed to know the inner functions of the Shield Worlds. If Ur-didact had given Faber the shield world information in Cryptum as he asked, things could’ve gone differently.
I find it Absolutely hilarious that you are so upset that i don’t hold the same opinion as you.
So you have no factual evidence from where they came from. I don’t know how you can come to that conclusion seeing as there are far more activated precursor ruins in our galaxy than there are dormant ones in that one. Any precursor ruin can turn into a star road from what it seems, so just because there are some in that galaxy doesn’t explicitly mean that is where they came from.
The goal was to by the galaxy more time. If the Path to kethona was clear and every other avenue wasn’t wouldn’t that imply they were coming from everywhere else?
Path kethona had more star roads than the explored regions of space. clearly they must have had quite the amount left in the galaxy seeing as they were everywhere.
Yes because after his family was infected and the galaxy was about to be extinguished he of course would rather just get it all over.All of this is my opinion anyway, nothing you try to force upon me is going to make me think of faber any different. so you can keep trying to change my mind.
Ah yes, How many more contender class AI’s would have been infected if The Didact gave in to Faber. How would the shield worlds been abused had he given this mad man more than everything he wanted. I don’t see how you come to this conclusion when Faber is sitting there bragging about how he humiliated the Didact. IF he had just listened to the Didact in the First damn place none of this wouldn’t have happened. which is the irony of that entire segment with them crying for the Didact to return when most of these people offered him no help with Faber. All the rates knew Faber was out of control but not a single one stood up.. Had the Didact been supported from the start the flood wouldn’t have arose to such a scale.
I don’t care what you tell me As Faber is just like Ackerson to me. Nothing he could have done other than stopping the flood would remedy all his schemes that ended up killing trillions of lifeforms. He was always playing games and more worried about how wealthy his family became rather than upholding the mantle as all forerunners swear they do. Which is why the precursors weren’t going to give it to them in the first damn place.
No one’s saying Faber was a good guy all along, Bias. That would be stupidly simplistic. But so is saying that he was a black-hearted villain until the very end. He ends up as a very grey character, which makes him more interesting. He and the Ur-Didact basically switch places: Faber starts out as a self-serving power-hungry monster, while the Didact is an honorable, brave warrior. By the end of Silentium the roles have reversed. It’s to Bear’s credit that he’s able to make both transformations believable.
That doesn’t make sense, why would you go through such lengths to change somebody else’s opinion if you are only offering yous. I don’t see faber as redeeming himself and never will.
It was clear from what the Gravemind said that Path wasn’t their home system but a refuge from when the forerunners chased them from this, their home.
That was before the Knowledge of what the Gravemind told the Didact.
> You drove us from our galaxy, our field of labor. You chased us across the middle distance to another home, and destroyed that home, did all that you could to destroy every one of us.
What claim are you talking about? Seeing as the forerunners have 3 million worlds, have existed for eons, and had to halt slipspace travel for a time ship to move to another galaxy (showing how frequently it is used) i don’t see why you would doubt that.
Onyx could create a new sentential every 6 seconds, you have trillions of vigilants weaving in and out of slipspace above Quarantine worlds, The Didact’s fleet was so massive it disrupted slipspace travel for the humans.
I have absolutely no idea why you would have knowledge of the forerunners but doubt they would be able to have several fleets numbering in the high thousands. The only limitation they would face is the rate the fleets would be able to travel in slipspace and the debt they would build up.
I still don’t see how the vines would be destroyed by the array if they weren’t abel to be infected by the flood.
I really don’t care about the star roads of kethona, this topic is about faber redeeming himself.