If you think about it, it weighs 343 pounds (145 kg). That’s about as much as a turret. That means what when you wield it, you would have to be brought into 3rd person mode and your movement would be strictly restricted as if you were holding a turret. Now considering that it is a melee weapon, I sure wouldn’t want to be brought into 3rd person with restricted movement.
Beleive me I was extremely disappointed that we didn’t get Fist of Rukt but once I gave it some thought, I understood 343’s decision and respect it. I’ve accepted Tartarus’s Gavel and you should as well.
Tartarus also killed many chieftains to obtain his rank, it wouldn’t surprise me that he has and took their hammers. Also yea I was telling my friends this too. You would have to be playing juggernaut to make the Fist of Rukt playable.
Not to mention the extra shield strength the Fist of Rukt offers, which in turn blocks the radio waves coming from 343i.
Legend has it that the radio waves prompt the gamers to spend real money on REQ packs. I understand now why the Fist of Rukt isn’t coming. Wake up people!
It doesn’t have to be the sctual Fist of Rukt, it could be a normal sized weapon inspired by it. And I still think there’s a chance at getting it with Firefight of Brutes are reintroduced as an enemy and Tartarus is a boss.
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> Tartarus also killed many chieftains to obtain his rank, it wouldn’t surprise me that he has and took their hammers. Also yea I was telling my friends this too. You would have to be playing juggernaut to make the Fist of Rukt playable.
Yes and he also could have made several custom hammers for his best chieftains. Tartarus’s Gavel being one of them.
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> If you think about it, it weighs 343 pounds (145 kg). That’s about as much as a turret. That means what when you wield it, you would have to be brought into 3rd person mode and your movement would be strictly restricted as if you were holding a turret. Now considering that it is a melee weapon, I sure wouldn’t want to be brought into 3rd person with restricted movement.
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> Beleive me I was extremely disappointed that we didn’t get Fist of Rukt but once I gave it some thought, I understood 343’s decision and respect it. I’ve accepted Tartarus’s Gavel and you should as well.
Ok first thing, just because it’s a similar weight to a turret DOES NOT mean it has to switch to 3rd person, use your common sense next time. Now the Fist of Rukt can easily be added in and work 2 ways…
It can work just like the standard Gravity Hammer, they don’t have to be strict about the whole “it weighs this much”. Ofc it would have something extra like all mythics weapons, going onto the 2nd point…
Say 343 do keep the whole “you will move just as slow as you do holding a turret”. Well, thats not that slow and the hammer can easly have a speed boost attached to it as the special ability all mythic weapons give aswell as possibly an improved oversheild. Think more of the Halo CE oversheild where instead of adding just 1 extra “layer” to the shield, it added 3, this would work considering how the Fist of Rukt gave Tartarus one hell of a shield during Halo 2.See how easy that was, the whole “its to heavy!” is just -Yoink-.
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> Not to mention the extra shield strength the Fist of Rukt offers, which in turn blocks the radio waves coming from 343i.
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> Legend has it that the radio waves prompt the gamers to spend real money on REQ packs. I understand now why the Fist of Rukt isn’t coming. Wake up people!
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> > If you think about it, it weighs 343 pounds (145 kg). That’s about as much as a turret. That means what when you wield it, you would have to be brought into 3rd person mode and your movement would be strictly restricted as if you were holding a turret. Now considering that it is a melee weapon, I sure wouldn’t want to be brought into 3rd person with restricted movement.
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> > Beleive me I was extremely disappointed that we didn’t get Fist of Rukt but once I gave it some thought, I understood 343’s decision and respect it. I’ve accepted Tartarus’s Gavel and you should as well.
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> Ok first thing, just because it’s a similar weight to a turret DOES NOT mean it has to switch to 3rd person, use your common sense next time. Now the Fist of Rukt can easily be added in and work 2 ways…
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> - It can work just like the standard Gravity Hammer, they don’t have to be strict about the whole “it weighs this much”. Ofc it would have something extra like all mythics weapons, going onto the 2nd point…
> - Say 343 do keep the whole “you will move just as slow as you do holding a turret”. Well, thats not that slow and the hammer can easly have a speed boost attached to it as the special ability all mythic weapons give aswell as possibly an improved oversheild. Think more of the Halo CE oversheild where instead of adding just 1 extra “layer” to the shield, it added 3, this would work considering how the Fist of Rukt gave Tartarus one hell of a shield during Halo 2.
> See how easy that was, the whole “its to heavy!” is just -Yoink-.
It switches you to 3rd person when you’re holding a turret because of its weight, and it would do the same thing with the Fist for the same reason. Also, all the mythic weapons only have 1 special effect, so doing a speed boost and and overshield wouldn’t work, and it’s pretty obvious that its special ability would be overshield. Use common sense next time.
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> > > If you think about it, it weighs 343 pounds (145 kg). That’s about as much as a turret. That means what when you wield it, you would have to be brought into 3rd person mode and your movement would be strictly restricted as if you were holding a turret. Now considering that it is a melee weapon, I sure wouldn’t want to be brought into 3rd person with restricted movement.
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> > > Beleive me I was extremely disappointed that we didn’t get Fist of Rukt but once I gave it some thought, I understood 343’s decision and respect it. I’ve accepted Tartarus’s Gavel and you should as well.
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> > Ok first thing, just because it’s a similar weight to a turret DOES NOT mean it has to switch to 3rd person, use your common sense next time. Now the Fist of Rukt can easily be added in and work 2 ways…
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> > - It can work just like the standard Gravity Hammer, they don’t have to be strict about the whole “it weighs this much”. Ofc it would have something extra like all mythics weapons, going onto the 2nd point…
> > - Say 343 do keep the whole “you will move just as slow as you do holding a turret”. Well, thats not that slow and the hammer can easly have a speed boost attached to it as the special ability all mythic weapons give aswell as possibly an improved oversheild. Think more of the Halo CE oversheild where instead of adding just 1 extra “layer” to the shield, it added 3, this would work considering how the Fist of Rukt gave Tartarus one hell of a shield during Halo 2.
> > See how easy that was, the whole “its to heavy!” is just -Yoink-.
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> It switches you to 3rd person when you’re holding a turret because of its weight, and it would do the same thing with the Fist for the same reason. Also, all the mythic weapons only have 1 special effect, so doing a speed boost and and overshield wouldn’t work, and it’s pretty obvious that its special ability would be overshield. Use common sense next time.
Both wrong. Its switches you to 3rd person when using a turret because, heres comes the shocker, because its a turret not because of its weight. Also mythic weapons can and do have more then one power up, Prophets Bane gives you both Active Camo and a Speed Boost…
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> > If you think about it, it weighs 343 pounds (145 kg). That’s about as much as a turret. That means what when you wield it, you would have to be brought into 3rd person mode and your movement would be strictly restricted as if you were holding a turret. Now considering that it is a melee weapon, I sure wouldn’t want to be brought into 3rd person with restricted movement.
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> > Beleive me I was extremely disappointed that we didn’t get Fist of Rukt but once I gave it some thought, I understood 343’s decision and respect it. I’ve accepted Tartarus’s Gavel and you should as well.
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> Ok first thing, just because it’s a similar weight to a turret DOES NOT mean it has to switch to 3rd person, use your common sense next time. Now the Fist of Rukt can easily be added in and work 2 ways…
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> - It can work just like the standard Gravity Hammer, they don’t have to be strict about the whole “it weighs this much”. Ofc it would have something extra like all mythics weapons, going onto the 2nd point…
> - Say 343 do keep the whole “you will move just as slow as you do holding a turret”. Well, thats not that slow and the hammer can easly have a speed boost attached to it as the special ability all mythic weapons give aswell as possibly an improved oversheild. Think more of the Halo CE oversheild where instead of adding just 1 extra “layer” to the shield, it added 3, this would work considering how the Fist of Rukt gave Tartarus one hell of a shield during Halo 2.
> See how easy that was, the whole “its to heavy!” is just -Yoink-.
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> > > > If you think about it, it weighs 343 pounds (145 kg). That’s about as much as a turret. That means what when you wield it, you would have to be brought into 3rd person mode and your movement would be strictly restricted as if you were holding a turret. Now considering that it is a melee weapon, I sure wouldn’t want to be brought into 3rd person with restricted movement.
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> > > > Beleive me I was extremely disappointed that we didn’t get Fist of Rukt but once I gave it some thought, I understood 343’s decision and respect it. I’ve accepted Tartarus’s Gavel and you should as well.
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> > > Ok first thing, just because it’s a similar weight to a turret DOES NOT mean it has to switch to 3rd person, use your common sense next time. Now the Fist of Rukt can easily be added in and work 2 ways…
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> > > - It can work just like the standard Gravity Hammer, they don’t have to be strict about the whole “it weighs this much”. Ofc it would have something extra like all mythics weapons, going onto the 2nd point…
> > > - Say 343 do keep the whole “you will move just as slow as you do holding a turret”. Well, thats not that slow and the hammer can easly have a speed boost attached to it as the special ability all mythic weapons give aswell as possibly an improved oversheild. Think more of the Halo CE oversheild where instead of adding just 1 extra “layer” to the shield, it added 3, this would work considering how the Fist of Rukt gave Tartarus one hell of a shield during Halo 2.
> > > See how easy that was, the whole “its to heavy!” is just -Yoink-.
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> > It switches you to 3rd person when you’re holding a turret because of its weight, and it would do the same thing with the Fist for the same reason. Also, all the mythic weapons only have 1 special effect, so doing a speed boost and and overshield wouldn’t work, and it’s pretty obvious that its special ability would be overshield. Use common sense next time.
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> Both wrong. Its switches you to 3rd person when using a turret because, heres comes the shocker, because its a turret not because of its weight. Also mythic weapons can and do have more then one power up, Prophets Bane gives you both Active Camo and a Speed Boost…
All variants of the energy sword increase your speed a little bit, it’s not a power up only given by Prophets Bane. So yeah, you’re wrong… again.
Turret weight has absolutely nothing to do with changing to third person, it’s just a balancing measure.
If you have to create reason for that canonically, then the best explanation is that the shape of the turret limits the mobility of the user’s legs.
Why can’t it be weight-related? Because a relatively strong individual can walk at a comparable speed to a Spartan while carrying in excess of 600 lbs. If a super soldier can’t keep up with a relatively strong (but unaugmented) human, then that super soldier is kind of bad at their job. Point being - 343 lbs isn’t very heavy for a normal human, much less a super soldier.
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> Turret weight has absolutely nothing to do with changing to third person, it’s just a balancing measure.
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> If you have to create reason for that canonically, then the best explanation is that the shape of the turret limits the mobility of the user’s legs.
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> Why can’t it be weight-related? Because a relatively strong individual can walk at a comparable speed to a Spartan while carrying in excess of 600 lbs. If a super soldier can’t keep up with a relatively strong (but unaugmented) human, then that super soldier is kind of bad at their job. Point being - 343 lbs isn’t very heavy for a normal human, much less a super soldier.
Yes but can you hold a 343 lb hammer with 1 hand and still swing it just as effectively while riding on the back of a mongoose? That would kind of be too op so there is another reason it would slow your movement. The turret takes you into 3rd person because it restricts your movement. It would be kind of weird to still be in 1st person with restricted movement. Taking you into third person lets you know you’re holding something big and powerful.
Can a person hold a 343 lb hammer with one hand? Sure. Swinging it with one hand might be a little difficult, though. A super soldier who weighs half a ton in armor, though? No problem at all.
Also, I’d hardly call using a Hammer on a Mongoose “OP.” Swinging it is more likely to flip your Mongoose than actually hurt anything successfully.
The real reason we are not getting the Fist of Rukt? Because it would take extra time and resources for 343 to model another hammer when it’s 100x easier/ quicker/ more efficient to reskin resources that are readily available. A weapon that size would possibly require new animations too. But I don’t see why they couldn’t scale it down either. This is blatantly obvious and has little to do with how much it weighs, which also in turn has nothing to do with lore like some people are seemingly thinking and are just blindly agreeing with each other. Instead it has to do with actual *in-*game mechanics. But I don’t mind that we’re getting a reskin, why? Because 343 compromised.
Which means we may eventually get what we ask for if there’s enough outcry, which. Never seems to run low on these forums. Remember the Halo 2 BR? Model was already in H2A, along with FoRukt. Just need to ask Sabre Interactive for commercial use unless they own the property, which they may surely In fact do.
But the reason for the 3rd person camera with turrets solely has to do with both consistency and gameplay mechanics. Consistency wise, both Bungie and 343 wanted to keep turrets in 3rd person mode across the board. Whether it was in a vehicle or a mounted turret. And for gameplay mechanics it is because they needed to give players holding turrets extra field of vision so they aren’t completely hindered by their slow movement speed and inability to grenade/melee. Also the player model is shown to hold the turret down by their waist/ thigh region. Which would translate awkwardly into the 1st person POV.
Holding the FoRukt would not look out of place in 1st person besides it being a massively large target to others from their perspective. It would look just as a normal hammer in 1st person would, except you would feel like a BA when having it equipped due to its gameplay enhancers/modifiers. In lore Spartans can lift 3x their body weight with ease. 343 Ibs would be easy. (Which is about the average Spartans body weight. At around 200-300 Ibs) Especially with a hammer with gravity manipulation.
Try to look at things logically, both pantsaregood and Arkanagos are correct with their statements. As a future game designer myself I can see the reasoning and decisions made for the compromise. Both for the reasoning why we have 3rd person cameras for turrets and why we may or may not get the FoRukt.
My guess would be to save time, a lot of people wanted upgraded grav hams and making the fist of rukt and making it function a certain way would push the whole thing all together, it would be easier to just reskin the normal hammer. It was an excusable reason by my guess.
It’s pure laziness that we don’t have it, the amount of threads with the hammer storm that thought we were getting it showed how much we want it. But then they go and make a Fanta hammer… It’s somehow a mythic too?? What is mythic about it, they mythics are weapons and armour from characters in the story or classic weapons from old games