I really just wanted to say thanks 343, for the great game of Halo 5. Ever since I had it day 1, it has remained my favorite video game. I remember when my buddies and I all beat the campaign cooperatively on the first night it released. I like to say I play this game very often whether it be solo or with my awesome buds who also love this game. I really like the custom browser and all the attention this game received like the armor, classic weapons, and beautiful forged maps that make it into matchmaking. (I think community made competitive maps are so special and unique) I’ve met some awesome folks playing customs, so that just makes this community so cool. Halo 5 has me coming back almost every day after work at least for a few of those awesome warzone matches or some classic ol slayer. The multiplayer of Halo 5 is a one of a kind FPS experience.
Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks again. Hopefully this gets around to some folks at 343. Keep it going!
It’s definitely a good game, but it could be better… lots of watered down, sub-optimal content when compared to the series’ track-record.
As as far as the gameplay, it’s really quite good… a couple issues here and there, but the map pool really starts to feel stale after a while and a lot of other content in the game goes relatively untouched compared to their preferred style of play, for a large percentage of the community.
The game could’ve definitely benefitted from a “less is more” approach here, where maps had the design-intent/capability of supporting a full suite of game modes, like H2 and H3. You could play anything on any map… there was much more variety and thus, more VALUE provided to the player, by way of quality, diverse and completely original playspaces and experiences.
If H6 aims to do this once again, the game will be much better for it! 343 just needs to refine the design and allotment of efforts and resources to make it happen, and execute.
Recently publicized issues with heavy aim or laggy/slow servers aside, the general aiming and gameplay mechanics of H5 usually feel really good. Crisp, precise aim, nice feel to the precision weapons, appropriate amounts of auto-aim and bullet mag, good TTK. It’s my fav Halo multiplayer since CE.
The map variety and visual effects tho… ugh.
I hope 343 doesn’t make drastic changes to the engine mechanics for H6, rather focus on some fixes/tweaks to the engine, split screen, and much more visually appealing maps with interesting gameplay that fit H5 mechanics and lead to interesting metas. How were the Titanfall 1 maps SO much better looking that H5, 2+ years before H5 came out?
A really great post. I think almost all of us can point to numerous flaws and frustrations that we have with Halo 5. However, at the end of day, Halo does have a great community and I still thoroughly enjoy playing this game.
Fathom plays really well, especially for CTF. - Coliseum also plays very nicely (CTF and slayer) and highlights some of the verticality in H5. - Truth is a great remake (although only partial credit there… it’s a remake) - Regret plays pretty well too (but it’s a remake, and looks awful…) - Plaza and rig play pretty well… at least for strongholds.
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> - Fathom plays really well, especially for CTF. - Coliseum also plays very nicely (CTF and slayer) and highlights some of the verticality in H5. - Truth is a great remake (although only partial credit there… it’s a remake) - Regret plays pretty well too (but it’s a remake, and looks awful…) - Plaza and rig play pretty well… at least for strongholds.
I agree that these maps play well, for the most part… Notice that these are all disc maps though. There aren’t many notable DLC maps in the game… not good when previous games had excellent and diverse DLC environments.
343 needs to keep the high standard of quality and consistent design. The remix system and fractured nature of the MP modes of H5 contributed to breaking that consistency. Content was watered-down and wasn’t produced as it used to be, as a result… mainly so that every segregated experience could have its own content as well.
Everyone gets a watered-down piece of the pie, no matter your game mode preference…
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> I agree that these maps play well, for the most part… Notice that these are all disc maps though. There aren’t many notable DLC maps in the game… not good when previous games had excellent and diverse DLC environments.
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> 343 needs to keep the high standard of quality and consistent design. The remix system and fractured nature of the MP modes of H5 contributed to breaking that consistency. Content was watered-down and wasn’t produced as it used to be, as a result… mainly so that every segregated experience could have its own content as well.
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> Everyone gets a watered-down piece of the pie, no matter your game mode preference…
I do love warzone, too. REQs are super fun in a casual game-mode. It’s even fun to tryhard in warzone, with a team of 6. But yes, WZ has some major issues, including excessive snowballing / game balance issues, horrible REQ station UI and no ability to create custom loadouts at different REQ levels, and repetitive map design that gives an absurd advantage to whoever caps the middle base and leads to snowballing. Did I mention how ugly the Warzone maps are? I wish i could play Warzone on maps that look like Lagoon or Boneyard…
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> Recently publicized issues with heavy aim or laggy/slow servers aside, the general aiming and gameplay mechanics of H5 usually feel really good. Crisp, precise aim, nice feel to the precision weapons, appropriate amounts of auto-aim and bullet mag, good TTK. It’s my fav Halo multiplayer since CE.
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> The map variety and visual effects tho… ugh.
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> I hope 343 doesn’t make drastic changes to the engine mechanics for H6, rather focus on some fixes/tweaks to the engine, split screen, and much more visually appealing maps with interesting gameplay that fit H5 mechanics and lead to interesting metas. How were the Titanfall 1 maps SO much better looking that H5, 2+ years before H5 came out?
Agreed. In every Halo I have had a favorite map, even in CoD, when it wasn’t trash.
Now I don’t even have a favorite map, not because I can’t decide, but because they are crap.
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> > I agree that these maps play well, for the most part… Notice that these are all disc maps though. There aren’t many notable DLC maps in the game… not good when previous games had excellent and diverse DLC environments.
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> > 343 needs to keep the high standard of quality and consistent design. The remix system and fractured nature of the MP modes of H5 contributed to breaking that consistency. Content was watered-down and wasn’t produced as it used to be, as a result… mainly so that every segregated experience could have its own content as well.
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> I do love warzone, too. REQs are super fun in a casual game-mode. It’s even fun to tryhard in warzone, with a team of 6. But yes, WZ has some major issues, including excessive snowballing / game balance issues, horrible REQ station UI and no ability to create custom loadouts at different REQ levels, and repetitive map design that gives an absurd advantage to whoever caps the middle base and leads to snowballing.
I think WZ is a good idea, just poorly designed and implemented. Just think… if 343 hadn’t designed all of these separate MP components and maps dedicated to one experience, and effectively designed maps to accommodate every mode, that’s a savings on resources and effort, while maximizing the creative integrity/quality, versatility, and value of those particular playspaces.
Then maybe they could’ve had the resources to dedicate to polishing up those UI and presentation issues. And the maps could be played in BTB, which adds value for the more traditional fans/gameplay… and maybe portions of the map could even be Forged and closed off, and that map could be morphed into an Arena map.
IMO, that’s really how 343 can maximize the value and time spent on the game and really polishing it up.
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> > > > - Fathom plays really well, especially for CTF. - Coliseum also plays very nicely (CTF and slayer) and highlights some of the verticality in H5. - Truth is a great remake (although only partial credit there… it’s a remake) - Regret plays pretty well too (but it’s a remake, and looks awful…) - Plaza and rig play pretty well… at least for strongholds.
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I’ve got thousands of WZ games played and it STILL takes me upwards of 20 seconds sometimes to find and equip the damn power weapon I want… so painful. Let alone selecting my loadouts and armor mods!
[My teammate]: “Uh, dude we need help defending fortress, like right now…!”
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[My teammate]: “Never mind. We lost it…”
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> > > > Then maybe they could’ve had the resources to dedicate to polishing up those [warzone] UI and presentation issues.
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> I’ve got thousands of WZ games played and it STILL takes me upwards of 20 seconds sometimes to find and equip the damn power weapon I want… so painful. Let alone selecting my loadouts and armor mods!
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I feel your pain man… half the time I play WZ, actually more than half, I forget that I can even call in vehicles.
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> Truth be told though, as long as I have a BR and a Sniper, or something like The Answer, I’m happy…
I really hope you are kidding because halo 5 is the worst halo in the series and halo 4 is the second. Go to youtube and look up a guy named the act man and another guy named favyn, they will enlighten you.
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> I really hope you are kidding because halo 5 is the worst halo in the series and halo 4 is the second. Go to youtube and look up a guy named the act man and another guy named favyn, they will enlighten you.
Dude it’s called an “opinion”.
Also, how come I’m feeling the guys who follow on Act Man & Favyn act like there some kind of cult. I’m not saying those guys are “haters”. They all have the same voice as we do. It’s just how some of the guys (who are loudest) agree with them seem to mindlessly agree with them and flame others who disagree.
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> > I really hope you are kidding because halo 5 is the worst halo in the series and halo 4 is the second. Go to youtube and look up a guy named the act man and another guy named favyn, they will enlighten you.
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> Dude it’s called an “opinion”.
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> Also, how come I’m feeling the guys who follow on Act Man & Favyn act like there some kind of cult. I’m not saying those guys are “haters”. They all have the same voice as we do. It’s just how some of the guys (who are loudest) agree with them seem to mindlessly agree with them and flame others who disagree.
Well I probably should have said " I think " because I made it seem like I was trying to state a fact, but I understand that people have different views on halo and I respect that. However, halo 5 does have the least sales and players of a halo game, so it is kind of the worst halo game in that sense. Also, halo 5 is nothing like the trilogy and doesn’t play like them either, so it would make sense to say that most people don’t enjoy halo 5 because the amount of new players that came to halo at 4/5 is nothing close to the amount of fans of the original trilogy. With that in mind, I can almost guarantee that most fans of the original trilogy don’t enjoy the new games because 343 managed to rip out the heart and soul with halo by taking away it’s core mechanics. Besides that, have you ever even watched all of the act man and favyn’s videos? A lot of people agree with them because they make intelligent arguments that adress all the possible counterclaims and debunk them. If you ever watched their videos you will see what I mean. The act man interviewed the developer of halo ce’s multiplayer and even he doesn’t agree with the path halo is going down now. I think you shouldn’t generalize a whole group of people just because the bad actions of a few. Halo is obviously declining and what 343 has been trying to do cleary isn’t working. I think it’s about time halo went back to its roots and reclaimed its true identity.
I take back what I say about the community lol. I couldn’t even post something positive without a ton of people feeling the need to voice their negative opinions and nitpicking. Well, it wouldn’t be halo waypoint forums without negative folk! Wish I could actually post something and just talk with people who actually enjoy the game. Good job guys lol
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> Well I probably should have said " I think " because I made it seem like I was trying to state a fact, but I understand that people have different views on halo and I respect that.
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> However, halo 5 does have the least sales and players of a halo game, so it is kind of the worst halo game in that sense. Also, halo 5 is nothing like the trilogy and doesn’t play like them either, so it would make sense to say that most people don’t enjoy halo 5 because the amount of new players that came to halo at 4/5 is nothing close to the amount of fans of the original trilogy. With that in mind, I can almost guarantee that most fans of the original trilogy don’t enjoy the new games because 343 managed to rip out the heart and soul with halo by taking away it’s core mechanics. Besides that, have you ever even watched all of the act man and favyn’s videos?
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> A lot of people agree with them because they make intelligent arguments that adress all the possible counterclaims and debunk them. If you ever watched their videos you will see what I mean. The act man interviewed the developer of halo ce’s multiplayer and even he doesn’t agree with the path halo is going down now.
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> I think you shouldn’t generalize a whole group of people just because the bad actions of a few. Halo is obviously declining and what 343 has been trying to do cleary isn’t working. I think it’s about time halo went back to its roots and reclaimed its true identity.
Okay understood.
TBH IMO sales does not always reflect sales. You could find underrated gems (games) that are very good in quality yet have low sales. Saying Halo 5 doesn’t play like the originals is like me saying Halo Reach is widely hated by the community because it plays nothing like original trilogy. Also, you do know Halo 2 took a drastic turn in gameplay from CE and in fact there’s a site back then dedicated to hating on Halo 2 because of the change in gameplay from Halo CE and that’s me including the looks of those games.
Sure they made good responses and cover the possible counter arguments but have you ever think of those videos using emotions as a tool to get people into agreeing with them. That’s what I’m getting from those videos including the ones that like Halo 5. Yet, yet again you can say that all “argutive” situations use this tactic in their favour but that’s what I’m getting from those videos instead of trying to stay in the middle as much as they can.
If you read my statement a little more, I said that some of the guys who agree with them mindless and flame others who disagree are the loudest that gives me impression their followers look like a cult.
Halo’s identity is heavily subjected to each of their own. That’s like me saying 7 years ago lost its identity because of the change in gameplay or even earlier back at 2004.
Like you say, it’s a opinion so I’ll leave you be and I’m okay with not liking the current Halo. So anyway, have a nice day here in the forums!
