I think it’s pretty simple.
Or… because you’ve got a group of not-real Spartans going after the series’ main character, Chief, and his comrades from the novels.
EDIT: To clarify, this is not my viewpoint, but one I’ve often seen here, so I thought I’d throw it out there. Boy, was I wrong to do that.
I do not hate Osiris. I do not hate Spartan IV’s. I do not like Green Eggs and Ham, Sam-I-Am.
Still blows my mind that they thought doing the campaign like this was a good idea.
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> Or… because you’ve got a group of not-real Spartans going after the series’ main character, Chief, and his comrades from the novels.
They’re real Spartans.
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> Or… because you’ve got a group of not-real Spartans going after the series’ main character, Chief, and his comrades from the novels.
They’re real Spartans. Even your beloved Master Chief said so.
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> I think it’s pretty simple.
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> - They basically replaced Chief. He got almost no action. It also doesn’t really bode well for the future of Master Chief.
> - You don’t really make friends with Osiris besides Buck (he was cool in ODST). Noble team had been kind of like family. You could understand them. You supported their cause and their bravery…that was amazing.
> - Fireteam Osiris kind of represents the bad campaign and the Halo people didn’t like.
I have no problem with Osiris getting more game time. It was fun.
Wrong. If you listen to dialogues and not just rush through the campaign you can hear the characters talk about interesting things, shining. I grew up to like Vale and Tanaka. Especially Vale. I don’t mention Buck, because he was already the highlight.
Also, I disagree. Bungie failed to show how much of a family the Noble Team was.
The only problem I have is Locke. I can’t really seem to like him. ESPECIALLY his face. x.x
The actor is UGH. I’m happy they already replaced him with different voice actor, but they should have changed is damn face as well.
Maybe then he’d be more like-able.
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Aye. Spartan-IV’s are Spartans.
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What is it Thel 'Vadam’s uncle says to him at the end of Coal Protocol? Oh yes, that’s it.
“There are heresys, and then there are, heresys.”
I don’t hate them.
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Show them Commander! Show them how to destroy the enemy core!
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“My beloved Master Chief”?
I’m not a fanboy. I enjoy Halo. It ends there.
I’m talking about this from the perspective of someone who hates Fireteam Osiris.
From their perspective, these new Spartan IV’s aren’t up to the same standards as the Spartan II’s that are essentially legendary. They aren’t trained from a young age, they haven’t spent their entire lives as a team, they aren’t disciplined like the II’s. Chief has been the Hero of Halo since the start, and his team have seen lots of coverage in the earlier novels. Osiris is new. People like what is familiar.
Osiris was alright, I felt Locke brought the team down a bit. Not much of a personality. I think they would be better if they were fleshed out in a spinoff game vs a main halo game.
I like how every goes on about how we don’t know anything about the members of Osiris … like all know the name of Romeo’s 2nd grade teacher or something.
I mean, we know the name of the colony planet Tanaka’s from. We know what happened to it. We learn this from listening to her. We learn none of that from any of the members of ODST or Noble Team. To be fair, with Noble Team, they’re Spartan III’s, so we basically know what their backstory is. So let’s look at the ODST’s:
We know Locke is an ex-ONI hitman. We know Micky is … comically dumb?
We know how Vale learned Sangheili, she was adrift on a vessel for 6 months as a kid and decided to learn the language (child prodigy and whatnot). We know Dutch is … religious … okay, that’s a good bit of character development, but not much in terms of background or bio.
If you haven’t played previous Halo games, you learn Buck was an ODST who fought in New Alexandria. We know Romeo is … a sniper.
I’m not saying Halo 5 is packed full of character development, but let’s not pretend like it has less than the previous games. Most of it isn’t in the cutscenes, you gotta listen to your squad mates in the campaign … and Cortana at the end when she’s harassing them.
One of the problems with Osiris is that they needed more character development. The only things that talk about Vale and Tanaka ONCE was Halo Escalation and Halo Hunters In The Dark. Locke had his own tv show and a bio on the Halo Channel.
They just need to be delevoped WAY more.
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> Osiris was alright, I felt Locke brought the team down a bit. Not much of a personality. I think they would be better if they were fleshed out in a spinoff game vs a main halo game.
How awesome would that have been?
Release an entire game as Osiris where you only see Blue Team during the fight scene and just before the mission “The Breaking” (so only where Osiris actually sees them in the game), then have it end right as you approach Cortana’s Guardian.
Then, I don’t know if it should be a full 3 years later or DLC or what, but release another entire campaign as Blue Team that tells their side of the story with the three missions we got and about 10 more and include the ending in that one.
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> I’m not a fanboy. I enjoy Halo. It ends there.
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> I’m talking about this from the perspective of someone who hates Fireteam Osiris.
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> From their perspective, these new Spartan IV’s aren’t up to the same standards as the Spartan II’s that are essentially legendary. They aren’t trained from a young age, they haven’t spent their entire lives as a team, they aren’t disciplined like the II’s. Chief has been the Hero of Halo since the start, and his team have seen lots of coverage in the earlier novels. Osiris is new. People like what is familiar.
Well, of course. If you HATE someone or a group of people, of course you think the lowest of them.
Say for yourself that YOU like more what’s familiar.
Why are the Spartan-IIs legendary? Why not include the Spartans-IIIs? Or Johnsson and ORION?
Your points are invalid. They joined the UNSC //or ONI// just when they could. They fought before and during the Human-Covenant War. AND THEY SURVIVED.
They survived without their super training since young age. Without augmentations. Without super armor.
They were normal people and they fought and survived.
They have MORE than enough combat experience.
They are disciplined, however they act like normal human beings. Master Chief had an issue with seeing soldiers and humans as one thing, he thought of himself to be more a machine.
Also, John wasn’t quite a hero at the very beginning in his childhood.
Also, there were many novels, comics and media. Why not be so protective over Red Team?
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> I like how every goes on about how we don’t know anything about the members of Osiris … like all know the name of Romeo’s 2nd grade teacher or something.
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> I mean, we know the name of the colony planet Tanaka’s from. We know what happened to it. We learn this from listening to her. We learn none of that from any of the members of ODST or Noble Team. To be fair, with Noble Team, they’re Spartan III’s, so we basically know what their backstory is. So let’s look at the ODST’s:
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> We know how Vale learned Sangheili, she was adrift on a vessel for 6 months as a kid and decided to learn the language (child prodigy and whatnot). We know Dutch is … religious … okay, that’s a good bit of character development, but not much in terms of background or bio.
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> If you haven’t played previous Halo games, you learn Buck was an ODST who fought in New Alexandria. We know Romeo is … a sniper.
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> I’m not saying Halo 5 is packed full of character development, but let’s not pretend like it has less than the previous games. Most of it isn’t in the cutscenes, you gotta listen to your squad mates in the campaign … and Cortana at the end when she’s harassing them.
You can learn A LOT MORE about Tanaka and Vale if you read the books and comic.
Also, you can read how Buck joined the Spartan-IV program //quite thanks to Palmer// and what happened with his old squad and more.
There is lot more to these character if you do more than just play the games.
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> > From their perspective, these new Spartan IV’s aren’t up to the same standards as the Spartan II’s that are essentially legendary. They aren’t trained from a young age, they haven’t spent their entire lives as a team, they aren’t disciplined like the II’s. Chief has been the Hero of Halo since the start, and his team have seen lots of coverage in the earlier novels. Osiris is new. People like what is familiar.
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> Well, of course. If you HATE someone or a group of people, of course you think the lowest of them.
> Say for yourself that YOU like more what’s familiar.
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> Why are the Spartan-IIs legendary? Why not include the Spartans-IIIs? Or Johnsson and ORION?
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> Your points are invalid. They joined the UNSC //or ONI// just when they could. They fought before and during the Human-Covenant War. AND THEY SURVIVED.
> They survived without their super training since young age. Without augmentations. Without super armor.
> They were normal people and they fought and survived.
> They have MORE than enough combat experience.
> They are disciplined, however they act like normal human beings. Master Chief had an issue with seeing soldiers and humans as one thing, he thought of himself to be more a machine.
> Also, John wasn’t quite a hero at the very beginning in his childhood.
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> Also, there were many novels, comics and media. Why not be so protective over Red Team?
I do not hate Osiris. I do not hate Spartan IV’s.
I pitched a reasoning that I’ve often heard/read (on these forums) in response to the OP. It is not my personal view.
I do not hate Osiris. I do not hate Spartan IV’s.